Wyndham limiting access by non-owners during most sought-after dates/locations

[chapjim]

So, they actually accepted the full 7 days into EH? Contract all executed? Even though 2 days are during Blackout? Wrong on their part, IMHO, unless they plan on actually 'renting' during the Blackout dates, which I also think is wrong on their part.

Take it easy! None of those things has happened. Read the posting again.

 

[Cyrus24]

Take it easy! None of those things has happened. Read the posting again.

Got it. You submitted the week but they have not yet accepted it. My bad. Anxious to hear about the acceptance/rejection.

 

[chapjim]

Got it. You submitted the week but they have not yet accepted it. My bad. Anxious to hear about the acceptance/rejection.

Me, too! It kind of defines what my wife and I do this winter. We can either do two weeks at Quarter House in New Orleans ending January 7th or the two weeks at Royal Vista starting January 8th. Can't really do both. Gotta go home from time to time to pick up the mail!

 

[Zekes]

I wonder if any Owners that rented multiple reservations and only used EH recieved the Wyndham letter that identified them as mega renters?

No especially now that Wyndham closed the loophole. It was also the reason I always said it was cheaper to rent then buy. The enforcement of resale points not being used with VIP benefits will more then likely force guys like me to buy more points. A huge win for owners booking for personal use but also for Wyndham to sell some of the certified exit inventory they are taking back by the boat load now.

I think buying 3rd party and paying with full points will be cheaper than buying developer and paying half points (or so) for a family reservation. Also W is telling my clients in Sales meetings that renting cheaply will soon no longer be possible; therefore they should buy, buy, buy.

 

[Ty1on]

I think buying 3rd party and paying with full points will be cheaper than buying developer and paying half points (or so) for a family reservation. Also W is telling my clients in Sales meetings that renting cheaply will soon no longer be possible; therefore they should buy, buy, buy.

Salesmen are gonna say whatever they have to say to get you to sign that contract. If you own Grand Desert, you have to have CWA instead. If you own CWA, you have to have Grand Desert instead. They've been saying the ability to rent cheaply will go away for many years.

 

[bnoble]

I think buying 3rd party and paying with full points will be cheaper than buying developer and paying half points (or so) for a family reservation.

That seems likely. What's telesales going for these days, $165/K? $135? I've lost track.

Even at $135, suppose you plan to amortize that over 20 years, assuming a value of zero at disposal, and 3% cost-of-capital. That's comes out to $9/K/year. It's pretty easy to beat that--even CWA does. CWA is currently around $7.50. If it goes up 5% per year, the VIP account won't pay off for five years. That's a long-ish horizon for something that is a moving target---and it assumes every single reservation is going to be half points.

At $165, it's $11/K/year, and a crossover point w/CWA of 8 years.

You can play with both CoC and inflation and get different numbers, but still. You might get a few $/K when you unload the developer purchase, but the same would be true if it was resale, so that's a wash.

 

[dgalati]

That seems likely. What's telesales going for these days, $165/K? $135? I've lost track.

Even at $135, suppose you plan to amortize that over 20 years, assuming a value of zero at disposal, and 3% cost-of-capital. That's comes out to $9/K/year. It's pretty easy to beat that--even CWA does. CWA is currently around $7.50. If it goes up 5% per year, the VIP account won't pay off for five years. That's a long-ish horizon for something that is a moving target---and it assumes every single reservation is going to be half points.

At $165, it's $11/K/year, and a crossover point w/CWA of 8 years.

You can play with both CoC and inflation and get different numbers, but still. You might get a few $/K when you unload the developer purchase, but the same would be true if it was resale, so that's a wash.

I know its all about dollars and cents to me also but your forgetting about the free upgrades and 50%-60% discounts in the 60 day discount window along with someones perceived value.

 

[chapjim]

NOW WE KNOW! Got this email today:

Web 60/40 V9.0 Agreement Exchange Canceled


Reason: Will not approve this document: Thank you for choosing Extra Holidays. Club Wyndham is now prioritizing owner reservations by limiting access to non-owners, including guest reservations at this resort during specified holidays and peak travel times. Please call us or visit www.extraholidays.com/owner-rentals for assistance.

Document Title: Web 60/40 V9.0
Status: Canceled
Parties:
James T. Chapman ([me]@yahoo.com)
Owner Rentals (Extra Holidays)
Richard F (Extra Holidays)
Owner Rentals (Extra Holidays) has terminated the agreement exchange for Web 60/40 V9.0. All parties who have participated in the transaction have been notified accordingly, and the document has been deleted from all parties' Adobe Sign accounts.

 

[WyndhamBarter]

pick up the mail!

Enjoy your owner-occupied two weeks at Royal Vista! (If that's what you choose now.)

And thanks for posting this experiment for us all to read!

 

[troy12n]

Well, so much for that conspiracy theory... now can we get back to seeing this for what it is? Wyndham trying to help owners make bookings, and not help people with too much time on their hands play internet slumlord...

 

[Eric B]

Glad to see they’re following the prioritization!

