Vistana to Abound Point Conversion Tracker

[dioxide45]

Aren't all Lagunamar units Oceanview? Some are even Oceanfront. Is that what you are asking about?

Just confirming that you own oceanview instead of oceanfront. I guess technically seaview and seafront. Or whatever they call that there. The endcap units were sold as oceanfront but have the same amount of StarOptions.

 

[Eric B]

I believe the terms they use at Lagunamar are "oceanside" for the end units in buildings 1, 9, and 14, and "oceanview" for all other units.

 

[EnglishmanAbroad]

Aren't all Lagunamar units Oceanview? Some are even Oceanfront. Is that what you are asking about?

(Removed as already answered)

 

[dioxide45]

I believe the terms they use at Lagunamar are "oceanside" for the end units in buildings 1, 9, and 14, and "oceanview" for all other units.

Thanks for the clarification. I really think Marriott should assign more Abound points for oceanside vs oceanview.

 

[dioxide45]

Learned today that Westin Aventuras looks to be a conversion rate of 30.04. I added it to the spreadsheet.

 

[Troyrissa]

Learned today that Westin Aventuras looks to be a conversion rate of 30.04. I added it to the spreadsheet.

Dioxide, I have Aventuras. I’m trying to understand how this will work with the Abound. What does this conversion rate mean for 37,000 staroptions? Do you think it will be worthwhile to convert?

 

[dioxide45]

Dioxide, I have Aventuras. I’m trying to understand how this will work with the Abound. What does this conversion rate mean for 37,000 staroptions? Do you think it will be worthwhile to convert?

You would divide your 37,000 by 30.04 to get to the amount of Abound points. So it should mean you would have 1,231 Abound Points. They may probably round that up or down to the nearest 5. 1200 points isn't a lot, so you won't be able to make a lot of reservations with that, but 37,000 isn't a lof of HomeOptions/StarOptions either.

 

[TravelTime]

You would divide your 37,000 by 30.04 to get to the amount of Abound points. So it should mean you would have 1,231 Abound Points. They may probably round that up or down to the nearest 5. 1200 points isn't a lot, so you won't be able to make a lot of reservations with that, but 37,000 isn't a lof of HomeOptions/StarOptions either.

With the MVC points charts for the Westin resorts that @kozykritter posted, it seems the conversions are not needed anymore.

 

[dioxide45]

With the MVC points charts for the Westin resorts that @kozykritter posted, it seems the conversions are not needed anymore.

That chart is how much it costs to book a stay at a Westin property and it varies based on the time of the year. What we are tracking here for conversions is how many points a Vistana owner gets for their VOI when they would elect Abound points. These are two different numbers, just like with Marriott.

 

[Troyrissa]

You would divide your 37,000 by 30.04 to get to the amount of Abound points. So it should mean you would have 1,231 Abound Points. They may probably round that up or down to the nearest 5. 1200 points isn't a lot, so you won't be able to make a lot of reservations with that, but 37,000 isn't a lof of HomeOptions/StarOptions either.

Thanks Dioxide. I also have SVV 81,000 staroptions. I saw that conversion posted earlier at around 34.xx. So the Aventuras is valued higher per staroption? That seems odd but I guess Marriott makes sense of it in some way. Maybe the flex products are being valued higher? I’m just not sure those amount of points will be worth it. Dioxide can a week vacation be booked in Marriott for 3500 points? Also has there been any conclusive answer on whether vistana mandatory resale will be able to participate in abound?

 

[dioxide45]

Thanks Dioxide. I also have SVV 81,000 staroptions. I saw that conversion posted earlier at around 34.xx. So the Aventuras is valued higher per staroption? That seems odd but I guess Marriott makes sense of it in some way. Maybe the flex products are being valued higher? I’m just not sure those amount of points will be worth it. Dioxide can a week vacation be booked in Marriott for 3500 points? Also has there been any conclusive answer on whether vistana mandatory resale will be able to participate in abound?

SVV will be valued based on the underlying week and probably kept in line with other Marriott resorts in Orlando. You probably want to look at the Marriott points charts to see what 3,500 points can get you.

