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Eventually we'll run out if we use oil / gas / coal faster than it's produced geologically. I don't think that's anytime soon, and I generally expect we'll have mostly migrated to something else or have off planet robot mines or something.

Many places are protected from oil exploration that have huge reserves. Given that most of the world is under water, most of the reserves would be under water too. I'm thinking they will find a cheaper source of energy is the reason we will turn away from hydrocarbons for fuel. It wouldn't surprise me if it was electrical plasma tech.

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I didn’t read all 14 pages of this thread but wanted to share my experience.

In 2021 I bought a very cheap, 4 year old used Kia Soul EV. It looks like any other Soul but is all electric. Official range is 93 miles. I drive it every day and charge it off peak at night using a regular 110 outlet. Just like plugging in a large toaster. Where I live, off peak charging is less than 7 cents KWH. I’ve driven almost 30K miles with practically zero maintenance. With my 7 year old EV, I have seen essentially zero battery degradation. In the summer, I am well over 100 miles on the range. In the cold winter months, I am at a range of about 85 miles. I couldn’t have picked a better used vehicle. In my opinion, this is where EVs shine - a small city commuter.

The manufacturers really screwed up by going all in with large expensive EVs. The next wave will be affordable small EVs. Seeing that they will be developed as true EVs with the latest technology, they are guaranteed to be immensely better than my Kia Soul EV, which to me already hits the spot.

YMMV
Thanks for sharing an actual experience in the use of EV.
Maybe, the auto makers should have started small with the evolution of EV in the USA. IMO.
 

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While we are on testimonials, our 2018 Honda Clarity Plug-In Hybrid will be in service 6 years before long. It has around 65,000 miles. We charge at home at night on 110v household current. When we take road trips, we switch it over to hybrid mode (default mode on start-up is EV) and save the electrons for city driving. I gave a retail charging station one try when we first got the car, but it's 17 kWh battery just doesn't take enough electrons to make it worth the hassle and cost. We get enough for a full battery after a max of 10 hours on 110v. It's hard to see much battery degradation, as when new, the advertised EV range was 47 miles. When I turned it on this morning to take the dog to her grooming appt, range was 50.2 miles. In the depth of our Idaho Winters, I've seen range as low as 33 or 34 miles, but when that is calculated, the climate control is taken into consideration, so both cold and heat will affect range. The computer says that overall, since new, we've averaged about 64 mpg of regular gas. The state assesses us $75 in 'hybrid road use' tax per year.

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The original best selling EV was the Tesla S model
People bought it because it accelerated faster, had a smoother ride, handled better, and was just cooler than any other 100k plus car available
The cool people had to have one
It started the EV trend
 

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While we are on testimonials, our 2018 Honda Clarity Plug-In Hybrid will be in service 6 years before long. It has around 65,000 miles. We charge at home at night on 110v household current. When we take road trips, we switch it over to hybrid mode and save the electrons for city driving. I gave a retail charging station one try when we first got the car, but it's 17 kWh battery just doesn't take enough electrons to make it worth the hassle and cost. We get enough for a full battery after a max of 10 hours on 110v. It's hard to see much battery degradation, as when new, the advertised EV range was 47 miles. When I turned it on this morning to take the dog to her grooming appt, range was 50.2 miles. In the depth of our Idaho Winters, I've seen range as low as 33 or 34 miles, but when that is calculated, the climate control is taken into consideration, so both cold and heat will affect range. The computer says that overall, since new, we've averaged about 64 mpg of regular gas. The state assesses us $75 in 'hybrid road use' tax per year.

Jim


I get 45 mpg on my Honda CRV hybrid
(city driving)

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While we are on testimonials, our 2018 Honda Clarity Plug-In Hybrid will be in service 6 years before long. It has around 65,000 miles. We charge at home at night on 110v household current. When we take road trips, we switch it over to hybrid mode and save the electrons for city driving. I gave a retail charging station one try when we first got the car, but it's 17 kWh battery just doesn't take enough electrons to make it worth the hassle and cost. We get enough for a full battery after a max of 10 hours on 110v. It's hard to see much battery degradation, as when new, the advertised EV range was 47 miles. When I turned it on this morning to take the dog to her grooming appt, range was 50.2 miles. In the depth of our Idaho Winters, I've seen range as low as 33 or 34 miles, but when that is calculated, the climate control is taken into consideration, so both cold and heat will affect range. The computer says that overall, since new, we've averaged about 64 mpg of regular gas. The state assesses us $75 in 'hybrid road use' tax per year.

