Vistana to Abound Point Conversion Tracker

[Eric B]

It seems like a bad conversion rate for mandatory properties.

If I were setting up a system combination that included mandatory resale properties without additional purchases (i.e., an affiliation that includes all VSN members rather than just those with retail or requalified resale purchases), that is how I would establish the comparative values because the fact that they are in on a mandatory basis would make them less valuable to me as the developer; I would rather value the voluntary properties higher because that would provide a sales incentive.

 

[rcv82]

I don’t think mandatory or voluntary has anything to with conversion value, but rather the relative supply and demand of the property to exchangers. WKORV and Nanea oceanfront both have very high exchange rates, one mandatory. Orlando properties are a very plentiful, so they won’t be worth as much. StarOptions values didn’t fully reflect the difference in supply/demand, with the Abound values being much closer.


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[jcflorian]

I own at Westin Kaanapali North- 2br lockoff- Oceanfront.

What will 176,700 star options convert to?

 

[dioxide45]

I own at Westin Kaanapali North- 2br lockoff- Oceanfront.

What will 176,700 star options convert to?

It is already on the sheet linked in the first post.

 

[bigslip]

This is what they offered us. We currently have 224k flex. I know odd number. They said we need 243k to make Marriott world wide executive. We would then have 7092 MVC points. Merger is 100% complete end of month and there will be a widget added to dashboard brining in August where you can choose Marriott properties or Vistana. First of year we would access MVC website only.

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[dsmrp]

@dioxide45, I have 2 more datapoints for your spreadsheet.
VIT/VIO Sheraton Vistana Resort
fixed week 2 Bdrm Spas, "Prime" season, 81,000 options -> 2425 DC pts
float 2 bdrm Lakes, "High/Gold Plus" season, 81000 -> 2575 DC pts

The Cascades 2 bdrm unit, HIgh season in the spreadsheet gets 2600 pts, 25 pts more than mine.
No idea why MVC got so granular on each week.
They did downgrade pointswise my fixed week; so maybe non-event fixed weeks are overall worth less?

 

[jabberwocky]

@dioxide45

The Cascades 2 bdrm unit, HIgh season in the spreadsheet gets 2600 pts, 25 pts more than mine.
No idea why MVC got so granular on each week.
They did downgrade pointswise my fixed week; so maybe non-event fixed weeks are overall worth less?

The 2600 Cascades week entry is mine. It is a “fixed-floating week 51”. So it may have a bit more value given It is guaranteed Christmas each year if desired.

 

[VacationForever]

The 2600 Cascades week entry is mine. It is a “fixed-floating week 51”. So it may have a bit more value given It is guaranteed Christmas each year if desired.

Lakes phase is also fixed-float, like Cascades. What is interesting is that yours is Prime while @dsmrp's High season. I wonder if that makes up the 25 points difference.

 

[dioxide45]

float 2 bdrm Lakes, "High/Gold Plus" season, 81000 -> 2575 DC pts

I think this might also be a 2BR lock off? Thus why only the 25 point difference instead of what I would expect to be a bigger difference given the seasons?

 

[VacationForever]

I think this might also be a 2BR lock off? Thus why only the 25 point difference instead of what I would expect to be a bigger difference given the seasons?

Nope. L/O is 95,700 SOs for Lakes and Cascades, regardless of "season". Based on the posts, both @jabberwocky and @dsmrp own 2BR units.

I have a "virtual" owners update with MVC tomorrow afternoon and I suspect they don't know Vistana's conversion rates to Abound. I told the person who contacted me to not waste our time unless they could let us know about Vistana conversion. The person said she would ask her supervisor and to call me back. She did, and said that her supervisor said that they should be able to talk about the combined program, which in English means that they have no clue on Vistana conversion to Abound points. My husband said since we have nothing to do tomorrow, just attend for the $$$.

 

[dioxide45]

I have a "virtual" owners update with MVC tomorrow afternoon and I suspect they don't know Vistana's conversion rates to Abound.

The rep at Canyon Villas last week was able to tell us the conversion rate for our two Vistana weeks. They even had something that looked like an official print out from a system.

 

[VacationForever]

The rep at Canyon Villas last week was able to tell us the conversion rate for our two Vistana weeks. They even had something that looked like an official print out from a system.

Thank you. We will see what happens tomorrow.

 

[dioxide45]

Nope. L/O is 95,700 SOs for Lakes and Cascades, regardless of "season". Based on the posts, both @jabberwocky and @dsmrp own 2BR units.

Thanks for clarifying. I have updated my sheet to some degree. For now I am hiding the VSN Season and StarOption amount. They are still there just in white text. Trying to keep it straight is difficult and I suspect it is the underlying week or season that matters.

 

[jabberwocky]

Thank you. We will see what happens tomorrow.

i think what @dioxide45 is referring to is the “Daily Tour Profile Sheet”. They can print this out for you and it will list what each of your ownerships would convert to in Abound.

I grabbed a photo of ours during our tour last week.

