Wyndham limiting access by non-owners during most sought-after dates/locations

[55plus]

I hope Wyndham didn't just change the rules to eliminate owner rentals so they can grab prime time reservations for Extra Holidays.

 

[wjappraise]

I hope Wyndham didn't just change the rules to eliminate owner rentals so they can grab prime time reservations for Extra Holidays.

Bingo. We have a winner! Someone who now sees the light. Or at least is beginning to see slight shadows and glimpses of light.

Just my opinion. But keep watching as the Wyndham Mafia kills off the competition for its monopoly EH.

 

[dgalati]

Bingo. We have a winner! Someone who now sees the light. Or at least is beginning to see slight shadows and glimpses of light.

Just my opinion. But keep watching as the Wyndham Mafia kills off the competition for its monopoly EH.

Its been the pattern over the last 6 years. Squeeze out the competition slowly. Unfourtunately for VIP owners that have counted on rental income to pay maintenance fees the last several months has really changed the strategy Wyndham sold them.

 

[55plus]

Its been the pattern over the last 6 years. Squeeze out the competition slowly. Unfourtunately for VIP owners that have counted on rental income to pay maintenance fees the last several months has really changed the strategy Wyndham sold them.

If an owner has a NEED to rent to others inorder to pay their maintenance fees, then they bought too many points and should off load the surplus. In my opinion one cannot have too many guns, but one can have too many points.

 

[dgalati]

I wonder if any Owners that rented multiple reservations and only used EH recieved the Wyndham letter that identified them as mega renters?

If an owner has a NEED to rent to others inorder to pay their maintenance fees, then they bought too many points and should off load the surplus. In my opinion one cannot have too many guns, but one can have too many points.

No especially now that Wyndham closed the loophole. It was also the reason I always said it was cheaper to rent then buy. The enforcement of resale points not being used with VIP benefits will more then likely force guys like me to buy more points. A huge win for owners booking for personal use but also for Wyndham to sell some of the certified exit inventory they are taking back by the boat load now.

 

[chapjim]

I hope Wyndham didn't just change the rules to eliminate owner rentals so they can grab prime time reservations for Extra Holidays.

Ding! Ding! Ding! So much for "Wyndham Cares." Cares for whom??

You know the EH Listing Agreement starts with something to the effect that listing with EH should be a last resort. But, I suspect they will happily lap up these listings. We'll see how righteous Wyndham is.

 

[Cyrus24]

I always said it was cheaper to rent then buy.

Won't be cheaper much longer, except maybe for very close friends and family. EH is an expensive way to rent and cheap discounted rentals will most likely no longer be advertised in any forum. May take a few months to work existing points out, but, it won't be long until you won't be able to say 'cheaper to rent than buy'.

 

[dgalati]

Won't be cheaper much longer, except maybe for very close friends and family. EH is an expensive way to rent and cheap discounted rentals will most likely no longer be advertised in any forum. May take a few months to work existing points out, but, it won't be long until you won't be able to say 'cheaper to rent than buy'.

Yes indeed. Wyndham has squeezed out the competition. Along the way they have created a new buyer of points they are taking back with certified exit by the boat load now!

 

[Ty1on]

If an owner has a NEED to rent to others inorder to pay their maintenance fees, then they bought too many points and should off load the surplus. In my opinion one cannot have too many guns, but one can have too many points.

But wait a minute, one of the sales tactics has been "sure you don't need all those points now, but you will when you retire. Buy another contract now before the prices increase and you can rent out your unused points to cover the maintenance fees"

 

[HitchHiker71]

You and I have different ways of asking the same question. If I'm violating the restriction, then EH shouldn't take it, right? (Edit #2: In retrospect, I'm not sure this is true and this is what @55plus is asking. Perhaps listing on EH removes the stigma of a adding a guest to a reservation in a restricted period. After all, I'm not the one doing the renting or adding a guest. I'm just listing the week, making it available. I know -- I may be splitting a hair. But, that's what we want to find out. And anyway, I'm not driving the bus, just looking for a ride.)