2023 Points Chart

We have no definitive answer as to if mandatory resale will be able to be enrolled. We are mandatory resale and of the three presentations we have been to recently, the reps have all been kind of cagey to the subject.

 

[ocdb8r]

With the MVC points charts for the Westin resorts that @kozykritter posted, it seems the conversions are not needed anymore.

Nope - the points charts are the number of points you need to SPEND to get a week. We're tracking conversions for the value of points you get for opting for DPs (instead of using your week or Staroptions). These are not the same as:

a) as you will see from the points charts, MVC has created totally new seasons for when you use DPs....so for your SVN week you get a blended value of all the weeks in the new seasons created by MVC; and

b) MVC "skims" off some points when you elect DPs (basically, they give you 7-10% less points than needed to book the week you give in)....very well discussed in the MVC forum, but consider this your "cost" of choosing to participate in MVC DPs in any given year.

 

[TravelTime]

That chart is how much it costs to book a stay at a Westin property and it varies based on the time of the year. What we are tracking here for conversions is how many points a Vistana owner gets for their VOI when they would elect Abound points. These are two different numbers, just like with Marriott.

Got it. As usual I am confused.

 

[Lansdowne]

While information is not formally out yet we, and many others, have been told that when an owner "elects" Club Points in lieu of a use year, the owner will be required to turn over the entire villa, no-lock offs! This means there won't be conversion rates for the two sides of a lock-off villa (ex: no 1 BR Premium or Studio Premium). Marriott wants the entire villa available for booking in the Abound program. FYI, at WKORV, there are a few 1BR Standard villas which are freestanding 1 BR's which should be eligible to receive Club Clubs upon election.

KAA

The Westin Ka‘anapali Ocean Resort Villas

Vistana

Lahaina

HI

USA

Domestic

2BR Lockoff

Oceanfront

Platinum Plus

176,700

8,325

KAA

The Westin Ka‘anapali Ocean Resort Villas

Vistana

Lahaina

HI

USA

Domestic

1BR Premium

Oceanfront

Platinum Plus

95,700

KAA

The Westin Ka‘anapali Ocean Resort Villas

Vistana

Lahaina

HI

USA

Domestic

Studio Premium

Oceanfront

Platinum Plus

81,000

 

[ocdb8r]

While information is not formally out yet we, and many others, have been told that when an owner "elects" Club Points in lieu of a use year, the owner will be required to turn over the entire villa, no-lock offs! This means there won't be conversion rates for the two sides of a lock-off villa (ex: no 1 BR Premium or Studio Premium). Marriott wants the entire villa available for booking in the Abound program. FYI, at WKORV, there are a few 1BR Standard villas which are freestanding 1 BR's which should be eligible to receive Club Clubs upon election.

There will be conversion rates because some people only own these types of units; not everything at every resort was sold as a full 2-bed lock-off (even where standalone units don't exist). I do recall that some Vistana resorts were required due to local restrictions to only sell lock-offs as full 2-bed units, but I can't recall which ones. The DP election restriction will require you to elect whatever your full ownership is.

 

[dioxide45]

While information is not formally out yet we, and many others, have been told that when an owner "elects" Club Points in lieu of a use year, the owner will be required to turn over the entire villa, no-lock offs! This means there won't be conversion rates for the two sides of a lock-off villa (ex: no 1 BR Premium or Studio Premium). Marriott wants the entire villa available for booking in the Abound program. FYI, at WKORV, there are a few 1BR Standard villas which are freestanding 1 BR's which should be eligible to receive Club Clubs upon election.

KAA

The Westin Ka‘anapali Ocean Resort Villas

Vistana

Lahaina

HI

USA

Domestic

2BR Lockoff

Oceanfront

Platinum Plus

176,700

8,325

KAA

The Westin Ka‘anapali Ocean Resort Villas

Vistana

Lahaina

HI

USA

Domestic

1BR Premium

Oceanfront

Platinum Plus

95,700

KAA

The Westin Ka‘anapali Ocean Resort Villas

Vistana

Lahaina

HI

USA

Domestic

Studio Premium

Oceanfront

Platinum Plus

81,000

I suspect they have to allocate more Club Points to each side of the lock off for those that bought those because MVC plans to allocate more points for booking purposes to each side of the lock off. They did this with the MVC weeks where Marriott never sold each side individually. It costs more to book a studio and a 1BR than it does to book the entire 2BR. So those that bought a 1BR will probably get a better point to MF ratio than those that bought a full 2BR.