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Wow! That must be one strong EV battery to survive the cold temperatures / weather in Idaho. IMHO
 

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Wow! That must be one strong EV battery to survive the cold temperatures / weather in Idaho. IMHO
And the great thing is that climate control & seat heaters are electric, so it's blowing warm (or a/c) within seconds of turning it on.
 

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I didn’t read all 14 pages of this thread but wanted to share my experience.

In 2021 I bought a very cheap, 4 year old used Kia Soul EV. It looks like any other Soul but is all electric. Official range is 93 miles. I drive it every day and charge it off peak at night using a regular 110 outlet. Just like plugging in a large toaster. Where I live, off peak charging is less than 7 cents KWH. I’ve driven almost 30K miles with practically zero maintenance. With my 7 year old EV, I have seen essentially zero battery degradation. In the summer, I am well over 100 miles on the range. In the cold winter months, I am at a range of about 85 miles. I couldn’t have picked a better used vehicle. In my opinion, this is where EVs shine - a small city commuter.

The manufacturers really screwed up by going all in with large expensive EVs. The next wave will be affordable small EVs. Seeing that they will be developed as true EVs with the latest technology, they are guaranteed to be immensely better than my Kia Soul EV, which to me already hits the spot.

YMMV
YMMV indeed. The issue here is that in many places in the U.S. - including the 4th largest city where I live - 85 miles can be driven running errands, going to eat, etc. And many of us occasionally drive a car to a location 4 hours or so away. Having to stop to recharge for 30 minutes on a 3.5-4 hour drive is a non-starter, pun NOT intended.
EV's are toys, and if that works for you, fine. I still like the throaty roar of the exhaust, although some EV's may have better 0-60 times!
And like you, I didn't read all the pages before this one, but surely there have been plenty of comments pointing out that EV's - and the alternative energy infrastructure - is far from "clean", including particulate pollutions from the tires, and the very dirty (and local environmental and labor issues) extraction of those materials in countries not subject to our EPA or other regulatory edicts. The hypocrisy, bad science and economics being used to justify a forced energy transition is and will harm our lives and the planet in ways we don't even see yet. At least we know how to manage the use of hydrocarbons and their extraction.

Some good (and fun) comments early on here about future energy, and we are all sure those inventions and solutions will come to pass, but I just don't see Blade Runner anytime soon, or I Robot. In the meantime, let's let the market work and not have our government try and - as usual, very badly, regardless of political party - pick winners and losers. All that does is cost us way more money than it should and spread the wealth around to interested parties instead of successful solutions. Technological change often happens very quickly with unforeseen advances; forcing it results instead in waste and failure.
 

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YMMV indeed. The issue here is that in many places in the U.S. - including the 4th largest city where I live - 85 miles can be driven running errands, going to eat, etc. And many of us occasionally drive a car to a location 4 hours or so away. Having to stop to recharge for 30 minutes on a 3.5-4 hour drive is a non-starter, pun NOT intended.
EV's are toys, and if that works for you, fine. I still like the throaty roar of the exhaust, although some EV's may have better 0-60 times!
And like you, I didn't read all the pages before this one, but surely there have been plenty of comments pointing out that EV's - and the alternative energy infrastructure - is far from "clean", including particulate pollutions from the tires, and the very dirty (and local environmental and labor issues) extraction of those materials in countries not subject to our EPA or other regulatory edicts. The hypocrisy, bad science and economics being used to justify a forced energy transition is and will harm our lives and the planet in ways we don't even see yet. At least we know how to manage the use of hydrocarbons and their extraction.

