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Vistana to Abound Point Conversion Tracker

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I don't see a category for Sheraton Vistana Villages St. Augustine section in your chart.
Yeah, the resorts with multiple phases got messy. If you have a number of points to report, you can put the details here. Or you can use one of the blank lines or rows that matches up best and add comments to the Google Sheet.
 

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View attachment 62433
Back to the spreadsheet, part of the value calculation should be the EC points you get per maintenance fee $. Attached are the calculations for the Vistana resorts I own at. Interestingly, Kierland and Kaanapali regular 2BRs convert almost identically.
would you share this spreadsheet with me? Thank you.
 

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Just a reminder. If you find something on the sheet that needs updated or a value entered. Use the add comment function (right click on the cell in browser) to add a comment. I won't be sharing the sheet for updates to be made by everyone.
 

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Back to the spreadsheet, part of the value calculation should be the EC points you get per maintenance fee $. Attached are the calculations for the Vistana resorts I own at. Interestingly, Kierland and Kaanapali regular 2BRs convert almost identically.
Docbike’s spreadsheet includes maintenance fee etc. vs. post #1
 

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I just logged into Vistana and I saw this on my dashboard:

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The points listed below represent the value of points you receive if you convert your VOI with the Marriott Bonvoy program.

286,254

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The value of my current week WKOVRN 2BR OF Platinum is 176,700. They are showing me that my week is worth more with Bonvoy than with StarOptions.

What do other people see with their week? What resort, size, view and season do you own? I am curious how many accounts are showing their week(s) worth more in Abound than with SOs.
 

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I just logged into Vistana and I saw this on my dashboard:

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The points listed below represent the value of points you receive if you convert your VOI with the Marriott Bonvoy program.

286,254

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The value of my current week WKOVRN 2BR OF Platinum is 176,700. They are showing me that my week is worth more with Bonvoy than with StarOptions.

What do other people see with their week? What resort, size, view and season do you own? I am curious how many accounts are showing their week(s) worth more in Abound than with SOs.

Bonvoy and Abound are not the same...I suspect what you're looking at is the number of Bonvoy points you will get (not Abound points).
 

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I just logged into Vistana and I saw this on my dashboard:

———————

The points listed below represent the value of points you receive if you convert your VOI with the Marriott Bonvoy program.

286,254

———————

The value of my current week WKOVRN 2BR OF Platinum is 176,700. They are showing me that my week is worth more with Bonvoy than with StarOptions.

What do other people see with their week? What resort, size, view and season do you own? I am curious how many accounts are showing their week(s) worth more in Abound than with SOs.
This was always listed. The contract always showed the bonvoy point value even if the unit (in my case) is a mandatory resale that didn’t have the ability to convert to bonvoy points. The bonvoy amount was always more than the star option value.
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I just logged into Vistana and I saw this on my dashboard:

———————

The points listed below represent the value of points you receive if you convert your VOI with the Marriott Bonvoy program.

286,254

———————

The value of my current week WKOVRN 2BR OF Platinum is 176,700. They are showing me that my week is worth more with Bonvoy than with StarOptions.

What do other people see with their week? What resort, size, view and season do you own? I am curious how many accounts are showing their week(s) worth more in Abound than with SOs.
Do you mean 286K number represents hotel Bonvoy points you'd get thru converting thru Abound ? Rather than converting from star options? It used to say on your Vistana VOI details how many Bonvoy pts your week is worth via original Vistana conversion.
 

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Do you mean 286K number represents hotel Bonvoy points you'd get thru converting thru Abound ? Rather than converting from star options? It used to say on your Vistana VOI details how many Bonvoy pts your week is worth via original Vistana conversion.

I did not realize it was Bonvoy points. I got confused. Thank you everyone for clarifying.
 

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Do you mean 286K number represents hotel Bonvoy points you'd get thru converting thru Abound ? Rather than converting from star options? It used to say on your Vistana VOI details how many Bonvoy pts your week is worth via original Vistana conversion.
You can't convert to Bonvoy points through Abound. It has to be done with your original ownership in the Vistana system.
 

