Vistana to Abound Point Conversion Tracker

[Helios]

WSJ SB Diamond Season 2 BR will convert to 4,930 points = 35.842

 

[Eric B]

Thanks for this. I have updated the Google Sheet. Interesting that they have a 100 point difference between Bella and Key west even though the units are pretty much identical.

Bella and Key West have a different set of weeks for Prime and High seasons. A Bella 2 BR Prime being 100 higher is probably matched by High being 100 lower than Key West because the seasonal point averages would be different while the annual point averages should match.

 

[dioxide45]

Bella and Key West have a different set of weeks for Prime and High seasons. A Bella 2 BR Prime being 100 higher is probably matched by High being 100 lower than Key West because the seasonal point averages would be different while the annual point averages should match.

I'm not sure they would make High season at Key West higher and Prime season lower. I suspect for whatever reason they determined the point value to be lower. Perhaps based on original purchase price or some other metric they used to determine these point allocation values.

 

[Eric B]

I'm not sure they would make High season at Key West higher and Prime season lower. I suspect for whatever reason they determined the point value to be lower. Perhaps based on original purchase price or some other metric they used to determine these point allocation values.

Bella prime season omits a chunk of weeks in the fall and is something like 7-17 vice 6-17 (I’m not at home and don’t have good access to the range right now). As a result, there are fewer low demand weeks at Bella for a Prime season owner, which should result in a shift in the average value of a floating week in that season higher and probably got it to the 100 point difference. Someone else had posted that the assigned values for a floating week could be approximated by taking the average value of a week through the season in the table used to book it and reducing it by the 7% skim. I did the math and it seemed to work for a couple on your spreadsheet with rounding to 25 or so.

I seriously doubt they assigned a different value to Bella as compared to Key West based on differences between the two phases. They aren’t listed differently valued in the amounts needed to book them, after all. I’d just used Occam’s Razor and attributed the difference in valuation to the most obvious difference between the two. It could be something else, but that would argue for different values on the booking side, too.

Edited to add: Key West Prime season is weeks # 6-17, 23-34, 39-47, & 51-52. Bella Prime Season is weeks # 7-17, 23-34 & 51-52, which leaves out week 6 and weeks 39-47 as compared to Key West. Week 6 is valued at 2900 to book (though the last several days are in the 3,500/week range for week 7) and weeks 39-47 are valued at 2,500 per week - that is there are 9 weeks 325 below the reported assigned value for Bella and one week that is 75 above the reported assigned value.

((9*325)-(1*75))/34=83.8

There may be a difference in the skim and rounding involved that make it a 100 point difference. There's also the different number of weeks in the seasons, but I don't really feel like doing the full calculation.

 

[GregT]

Hello Jeremy,

My 1BR SVV Bella is 1,400 for Platinum and 1,200 for Gold. My 1Br SVV Key West Gold is 1,175.

These are the smaller 1BRs,44K and 37K StarOptions.

Thanks very much for starting this!

Best,

Greg

 

[skibummer]

I have started to create a conversion tracker to keep track of the amount of points allocaetd to each VOI. I know everything right now is still speculation or information gleaned from attending a sales presentation, but at some point I suspect we will get official numbers. For now we can start tracking based on what we have learned in the other threads and update later if necessary. I don't have time at the moment to go through the other threads to update this sheet, creating it is as far as I got. But if anyone else wants to take a stab at it, feel free. The lined Google Sheet is open to comments (opening for edit gets messy). If you find something to add right click on the cell and select "Comment" then indicate what should be in the cell. Mainly looking to verify the breakdown of the sheet is correct but also to populate columns J, M and N. For resorts that are weeks based, I would prefer to populate N and calculate M. For Flex based items, it will just be M that gets populated to indicate the conversion of points. Based on the comments I can update the data in the actual cells.