 

[chapjim]

Well, so much for that conspiracy theory... now can we get back to seeing this for what it is? Wyndham trying to help owners make bookings, and not help people with too much time on their hands play internet slumlord...

You sound more like Dominic every post.

 

[55plus]

I guess some didn't get the memo about Glacier Canyon during Labor Day:

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Glacier Canyon @ the Wilderness 2021 dates - vacation rentals

2021 Dates: Call for open dates on Sunday-Thursday. Sorry no weekends available. 2021 dates: Aug 15-18 1 bd. 3 nights $559. total cost Sep 2-5 1bd 3 nights $725 total cost ENJOY THE WATERPARK...

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Wyndham at the Wilderness Now- next 60 days - vacation rentals

August 29-31 3 days 2 nights in a 2 bedroom deluxe $350 a night $700 total September 1-4 4 days 3 nights in a 2 bedroom deluxe $700 a night $2100 total September 3-6 4 days 3 nights in a 3 bedroom...

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Glacier Canyon @ the Wilderness 2021 dates - vacation rentals

2021 Dates: Call for open dates on Sunday-Thursday. Sorry no weekends available. 2021 dates: Aug 15-18 1 bd. 3 nights $559. total cost Sep 2-5 1bd 3 nights $725 total cost ENJOY THE WATERPARK...

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[troy12n]

People on Facebook are complaining about some scheduled "Party Weekends" at BC that Wyndham is doing in late September. Don't know how this plays into things.

 

[hnybee09]

This is all making my head hurt lol. I have a trip planned for September to Bonnet Creek, since I have never been and am a new Wyndham owner (I just got my first contract in March 2021) jumped on Tripadvisor to look at what people say and see pictures of the resort. (Also wanted to see if I could find more information on the paid park shuttle I had called the resort and they told me $5pp per day, and I see $8pp per day elsewhere LOL). There are numerous reviews of the resort from people who had their reservations canceled either a few days before their trip or in a couple cases while they were traveling to the destination. My trip is weird and I don't think I have to worry but you never know....We are staying from Friday to the following Saturday, when we arrive the first 2 nights I booked with my points Fri/Sat, the next 6 nights we are staying on a guest reservation from my brother that was a rescheduled family trip from April 2020 and was rebooked in October 2020. My brother and his family are not traveling with us they had rescheduled to go earlier than we could.

 

[Eric B]

People on Facebook are complaining about some scheduled "Party Weekends" at BC that Wyndham is doing in late September. Don't know how this plays into things.

Probably doesn’t. It is a good indication that they never read the offer details for that party weekend - accommodations are at the Wyndham Grand Bonnet Creek, which is the hotel. Pretty sure the owner priority doesn’t apply there even if the dates are covered.

 

[dgalati]

Well, so much for that conspiracy theory... now can we get back to seeing this for what it is? Wyndham trying to help owners make bookings, and not help people with too much time on their hands play internet slumlord...

Why so harsh? Sales sold owners up to VIP on the basis of renting and covering all maintenance fees. Try to have some compassion for the VIP owners that played the system to their advantage. Unfortunately their time of milking the system with resale points & VIP discounts/free upgrades is over. Hopefully the end result is more availability for owners to book for personal use.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Why so harsh? Sales sold owners up to VIP on the basis of renting and covering all maintenance fees. Try to have some compassion for the VIP owners that played the system to their advantage. Unfortunately their time of milking the system with resale points & VIP discounts/free upgrades is over. Hopefully the end result is more availability for owners to book for personal use.

If you book within 60 days, you are always still going to be in competition for owners who are VIP to get inventory for personal use. This is still going to be an issue within 60 days. So if you cannot plan further out, maybe timeshare isn't for you. I know that inventory dwindles in every single system in that short window. And that is why people pay big money to get out of their timeshares. They do not plan ahead.

You see people complain that they cannot use their timeshare when they want, no matter what system it is. With our Hono Koa weeks, we have to call exactly a year out, the second the phones open for reservations. If we get put on hold, we know we missed our opportunity for our date at exactly 365 days ahead. Rick and I both call, and February dates are gone within seconds for our unit type. We usually have to call back the next week to try again, and sometimes it's another week to try again. I see inventory sitting online for April-May, all summer, fall, etc., for our unit type at Hono Koa. Apparently people are not paying at all or are unhappy that they cannot get the dates they want. It's a game to get what you want. It's a game we play to get the dates we want.

I have gotten all of my three weeks on ebay from sellers that charge owners to rid themselves of weeks. These companies suck the life out of timeshare owners instead of helping. Owner services at Soleil Management will tell you exactly how to get your whale season weeks at Hono Koa. They know the game and they share the secrets.