Some good (and fun) comments early on here about future energy, and we are all sure those inventions and solutions will come to pass, but I just don't see Blade Runner anytime soon, or I Robot. In the meantime, let's let the market work and not have our government try and - as usual, very badly, regardless of political party - pick winners and losers. All that does is cost us way more money than it should and spread the wealth around to interested parties instead of successful solutions. Technological change often happens very quickly with unforeseen advances; forcing it results instead in waste and failure.


This thread exists because of ... politics !!!

Some people say they like the "throaty roar of the exhaust" but will never admit that the federal government is subsidizing the oil industry (hint: depletion allowance)

And that oil and coal and gas will eventually disappear

What's going to happen when the oil wells runs dry?


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Again, oil is an insignificant source of electricity.
 

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This thread exists because of ... politics !!!

Some people say they like the "throaty roar of the exhaust" but will never admit that the federal government is subsidizing the oil industry (hint: depletion allowance)

And that oil and coal and gas will eventually disappear

What's going to happen when the oil wells runs dry?


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What is up with you and these fonts?

They have been saying we are running out of oil for years, yet we never do and reserves constantly expand as new ones are found.
 

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This thread exists because of ... politics !!!

Some people say they like the "throaty roar of the exhaust" but will never admit that the federal government is subsidizing the oil industry (hint: depletion allowance)

And that oil and coal and gas will eventually disappear

What's going to happen when the oil wells runs dry?


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When will we run out of nickel, cobalt and lithium?
 

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This thread exists because of ... politics !!!

Some people say they like the "throaty roar of the exhaust" but will never admit that the federal government is subsidizing the oil industry (hint: depletion allowance)

And that oil and coal and gas will eventually disappear

What's going to happen when the oil wells runs dry?


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The question is when will we run out of natural gas?
 

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But hybrid sales are increasing

Why ???


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Because they are gas powered cars that get great mileage. Easy to fillup with gas. No need to wait to charge batteries.

Also about rare earth elements - this is an older article. I believe that the largest deposit of rare earth elements was discovered in the US this year.
 

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Because they are gas powered cars that get great mileage. Easy to fillup with gas. No need to wait to charge batteries.

Also about rare earth elements - this is an older article. I believe that the largest deposit of rare earth elements was discovered in the US this year.



yes

Maybe something will happen when the oil wells run dry

What could it be?
What could it be?


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Petroleum also has a hidden cost:

Texas oil wells are suddenly erupting with water. No one knows why​


Water is mysteriously bursting from yet another West Texas oil well, continuing a troubling trend.

Dunlap suspects it may be related to the injection of fracking wastewater. West Texas oil producers pump millions of gallons of so-called produced water—laced with chemical lubricants and numerous hazardous compounds such as arsenic, bromide, strontium, mercury, barium, and organic compounds, particularly benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and xylenes—underground every day for disposal, often into old oil and gas wells.​
...​
“There’s been such an increase in disposal of produced water over the past decade, there’s an overwhelming amount of water being disposed,” said Dominic DiGiulio, an environmental consultant and geoscientist who has worked for 30 years at the Environmental Protection Agency. “That pressure has to go somewhere. So if there’s a well penetration then it’s going to move freely up that well penetration.”​
 

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Fisker Is Dead​

Henrik Fisker’s car company filed for bankruptcy late Monday, just three months after pausing production on its all-electric SUV.

Rivian and Lucid Are Toast​

 

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Fisker Is Dead​

Henrik Fisker’s car company filed for bankruptcy late Monday, just three months after pausing production on its all-electric SUV.

Rivian and Lucid Are Toast​

I see quite a few Rivians by me. Tons of Teslas - even a couple of Tesla stainless steel pickups.
 

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Do you have an EV? I don't have either and ICE or an EV. Riding my bike through the rain in 35 degrees temperatures to work in Seattle works for me. I'm cheap.

IME the vast majority of skeptics have never even ridden in a Tesla or other recently produced BEV, yet they are very vocal about that which they have zero direct experience using and living with on a day to day basis. Most of their talking points are spoon fed to them from skeptical mass media outfits to boot.


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