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You can't convert to Bonvoy points through Abound. It has to be done with your original ownership in the Vistana system.
I wish Marriott would update the Bonvoy pts on Vistana VOIs. Ours is very low based perhaps on valuations around 2010. I feel comparable units purchased later got more points. That's just a feeling, based on a few anecdotal numbers. E.g. a lockoff at same resort 95.7K options gets almost double pts what my 81K options unit gets. But then that could be disproportionate difference between prime vs high season.
 

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I wish Marriott would update the Bonvoy pts on Vistana VOIs. Ours is very low based perhaps on valuations around 2010. I feel comparable units purchased later got more points. That's just a feeling, based on a few anecdotal numbers. E.g. a lockoff at same resort 95.7K options gets almost double pts what my 81K options unit gets. But then that could be disproportionate difference between prime vs high season.
The Bonvoy point conversion is a fixed rate per StarOption. You multiply them by 1.56 to get the amount of Bonvoy points. I do believe there are some ownership where the rate is slightly different but I don't know enough about those to comment or give specific examples. What specific ownership do you have that is getting a different rate than that?
 

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The Bonvoy point conversion is a fixed rate per StarOption. You multiply them by 1.56 to get the amount of Bonvoy points. I do believe there are some ownership where the rate is slightly different but I don't know enough about those to comment or give specific examples. What specific ownership do you have that is getting a different rate than that?
Actually, this is off topic for this tracker forum so perhaps a new threat on this topic would be a better idea.
 

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The Bonvoy point conversion is a fixed rate per StarOption. You multiply them by 1.56 to get the amount of Bonvoy points. I do believe there are some ownership where the rate is slightly different but I don't know enough about those to comment or give specific examples. What specific ownership do you have that is getting a different rate than that?
That’s simply not true. Each resort can have a different conversion to Bonvoy points (and maybe even different ownerships at the same resort can have different conversions.)

For example, I own a 2 BR LO at WKORV, and also at WDW. They are both worth 148,100 SOs annually, but the WKORV week converts to more Bonvoy points than the WDW week does.

Maybe the ratio you posted applies to Sheraton Flex (and maybe Westin Flex?).
 

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Had my owner's update today at Kierland & have a couple data points to add. WLR oceanside platinum+ 2 bedroom is 4950 (same as oceanview), WKORVN oceanfront 2 bedroom week 51 is 9500.
 

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Had my owner's update today at Kierland & have a couple data points to add. WLR oceanside platinum+ 2 bedroom is 4950 (same as oceanview), WKORVN oceanfront 2 bedroom week 51 is 9500.
There is no good reason to assign the same number of points for oceanside and for oceanview at WLR.
 

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There is no good reason to assign the same number of points for oceanside and for oceanview at WLR.
I agree, they are really missing the mark here. But I wonder if they somehow aren't stuck with the alignment of StarOptions/HomeOptions and the Flex program (Westin Aventuras). Those ocean view and ocean side were allocated the same number of points when added to Aventuras, so to change them now for Abound may make things messy. Just thinking out loud really, but I suspect that is behind it and also why ocean view and resort view at the Hawaii properties has the same allocation.
 

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Had my owner's update today at Kierland & have a couple data points to add. WLR oceanside platinum+ 2 bedroom is 4950 (same as oceanview), WKORVN oceanfront 2 bedroom week 51 is 9500.
Thanks. I made the update.
 

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I agree, they are really missing the mark here. But I wonder if they somehow aren't stuck with the alignment of StarOptions/HomeOptions and the Flex program (Westin Aventuras). Those ocean view and ocean side were allocated the same number of points when added to Aventuras, so to change them now for Abound may make things messy. Just thinking out loud really, but I suspect that is behind it and also why ocean view and resort view at the Hawaii properties has the same allocation.
When added to Westin Flex, Westin Aventuras and Sheraton Flex, all the resorts were allocated the number of points based on the StarOptions/Homeoptions chart but they all got different allocations in Abound so I do not think this is the reason. I suspect it has more to do with the number of units owned by the developer for each view type.
 