 

[ocdb8r]

I suspect they have to allocate more Club Points to each side of the lock off for those that bought those because MVC plans to allocate more points for booking purposes to each side of the lock off. They did this with the MVC weeks where Marriott never sold each side individually. It costs more to book a studio and a 1BR than it does to book the entire 2BR. So those that bought a 1BR will probably get a better point to MF ratio than those that bought a full 2BR.

...and this is likely why they don't allow "locking off" and depositing only part of whatever unit you own. I don't think MVC weeks owners can do this either.

 

[VacationForever]

@dioxide45

Some numbers, a couple of new ones for you to update:
- Westin Mission Hills Gold Plus / 81K 2BR, 2375 DC points
- Westin Princeville Platinum / 148K 2BR, 4300 DC points
- Westin Desert Willow, Platinum / 148K 2BR, 3725 DC points
- Westin Flex, 81K, 2810 DC points

 

[grrrah]

SVV will be valued based on the underlying week and probably kept in line with other Marriott resorts in Orlando. You probably want to look at the Marriott points charts to see what 3,500 points can get you.

2023 Points Chart

We have no definitive answer as to if mandatory resale will be able to be enrolled. We are mandatory resale and of the three presentations we have been to recently, the reps have all been kind of cagey to the subject.

Hopefully cagey in an effort to get people to requalify their resale purchases before formally learning that they don't need to. (fingers crossed)

 

[EnglishmanAbroad]

@dioxide45

Some numbers for you, a couple of new ones for you to update:
- Westin Mission Hills Gold Plus / 81K 2BR, 2375 DC points
- Westin Princeville Platinum / 148K 2BR, 4300 DC points
- Westin Desert Willow, Platinum / 148K 2BR, 3725 DC points
- Westin Flex, 81K, 2810 DC points

Seems like Princeville are getting a raw deal considering that anyone who bought there from the developer for a standard view 2BR paid quite a bit more than WKORV/N but will be receiving around 30% less trading value in Marriott. Not sure if their MFs are significantly lower than Maui as I couldn't find them on the 2022 MF thread.

 

[VacationForever]

Seems like Princeville are getting a raw deal considering that anyone who bought there from the developer for a standard view 2BR paid quite a bit more than WKORV/N but will be receiving around 30% less trading value in Marriott. Not sure if their MFs are significantly lower than Maui as I couldn't find them on the 2022 MF thread.

I agree that Princeville's number is too low. The salesperson tried to explain that the property does not have ocean view and hence the lower conversion. I would be pissed if I had bought from the developer. No, I don't own there.

 

[pacman777]

I agree that Princeville's number is too low. The salesperson tried to explain that the property does not have ocean view and hence the lower conversion. I would be pissed if I had bought from the developer. No, I don't own there.

Lagunamar has higher DC points with 4950 and half the maintenance fees of Princeville.

 

[dioxide45]

Seems that they are lining Princeville up with what they offer for Marriott's Waiohai Beach Club. This kind of makes sense with no better way to really do it.

 

[grrrah]

I agree that Princeville's number is too low. The salesperson tried to explain that the property does not have ocean view and hence the lower conversion. I would be pissed if I had bought from the developer. No, I don't own there.

Well it's ~30% lower than the Island views at the maui properties at 148k SOs. Sorta reflective of the demand/availability

 

[daviator]

Well it's ~30% lower than the Island views at the maui properties at 148k SOs. Sorta reflective of the demand/availability

I agree that demand seems to be the main factor in the assigned DC point values. Legacy sales prices for the units are probably not a factor at all.

Every time I search for availability at WKORV, there is pretty much always availability at Princeville even when WKORV is unavailable. My perception is that the demand is much lower for Kauai, and that's why the DC values are lower than Maui.

At this point, they are no longer selling (or almost no longer selling) weeks ownerships, and so what people paid for legacy weeks is really only of interest to those people who bought them. Going forward, it's all DPs, and those seem to have been assigned values based on demand first, and local price factors second.