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Vistana to Abound Point Conversion Tracker

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10925 is North week 52 OF 2br
8075 is week 52. Same value for South OV and North IV.
All week 52s are 2 bedrooms
6200 is for my 2 br units at south. Same value whether ov or iv not week 52
8325 is South 2br OF deluxe corner not week 52
Okay. I think I have everything documented in the Google Sheet correctly.
 

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Dumb ? Where do I find what a person can rent with Club points?
If you are a MVC Point owner or own enrolled weeks (in the future enrolled Vistana VOIs), you can rent Club Points from other owners. They cost about $0.70pp and can be transferred directly to your account from the owner that rents them to you. Check www.vacationpointexchange.com.
 

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If you are a MVC Point owner or own enrolled weeks (in the future enrolled Vistana VOIs), you can rent Club Points from other owners. They cost about $0.70pp and can be transferred directly to your account from the owner that rents them to you. Check www.vacationpointexchange.com.
So if my 2 br ov is worth 6200 points in Marriott i could rent for 4340 dollars. Or i can keep it and rent it for at least that if not more for example my week 52s are worth 8075 points non OF at .70 per point definitely not worth it. I get over 7k for week 52.
 

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So if my 2 br ov is worth 6200 points in Marriott i could rent for 4340 dollars. Or i can keep it and rent it for at least that if not more for example my week 52s are worth 8075 points non OF at .70 per point definitely not worth it. I get over 7k for week 52.
The difference with renting points though is that once they are rented you are done. You simply transfer the points to the other owner and you have no further obligation. No worries about the owner cancelling, asking to cancel, asking to change dates, saying the room sucked, chargebacks. You completed your obligation when you transferred the points and it is up to the renter to find and book their accommodations. There is less risk in renting points than renting actual reservations.
 

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I have started to create a conversion tracker to keep track of the amount of points allocaetd to each VOI. I know everything right now is still speculation or information gleaned from attending a sales presentation, but at some point I suspect we will get official numbers. For now we can start tracking based on what we have learned in the other threads and update later if necessary. I don't have time at the moment to go through the other threads to update this sheet, creating it is as far as I got. But if anyone else wants to take a stab at it, feel free. The lined Google Sheet is open to comments (opening for edit gets messy). If you find something to add right click on the cell and select "Comment" then indicate what should be in the cell. Mainly looking to verify the breakdown of the sheet is correct but also to populate columns J, M and N. For resorts that are weeks based, I would prefer to populate N and calculate M. For Flex based items, it will just be M that gets populated to indicate the conversion of points. Based on the comments I can update the data in the actual cells.

I had the same amount points shown to me for platinum Kierland at 4050, I saw points convert for 200000 Sheraton flex to be 5840 point conversion, and Desert Willow gold 67500 points convert 2300.
 

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I got to see Marriott's rule very recently (I'll update the other thread with the information I've obtained).

Can't wait to hear about this info... Please don't keep us all in suspense!
 

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ECpoints per maint $.png

Back to the spreadsheet, part of the value calculation should be the EC points you get per maintenance fee $. Attached are the calculations for the Vistana resorts I own at. Interestingly, Kierland and Kaanapali regular 2BRs convert almost identically.
 

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View attachment 62433
Back to the spreadsheet, part of the value calculation should be the EC points you get per maintenance fee $. Attached are the calculations for the Vistana resorts I own at. Interestingly, Kierland and Kaanapali regular 2BRs convert almost identically.
What is an EC point?
 

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It's DC point misspelled :)
Ah, that makes sense. I am not interested in producing a calculator to determine DC points to MFs ratios. That becomes an annual commitment to update and maintain as maintenance fees go up. One of those is already done on the Marriott side and perhaps at some point the Vistana resorts can be incorporated into that.
 

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I am still a little confused. I own 2 br lockoff (OCEANFRONT) for WKORN. Any wk available to us. Do we convert to 10,925 or 8325

Unless we were told the wrong info at purchase. We were told any wk all year available 12 months from purchase. We never go during xmas anyways but nice to have that option.
 

