I have posted stats as well as real world experiences. These are the types of things I like to research before making a major purchase. The reason for product reviews are to help a consumer from buying a product that can be a problem. For me, I don't need personal real world experiences with a product to decide it's not a fit. No one does. I'm certain there are products you haven't owned that you have opinions on. Every does. The reason for this is we can take our real experiences and use these to decide. So research and our past experiences are often a major part of buying expensive items.
Yes, but you seem to discount legitimate sources that dispute your narrative - whenever I or anyone else posts source data that disputes your own preconceived notions - you either don't respond at all and seemingly ignore those valid sources - or resort to using anecdotal responses in an attempt to continue to promote your own narrative.
In the 26.5 K miles you have put on your Tesla, you have likely had to rotate your 4-5 times and you are likely on your second or third set of tires.
And yet I posted previously that we have
never rotated the tires on our MY LR and wear shows that we will replace these tires around 40-45k miles - with a tire that has a 45k mile treadwear warranty. We are seeing even wear due to 50/50 weight distribution and not driving the vehicle in a manner that accelerates tire wear. So my anecdotal experience directly disputes your claims. How do you explain this since it doesn't fit with your narrative?
Some reasons that I'm not buying a Tesla.
Tesla has 192 service facilities in the USA, some of which are mobile, compared to about 250,000 major auto repair facilities in the USA. When I travel by car I like knowing that I can get my car repaired almost every where I go. Parts and labor are not an issue.
As long as the owner has mobile service access, or has a Tesla SC within a reasonable distance, I don't see an issue really. Our Tesla SC is about 20 minutes from our house. I'd imagine folks who live in more remote areas where Tesla has no service center or mobile service access, this would be something to take into account.
I don't like the slight inconvenience of charging a car. It seems like another pita.
Yeah, that 5-10 seconds to plug in when you get home is killer for sure. My wife wakes up to a "full tank" every morning. Much easier than having to visit a gas station once a week really.
I'm not wanting to spend my time looking for a charging station and then spending up to an hour to charge.
As I've said - there's no "looking for a charging station" at least in a Tesla. You follow the navigation directions, plug in when you get there, literally just back into the parking space and plug in the charger, boom, done. The average charging session when we are on long distance trips is 15-20 minutes. By the time we take bathroom breaks and grab a coffee and/or a snack, the car is done charging and ready to go. And this is for the 5-10% of the time when using the vehicle for road trips as opposed to never having to do this for 90-95% of daily driving when you wake up to a full tank every morning - like magic almost.
Tech has a way of evolving. Just like computers, which is what an EV kind of is tech wise, these items have a way of going obsolete months after you purchase them. I remember buying our first Pentium CPU which was faster than our quad dx486 only to have a new model show up by the end of the year that was needed to run the new software we didn't have. Another example are smart phones. You can have the newest tech in your Tesla but next year it will some other tech that makes your tech undesirable to others which will affect resale prices.
Even the oldest Tesla vehicles can run the current v12 OS and FSD software v12.5.3. The first M3s that had HW2 and HW2.5 were able to upgrade to HW3 a few years ago for FSD - if desired - for a small upgrade fee. If a hardware/chip/camera upgrade is required at some point to run the FSD software or the updated OS software, Tesla will offer upgrade paths for those interested. I cannot speak to other BEVs with regard to this topic though.
Tesla sales are down 7% this year. Sales are expected to decline because of completion and no new models. Another factor will be the purchasing power of the consumer which is currently being affected by inflation. When Tesla introduces a new model, they will need to lower prices to create sales. This places downward pressure on the resale value of Tesla vehicles. A person is better off buying a used Toyota, imo.
And yet the Tesla MY is about to overtake the Toyota RAV4 this year to become the best selling vehicle in the US for 2024. New models are being announced on 10/10/2024 - the same day as the scheduled Robotaxi debut when Tesla is debuting the first driverless vehicle that doesn't require geofencing.
Even though some of the posters here claim EV fires are not a problem, they actually are. These types of fires are hard to put out. Yes, ice vehicles do catch on fire but it doesn't require waiting a day for the chemicals to fully burn out as it often does with an EV fire.
No argument here.
EV's are not as green as people think. The carbon foot print is about the same as an ice vehicle driving 50,000 miles. Even so, an EV will still contribute to particulates because of the regenerative braking , heavier weights and excessive acceleration causing tire and brake wear. The particulates from tires wear on an EV, per half ton of one of battery weight, is 400 times greater than exhaust emissions from a similarly sized ice vehicle.
The newer EV tires resolve this issue - they have wear characteristics similar to existing ICE tires. This is what is installed on our 2023 MY LR - Goodyear OEM EV tires. That's why we aren't seeing accelerated wear - in other words - this problem is already resolving having been solved by the market.
Ev's could cause the collapse of the American Automobile industry. It's a real concern. That's about 10 million decent paying jobs. Each one of these jobs supports or create an addition 10 + jobs. If this industry goes away so does up to 100 million jobs. When transitioning to ev's, the USA will also be supporting the PRC because most of the materials and parts come from China often to be assembled in tarriff friendly countries.
Bill
The last item is a weak argument IMHO. Creative disruption is part of our economic engine, and a critical part of it at that. Industries come and go over time, trying to delay progress is a fool's errand IME. And newsflash, Tesla is a US company. Rivian and Lucid are growing as well. Who knows, 10 years out the new "big three" might be Tesla, Rivian and Lucid. That might sound crazy today, but 10 years is a long time in this day and age. Tesla will almost definitively displace a subset of the big three over time. If that comes to be, then so be it. No company is too big to fail, and bailing out any company always, and I mean always, produces moral hazard, in spades. What is it Lee Iococa said? Lead, follow, or get out of the way. Ford and GM are trying to follow, but sooner or later it just might become time to get out of the way - because the reality is - Tesla is the clear leader in this space and has been since the outset and formation of the BEV marketplace.
Personally I think Ford and GM have a chance of surviving, as they are at least attempting to make this transition, though they are slowing things down because of the unexpected complexities of modernizing from a legacy manufacturing company to a SDV type company. Only time will tell if they can successfully make this transition. I think Stellantis is a dead man walking in comparison - they are way behind in this transition - though Jeep and RAM are supposed to be introducing their BEV models later this year on into 2025 - so let's see what they bring to market - though they are making the same mistakes that Ford and GM are making - trying to bring the same old boring vehicle designs just BEV powered as opposed to ICE powered - which IMHO is not a recipe for success long term - and is the reason why the big three BEVs are not doing well in the marketplace when compared to true SDVs like Tesla is bringing to market.
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