 

[rickandcindy23]

The rep at Canyon Villas last week was able to tell us the conversion rate for our two Vistana weeks. They even had something that looked like an official print out from a system.

You went to Arizona and Palm Desert, what did you think of the dry, extremely hot air of these desert climates in summer? It will be a relief to be back in some humid weather again, I am sure. I prefer the desert heat over the Orlando/ coastal FL humidity in summer.

Also, I think I would convert some of my other weeks to Marriott Abound so am curious what others have been told about their 9-43 and 47 weeks at SBP. If anyone has that information, would you post it here?

I also have the Marriott's Shadow Ridge and Willow Ridge I was considering for a rollover into DC (which I am unsure I want to even visit the Shadow Ridge in person after finding out no ceiling fans in the bedrooms, which is a big deal to me).

Thank you, Jeremy for doing all of this work.

 

[VacationForever]

i think what @dioxide45 is referring to is the “Daily Tour Profile Sheet”. They can print this out for you and it will list what each of your ownerships would convert to in Abound.

I grabbed a photo of ours during our tour last week.

It is a MVC owners' update, not Vistana owners' update. Are you saying that MVC can now pull Vistana ownership info? I think you went to a Vistana one? I know Dioxide got his Vistana profile at Canyon Villas, so I am now hopeful.

 

[kozykritter]

It is a MVC owners' update, not Vistana owners' update. Are you saying that MVC can now pull Vistana ownership info? I think you went to a Vistana one? I know Dioxide got his Vistana profile at Canyon Villas, so I am now hopeful.

Yes they loaded all Vistana ownership into their sales and marketing system a couple of months ago. They even assigned each of us a MVC customer number which is on the daily tour sheet.

They also have records of all the sales presentations you attended at both Vistana and Marriott and the outcomes. My salesperson in June showed me all of it. He also showed me that for Marriott owners they have a history of all the "problems" they reported during stays and if they were given any type of compensation. That kind of surprised me that sales would have that!

 

[jabberwocky]

It is a MVC owners' update, not Vistana owners' update. Are you saying that MVC can now pull Vistana ownership info? I think you went to a Vistana one? I know Dioxide got his Vistana profile at Canyon Villas, so I am now hopeful.

Yes. The printout we got is definitely from the MVC system. It has the MVC logo and a footer stating that it is “Marriott Vacations Worldwide Confidential and Proprietary Information”.

I’ve seen the Vistana ones at prior updates (the ones that look like they could be produced from a dot matrix printer). These ones are definitely not from the legacy Vistana system.

 

[dioxide45]

Yes. The printout we got is definitely from the MVC system. It has the MVC logo and a footer stating that it is “Marriott Vacations Worldwide Confidential and Proprietary Information”.

I’ve seen the Vistana ones at prior updates (the ones that look like they could be produced from a dot matrix printer). These ones are definitely not from the legacy Vistana system.

Sounds like the same thing I have. The closer actually let us have a copy after she redacted our owner number and such (not sure why). Then the regular sales rep let us take a bigger packet that had the same page and a whole lot more, without redaction. Go figure.

One thing for sure, you almost need a magnifying glass to read the thing... At least at my age.

 

[jabberwocky]

Sounds like the same thing I have. The closer actually let us have a copy after she redacted our owner number and such (not sure why). Then the regular sales rep let us take a bigger packet that had the same page and a whole lot more, without redaction. Go figure.

One thing for sure, you almost need a magnifying glass to read the thing... At least at my age.

Lol. It is small!

Curious. can you look at the sheet and see what it says on the line “Total Non Enroll pts” in the upper right hand corner? I’m trying to figure out what this means. Ours shows as zero even though we have a mandatory resale week that is “unauthorized.”

 

[dioxide45]

Lol. It is small!

Curious. can you look at the sheet and see what it says on the line “Total Non Enroll pts” in the upper right hand corner? I’m trying to figure out what this means. Ours shows as zero even though we have a mandatory resale week that is “unauthorized.”

All of ours are mandatory un-authorized, Here is what it indicates;

The 4,125 is our Marriott points and the 3,525 is the total from our two Vistana weeks.

 

[VacationForever]

All of ours are mandatory un-authorized, Here is what it indicates;
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The 4,125 is our Marriott points and the 3,525 is the total from our two Vistana weeks.

What is OBL? Are any of your Marriott weeks enrolled?

 

[dioxide45]

What is OBL? Are any of your Marriott weeks enrolled?

They are enrolled and I suspect OBL may stand for "Owner Benefit Level" since we are Select with MVC.

 

[kozykritter]

What is OBL? Are any of your Marriott weeks enrolled?

Owner Benefit Level, I believe

 

[jabberwocky]

All of ours are mandatory un-authorized, Here is what it indicates;
View attachment 61010

The 4,125 is our Marriott points and the 3,525 is the total from our two Vistana weeks.

Interesting. Our resale WKORV-N week is not requalified; however, it isn’t showing up as non-enrolled. On two separate updates we’ve been told that all of our ownerships qualify for Abound conversion and that we didn’t need to buy anything more to access the system. I wonder if this is because we do have a WFlex package?