 

[ronparise]

La Belle Maison is completely closed for renovations until at least January 2022... and the other NOLA facility I think is just Suites and Hotel rooms, not quite the place renters want to send people

I did a lot of rentals in New Orleans, ...Avenue Plaza was my favorite.. small but full kitchens, courtyard with a pool (small but bigger than LaBelle Maison), on site parking, roof top deck, haunted house, and its right on the streetcar line. The only area where Avenue Plaza offers less than La Belle Maison is the bath...no bathtubs at Avenue Plaza and the bathrooms are 1950s small

Avenue Plaza has all studios and one bedroom units, no two bedroom units. LaBelle has a few two bedrooms, but not many

 

[ronparise]

If you try to book on the website, it shows zero availability from April through January 2022 though... it might not explicitly say that they are not taking new reservations, but they are indeed not. It's apparent they may be honoring what are already on the books. I actually tried to book there on Monday and found this out myself. I wanted to book 4th of July week actually.

I think I might be hesitant to stay there even if I had a booking during this time to be honest with you. It's going to be noisy and dirty and no amenities. But who knows, maybe lower occupancy may have benefits.

You go to New Orleans for the city, not the amenities at the resort

 

[troy12n]

LaBelle has a few two bedrooms, but not many

I don't know how many they have, but I have a 2BR 3/12-3/20/22. Both sites have paid parking, Avenue Plaza is a little cheaper because it's on-site I believe. Don't ever need a car there so it doesn't matter to me. I do wish La Belle had a pool though.

I've never seen a 2BR inside 60 days there

 

[ronparise]

I don't know how many they have, but I have a 2BR 3/12-3/20/22. Both sites have paid parking, Avenue Plaza is a little cheaper because it's on-site I believe. Don't ever need a car there so it doesn't matter to me. I do wish La Belle had a pool though.

I've never seen a 2BR inside 60 days there

I wasnt talking about the price to park when I said onsite parking is an advantage Avenue Plaza has over La Belle Maison. Its the convenience and security.. And I gotta say, I dont care that it dosent matter to you...What matters to you, (or me) is completely off topic and irrelevant. The question you raised is "does it matter to renters?"

As a result of this latest move, there are going to be a lot of "little guys" who will be enjoying a Bonnet Creek, or Colorado Christmas skiing, or other high demand vacation this year that they paid for as a Club Wyndham owner in units previously reserved for rental to yet-to-be-named non-owners.

There it is...there's the fallacy in all your arguments against renting
Club Wyndham owners, be they "little guys" or megarenters have not paid for any particular high demand reservation. If all you you are able to reserve is a unit overlooking the dumpster at a ski resort in the summer...you got what you paid for.

 

[ronparise]

Few, if any, because the affected reservations are so few, relative to the Club Wyndham universe. This restricted access program would have to be greatly, and I mean GREATLY extended (like restricting all resorts during the summer), for any renters to "tap out" of their business as a result, or any "little renter" to not rent to recover at least some of their maintenance fees.

Even then it would be little compared to the abusers who were booted out of the Club; or renters who self-eliminated out of the Club, as a result of the introduction of automatic upgrades.

"Booted out" has such a negative connotation

the fact is we were paid to go away,,,, see the difference?

 

[scootr5]

I guess some didn't get the memo about Glacier Canyon during Labor Day:

2BDR/8@WYNDHAM GLACIER CANYON SEPT.3-9 - vacation rentals

Last Summer get-away at the indoor/outdoor water parks@Wyndham Glacier Canyon 2 bedrooms,2 full baths,full kitchen,washer/dryer,fire place,Jacuzzi tub in Master Suite Comes with 8 wristbands to all...

madison.craigslist.org

Glacier Canyon @ the Wilderness 2021 dates - vacation rentals

2021 Dates: Call for open dates on Sunday-Thursday. Sorry no weekends available. 2021 dates: Aug 15-18 1 bd. 3 nights $559. total cost Sep 2-5 1bd 3 nights $725 total cost ENJOY THE WATERPARK...

madison.craigslist.org

Wyndham at the Wilderness Now- next 60 days - vacation rentals

August 29-31 3 days 2 nights in a 2 bedroom deluxe $350 a night $700 total September 1-4 4 days 3 nights in a 2 bedroom deluxe $700 a night $2100 total September 3-6 4 days 3 nights in a 3 bedroom...

madison.craigslist.org

Glacier Canyon @ the Wilderness 2021 dates - vacation rentals

2021 Dates: Call for open dates on Sunday-Thursday. Sorry no weekends available. 2021 dates: Aug 15-18 1 bd. 3 nights $559. total cost Sep 2-5 1bd 3 nights $725 total cost ENJOY THE WATERPARK...

madison.craigslist.org

Perhaps, or they were reservations made before the policy implementation, or they are using one of their two allowed GC when not travelling with the guest.

"The following resorts and peak travel time periods will have limited access by guests for reservations made after June 18, 2021:"

"You can travel with your guests to these resorts during the dates listed below and may use two guest confirmations during the restricted dates when not travelling with your guests."

 

[ronparise]

"You can travel with your guests to these resorts during the dates listed below and may use two guest confirmations during the restricted dates when not travelling with your guests."

Does this mean an owner could make 10 reservations for his various friends and family members at one of the restricted resorts at a restricted time, as long as he himself was staying at the resort.