I'll try it out and let everyone know what happened. It's the first of two consecutive January weeks at Royal Vista. They're too good to cancel, so the alternative is to use it ourselves -- a very real possibility. I'll be retired by then.

Edit #1: I sent in the Extra Holidays Listing Agreement for a 2BR Deluxe at Royal Vista, January 8-15, 2022. The last two days infringe upon the restricted period for MLK's Birthday Weekend (Jan 13-17).

Please do try and let us know how it turns out. Obviously it goes without saying that your test case will only be valid if the dates rented cross over into a listed blackout date range.


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[chapjim]

If an owner has a NEED to rent to others inorder to pay their maintenance fees, then they bought too many points and should off load the surplus. In my opinion one cannot have too many guns, but one can have too many points.

In my opinion, one can have too many opinions, especially about what other people should do.

 

[chapjim]

Please do try and let us know how it turns out. Obviously it goes without saying that your test case will only be valid if the dates rented cross over into a listed blackout date range.


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As I said in Edit #1, the reservation runs into MLK's Birthday weekend, a restricted weekend at Royal Vista.

 

[HitchHiker71]

As I said in Edit #1, the reservation runs into MLK's Birthday weekend, a restricted weekend at Royal Vista.

Yes, but as we are all well aware, EH can rent only a portion of the submitted date range - so it’s possible EH may rent only the portion that does not fall into the blackout period - which is what we should see happen here.


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[dgalati]

Yes, but as we are all well aware, EH can rent only a portion of the submitted date range - so it’s possible EH may rent only the portion that does not fall into the blackout period - which is what we should see happen here.


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Sooner or later owners will realize the rental gig is over.

 

[Sandi Bo]

Yes, but as we are all well aware, EH can rent only a portion of the submitted date range - so it’s possible EH may rent only the portion that does not fall into the blackout period - which is what we should see happen here.


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That would super stink though, wouldn't it? Seems unethical to me if EH would take a 7 night reservation knowing at best they would be able to rent 5 of the nights.

 

[chapjim]

Yes, but as we are all well aware, EH can rent only a portion of the submitted date range - so it’s possible EH may rent only the portion that does not fall into the blackout period - which is what we should see happen here.


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We are not all well aware! Have we seen something to the effect that EH is being bound by the restrictions? I've seen a lot of speculation but nothing firm from Wyndham.

Really! If someone wants a full week and Thursday and Friday run into the MLK's Birthday weekend restriction, do we know for a fact that EH won't rent the full week?

(My week is Saturday-Saturday so I think I was wrong above when I said Friday and Saturday were the restricted nights. Should be Thursday and Friday nights.)

 

[paxsarah]

I think what we’re well aware of (and what hitchhiker was saying) is that EH doesn’t have to rent the full reservation. What’s then speculative is if they would take a reservation that includes two blackout nights and intentionally hold back those nights, only renting (or placing for rent) the allowed nights.

 

[Cyrus24]

I think what we’re well aware of (and what hitchhiker was saying) is that EH doesn’t have to rent the full reservation. What’s then speculative is if they would take a reservation that includes two blackout nights and intentionally hold back those nights, only renting (or placing for rent) the allowed nights.

It would be VERY wrong of Wyndham EH to accept the 7 days knowing that they’d only rent the 5 days. Good test just to see just how slimy the Wyndham EH group is.

 

[Eric B]

It would be VERY wrong of Wyndham EH to accept the 7 days knowing that they’d only rent the 5 days. Good test just to see just how slimy the Wyndham EH group is.

Another option would be that they are uninformed. I don't have the impression that the Wyndham organization as a whole is run all that well and avoids siloing different groups in order to avoid communication and execution issues.

 

[chapjim]

I think what we’re well aware of (and what hitchhiker was saying) is that EH doesn’t have to rent the full reservation. What’s then speculative is if they would take a reservation that includes two blackout nights and intentionally hold back those nights, only renting (or placing for rent) the allowed nights.

EH never had to rent all the nights. That has been a constant criticism of EH -- that you can give them a week and they can rent a night.

I took HitchHiker71's post to mean that EH would be precluded from renting two nights that are part of the restricted weekend, still an open question as far as I know.