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I am still a little confused. I own 2 br lockoff (OCEANFRONT) for WKORN. Any wk available to us. Do we convert to 10,925 or 8325

Unless we were told the wrong info at purchase. We were told any wk all year available 12 months from purchase. We never go during xmas anyways but nice to have that option.
Platinum season OF is worth 8,325 but if you own a fixed OF week 52, then it can convert to 10,925.
 

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Platinum season OF is worth 8,325 but if you own a fixed OF week 52, then it can convert to 10,925.
Christmas week will never be available at 12 months, as I understand it. In theory, if someone who owns week 52 decides not to use their unit one year (and books a different property at 8 months with StarOptions) it’s possible that some other owner could use SOs to snatch that week for that year. In practice I think that’s nearly impossible.

Sales probably did tell you “you can reserve any time” but the reality is that week 52 was sold as a fixed week and owners of that week are automatically pre-reserved each year, I think, unless they opt for some other usage.
 

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Christmas week will never be available at 12 months, as I understand it. In theory, if someone who owns week 52 decides not to use their unit one year (and books a different property at 8 months with StarOptions) it’s possible that some other owner could use SOs to snatch that week for that year. In practice I think that’s nearly impossible.

Sales probably did tell you “you can reserve any time” but the reality is that week 52 was sold as a fixed week and owners of that week are automatically pre-reserved each year, I think, unless they opt for some other usage.

You cannot make reservation for week 51/52 on vistana.com if you only own floating weeks. I think if the owner of these weeks cancels their reservation, Vistana would take the inventory for rentals. I own a couple of these weeks, and had to call in to make changes to these weeks (when the ownership was transferred, the reservation had to be rebooked).
 

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I like being with my extended family for Xmas so its not really an issue for me. We purchased in 2007, at that time things may have been different.
 

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Whoop! Whoop! Off topic alert :p

Dioxide created this thread to gather statistical information about the DP value being assigned to each type of week to put in a spreadsheet for everyone to access. I figure we owe it to him to limit our posts to that information only.
 

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Whoop! Whoop! Off topic alert :p

Dioxide created this thread to gather statistical information about the DP value being assigned to each type of week to put in a spreadsheet for everyone to access. I figure we owe it to him to limit our posts to that information only.
Thanks. I don't mind the odd discussion about conversion rates and comparisons as to what those are and how they might impact usage. I am trying to like all the posts so I know which ones I have tracked in the spreadsheet and where I last updated in the thread, but picking out the true conversion numbers is tricky. Though it helps if people can add comments to the spreadsheet as I get an email every time someone does. Many people update the sheet and never post here. Which is just fine by me.
 

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Love the spreadsheet. Could you please fix the top row so that we can see the headers as we scroll down? I will also have some conversation rates later today after our “Owners Update”. Thanks!
 

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Love the spreadsheet. Could you please fix the top row so that we can see the headers as we scroll down? I will also have some conversation rates later today after our “Owners Update”. Thanks!
Done
 

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Adding some information for Westin St. John

WSJ Coral Vista Studio Gold Plus (weeks 34 - 50) 44,000 StarOptions to 1,135 Abound points. Per MVC presentation this past May.
 

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Adding some information for Westin St. John

WSJ Coral Vista Studio Gold Plus (weeks 34 - 50) 44,000 StarOptions to 1,135 Abound points. Per MVC presentation this past May.
I understand that Coral Vista was sold as Home Options and not deeded units, is that correct? Can your HomeOptions also only be booked in the Gold Plus season? If so, it would seem you have a 38.77 conversion rate. Higher seasons might have better conversations?
 

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Yes I believe you are correct as Home Options. I can book the Coral Vista in the Gold Plus season and book all other Vistana at 8 months.
 

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Westin Nanea OceanFront's conversion is 22.254
 
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