Vistana_DC_ConversionRates

docs.google.com

Can someone please clarify the Abound points conversion for a Westin Mission Hills Platinum 2-bedroom lockout. The Tug spreadsheet shows 3150, but what I was told by a sales agent was 3125. If anyone can clarify I would appreciate the correct info.

 

[Jimmyboy]

No matter how I tried to look Marriott Points and tried my best to like it, Marriott points just look sucks to me. Staroptions are just way better. I will keep using SOs until strange things happen to change my mind.

I think it's best to assume you are better off if you can stay in your own network and only go into Abound or Interval exchange if you have a desired location you want to visit knowing you won't get as good as a value but have that additional option. I just wonder how the high demand premium locations will fair as well as accessability knowing you can't trade in unless someone trades out. I guess that's the million dollar question.

 

[Jimmyboy]

Can someone please clarify the Abound points conversion for a Westin Mission Hills Platinum 2-bedroom lockout. The Tug spreadsheet shows 3150, but what I was told by a sales agent was 3125. If anyone can clarify I would appreciate the correct info.

Can we really trust the information given to us by sales agents? These updates are great for accumulating Bonvoy points but not good for getting critical information.

Vistana_DC_ConversionRates

docs.google.com

 

[damianinpa]

It will be interesting to see how many club points are awarded. I own Vistana Week 27 Palms unit/2 bedroom that is listed as prime season. It's hard to tell from the chart, but, I might only get 2425 points. But, looking at the abound points chart, going to Vistana that week for a 2 bedroom requires 2900 points. So, shouldn't I be entitled to 2900 points? I hope they announce the club points soon. I see all the videos on the Vistana website, but, nothing says when points will be awarded or where they will show up. I assume under the 'what I own' area.

 

[Joshadelic]

I'm not sure exactly where to post this. I just posted this in a thread that was closed and marked as "duplicate"... Here's my original message:

Sorry, but I'm confused. I haven't been keeping up with the changes here.

Am I understanding correctly that we will have the option to just keep our VSN account as it currently is rather than have everything converted to this new Abound program? Other than the fact that I think I will now get lifetime Bonvoy Platinum status, I don't see many other advantages.

This is what I currently own:
1 week SDO "true platinum" studio (67,100 SO's yearly)
1 week SVV Bella platinum 2br L/O (95,700 SO's yearly)

The SDO week was retro'd when I did a transaction with corporate to purchase the SVV week. I don't know if that matters or not. I currently have 162,800 yearly SO's and 3* Elite status. I'm not sure where everyone is getting their information on what exactly their current ownership converts to, but from the looks of it, I would have 5,100 points with the new Abound program. With my StarOptions, I can book 1 week in Hawaii in a 2br L/O, but with the new program it looks like I won't have enough points to do that. Am I getting this right? If so, that sucks.

With all of these changes pending, are there any actions I should take immediately? Like banking my SO's or making reservations before this all goes bonkers?

Any helpful information any of you can provide would be greatly appreciated. I'm just now trying to get up to speed.

Thanks,
Josh

 

[vacationtime1]

I'm not sure exactly where to post this. I just posted this in a thread that was closed and marked as "duplicate"... Here's my original message:

Sorry, but I'm confused. I haven't been keeping up with the changes here.

Am I understanding correctly that we will have the option to just keep our VSN account as it currently is rather than have everything converted to this new Abound program? Other than the fact that I think I will now get lifetime Bonvoy Platinum status, I don't see many other advantages.

This is what I currently own:
1 week SDO "true platinum" studio (67,100 SO's yearly)
1 week SVV Bella platinum 2br L/O (95,700 SO's yearly)

The SDO week was retro'd when I did a transaction with corporate to purchase the SVV week. I don't know if that matters or not. I currently have 162,800 yearly SO's and 3* Elite status. I'm not sure where everyone is getting their information on what exactly their current ownership converts to, but from the looks of it, I would have 5,100 points with the new Abound program. With my StarOptions, I can book 1 week in Hawaii in a 2br L/O, but with the new program it looks like I won't have enough points to do that. Am I getting this right? If so, that sucks.