 

[HitchHiker71]

I think what we’re well aware of (and what hitchhiker was saying) is that EH doesn’t have to rent the full reservation. What’s then speculative is if they would take a reservation that includes two blackout nights and intentionally hold back those nights, only renting (or placing for rent) the allowed nights.

Correct, it’s a well known fact that EH can rent only a subset of the submitted date range and often does exactly that. It’s been my number one complaint regarding the EH program whenever I’m asked for EH feedback. Since we have indications that Wyndham is honoring the same blackout periods - I would expect that the blackout dates in scope would not be rented - and therefore only a subset of the dates submitted would be rented by EH as part of this test.


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[HitchHiker71]

We are not all well aware! Have we seen something to the effect that EH is being bound by the restrictions? I've seen a lot of speculation but nothing firm from Wyndham.

Really! If someone wants a full week and Thursday and Friday run into the MLK's Birthday weekend restriction, do we know for a fact that EH won't rent the full week?

(My week is Saturday-Saturday so I think I was wrong above when I said Friday and Saturday were the restricted nights. Should be Thursday and Friday nights.)

I'm surprised that everyone is not well aware that only a portion of the submitted date range cannot be rented, since it's right in the T&Cs of the listing agreement that everyone must sign when submitting a reservation to EH for rental consideration. As @paxsarah alluded to, we have seen a number of complaints on the FB forums over time from folks who have used EH and have had only a subset of the date range rented. IF Wyndham is honoring the blackout periods - this is precisely what we should see happen with your test. If we do not see this end result - then we have reason to be concerned since what we have been told would not line up with the behavior observed.

 

[chapjim]

I'm surprised that everyone is not well aware that only a portion of the submitted date range cannot be rented, since it's right in the T&Cs of the listing agreement that everyone must sign when submitting a reservation to EH for rental consideration. As @paxsarah alluded to, we have seen a number of complaints on the FB forums over time from folks who have used EH and have had only a subset of the date range rented. IF Wyndham is honoring the blackout periods - this is precisely what we should see happen with your test. If we do not see this end result - then we have reason to be concerned since what we have been told would not line up with the behavior observed.

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Different things. We know EH does not have to rent the entire reservation. We know EH does not have to rent any of the reservation.

We don't know if EH will rent nights that are in a restricted period. The week I submitted is a pretty desirable week -- a 2BR Deluxe unit January 8-15 at Royal Vista. If EH accepts the listing and lists the entire seven nights, I would expect someone to grab it.

If EH accepts the listing and lists only five nights, the question will have been answered. And, I'll probably withdraw the listing and use the week (and the subsequent week) ourselves.

 

[Cyrus24]

Different things. We know EH does not have to rent the entire reservation. We know EH does not have to rent any of the reservation.

We don't know if EH will rent nights that are in a restricted period. The week I submitted is a pretty desirable week -- a 2BR Deluxe unit January 8-15 at Royal Vista. If EH accepts the listing and lists the entire seven nights, I would expect someone to grab it.

If EH accepts the listing and lists only five nights, the question will have been answered. And, I'll probably withdraw the listing and use the week (and the subsequent week) ourselves.

So, they actually accepted the full 7 days into EH? Contract all executed? Even though 2 days are during Blackout? Wrong on their part, IMHO, unless they plan on actually 'renting' during the Blackout dates, which I also think is wrong on their part.

 

[HitchHiker71]

Different things. We know EH does not have to rent the entire reservation. We know EH does not have to rent any of the reservation.

We don't know if EH will rent nights that are in a restricted period. The week I submitted is a pretty desirable week -- a 2BR Deluxe unit January 8-15 at Royal Vista. If EH accepts the listing and lists the entire seven nights, I would expect someone to grab it.

If EH accepts the listing and lists only five nights, the question will have been answered. And, I'll probably withdraw the listing and use the week (and the subsequent week) ourselves.

Here's what I see on EH when looking at Royal Vista for the entire month of January. I tried choosing Jan 10-17 and was told the dates I've chosen are unavailable at that resort. I currently see Jan 11-15 as unavailable on the EH monthly calendar view. This will be an interested test for sure.