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Just got back from a sales presentation at Westin Lagunamar. The pitch was, with my Prime Bela 2 bedroom, I would get 2,825 Club points. If I bought a gold studio, for $16k (including all fees) with maintenance of $600, I would get 37,000 Vistana points or 1,234 Club points. They said all Star Options could be divided by 30 to get Club points. While that may work with what they were selling me, it does not work with my 81,000, as that is only 28.67?!? Plus looking at the sheet, there are even more differences in Lagunamar alone! The pitch was basically, "Buy now, as Club points will not be this cheap once the merge hits! The minimum sale will be 25k!"
Most disturbing was in the contract it says you can't sell it! You can only Will it when you die or give it to your kids. That's kinda scary, isn't part of the definition of ownership is if you can sell it?
 

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Just got back from a sales presentation at Westin Lagunamar. The pitch was, with my Prime Bela 2 bedroom, I would get 2,825 Club points. If I bought a gold studio, for $16k (including all fees) with maintenance of $600, I would get 37,000 Vistana points or 1,234 Club points. They said all Star Options could be divided by 30 to get Club points. While that may work with what they were selling me, it does not work with my 81,000, as that is only 28.67?!? Plus looking at the sheet, there are even more differences in Lagunamar alone! The pitch was basically, "Buy now, as Club points will not be this cheap once the merge hits! The minimum sale will be 25k!"
Most disturbing was in the contract it says you can't sell it! You can only Will it when you die or give it to your kids. That's kinda scary, isn't part of the definition of ownership is if you can sell it?
It is not that you can sell it, it is stripped of important features and that makes it less valuable.


Marriott explains in its public disclosures:

"Owners generally can offer their vacation ownership interests for resale on the secondary market, which can create pricing pressure on the sale of developer inventory. However, owners who purchase vacation ownership interests on the secondary market typically do not receive all of the benefits that owners who purchase products directly from us receive. When an owner purchases a vacation ownership interest directly from us or a resale on the secondary market, the owner receives certain entitlements that are tied to the underlying vacation ownership interest, such as the right to reserve a resort unit that underlies their vacation ownership interest in order to occupy that unit or exchange its use for use of a unit at another resort through an external exchange service provider, as well as benefits that are incidental to the purchase of the vacation ownership interest. However, the purchaser on the secondary market may not be entitled to receive certain incidental benefits such as full access to our internal exchange programs or the right to trade their usage rights for customer loyalty program points. Additionally, many of our vacation ownership interests provide us with a right of first refusal on secondary market sales. We monitor sales that occur in the secondary market and exercise our right of first refusal when it is advantageous for us to do so, whether due to pricing, desire for the particular inventory, or other factors."
 

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Added values for WSJ VGV 1 BR (fixed weeks 14 & 15) = 3,425; WSJ VGV Studio (fixed week 51) = 2,400; WLR Studio Platinum + = 2,250 and Gold + = 1,525 based on print out provided at update today.
 

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I was looking at Conversion sheet and i feel like there must be some error in below The Westin Lagunamar Ocean Resort 1 1BR Premium Oceanview Club points conversation. Platinum Plus week 81,000 staroptions = 3250 and same room type Gold plus 44,000 = 2275 ??? Platinum plus week points conversation is less than gold plus week ??
The Westin Lagunamar Ocean ResortVistanaCancunMexicoMexico1BR PremiumOceanviewPlatinum Plus81,0003,250
The Westin Lagunamar Ocean ResortVistanaCancunMexicoMexico1BR PremiumOceanviewGold Plus44,0002,275
 

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I was looking at Conversion sheet and i feel like there must be some error in below The Westin Lagunamar Ocean Resort 1 1BR Premium Oceanview Club points conversation. Platinum Plus week 81,000 staroptions = 3250 and same room type Gold plus 44,000 = 2275 ??? Platinum plus week points conversation is less than gold plus week ??
The Westin Lagunamar Ocean ResortVistanaCancunMexicoMexico1BR PremiumOceanviewPlatinum Plus81,0003,250
The Westin Lagunamar Ocean ResortVistanaCancunMexicoMexico1BR PremiumOceanviewGold Plus44,0002,275
They aren't allocating the weeks values based on a conversion from StarOptions. They have some other method in how they calculate the point values for weeks.
 
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