With all of these changes pending, are there any actions I should take immediately? Like banking my SO's or making reservations before this all goes bonkers?

Any helpful information any of you can provide would be greatly appreciated. I'm just now trying to get up to speed.

Thanks,
Josh

You can still reserve a 2bd lockoff in Hawaii; just continue to use StarOptions as you have been. Electing Club Points is an annual choice; if you don't elect points, you have your StarOptions as you did in the past.

The real issue will be availability. We won't know the answer to that until the program is in place and running.

 

[dioxide45]

Can we really trust the information given to us by sales agents? These updates are great for accumulating Bonvoy points but not good for getting critical information.

Vistana_DC_ConversionRates

docs.google.com

It's the best we have right now. I suspect the numbers are right, or at least close.

 

[cubigbird]

I wonder what this conversion does to WKV Plat+ resale value? Up until recent, resale values for a 2BD LO have been +/- $15,000. I wonder if that now would be different. Curious to if we will see a market price change.

 

[dioxide45]

I wonder what this conversion does to WKV Plat+ resale value? Up until recent, resale values for a 2BD LO have been +/- $15,000. I wonder if that now would be different. Curious to if we will see a market price change.

I doubt it will change much. It doesn't get a lot of Club Points in Abound and it won't come enrolled unless you later buy trust points through some type of enrollment offer. It still rents well and will have VSN since it is mandatory.

 

[KG8]

Has anyone who owns week 51 purchased from developer at WKORV 2 Bed IV gone to an owner update to find out how many Abound points that will translate to? I saw week 52 is 8,075 Abound points and weeks 1-50 is 6,200 Abound points.

 

[SChiam]

I have started to create a conversion tracker to keep track of the amount of points allocaetd to each VOI. I know everything right now is still speculation or information gleaned from attending a sales presentation, but at some point I suspect we will get official numbers. For now we can start tracking based on what we have learned in the other threads and update later if necessary. I don't have time at the moment to go through the other threads to update this sheet, creating it is as far as I got. But if anyone else wants to take a stab at it, feel free. The lined Google Sheet is open to comments (opening for edit gets messy). If you find something to add right click on the cell and select "Comment" then indicate what should be in the cell. Mainly looking to verify the breakdown of the sheet is correct but also to populate columns J, M and N. For resorts that are weeks based, I would prefer to populate N and calculate M. For Flex based items, it will just be M that gets populated to indicate the conversion of points. Based on the comments I can update the data in the actual cells.

Vistana_DC_ConversionRates

docs.google.com

This is so helpful, thank you for creating this.

 

[TravelTime]

Do OV and IV in WKOVRN OF 2BR both convert to 6200 points? That would seem odd for different views to get the same points.

 

[Cody Penn-Dent]

Here are mine

NORV (Nanea) Odd year resort view 100,000 star options: 4,235 (annualized 2,118)
NORV Even year resort view 100,000 star options: 4,235 (annualized 2,118)
NORV every year resort view 67,100 star options: 2,840
NORV every year resort view 48,000 star options: 2,030

Aventuras every year 192,000 star options: 6,395

 

[TravelTime]

I doubt it will change much. It doesn't get a lot of Club Points in Abound and it won't come enrolled unless you later buy trust points through some type of enrollment offer. It still rents well and will have VSN since it is mandatory.

I wonder if it will decline over time esp as VSN is less available for exchanging with SOs at 8 months and many people have purchased Kierland as a SO trader.

As a comparison in the same city, Four Seasons Troon is under $10K for high season and the units are larger and pet friendly not to mention other benefits. Four Seasons is valued very highly in ThirdHome and Elite Alliance for trading in those systems in addition to opportunity to exchange with II. It is not a great value with II but you can lock off the studio and deposit in II and deposit the 1BR in ThirdHome or Elite Alliance and get a lot of value that way. With Four Seasons, you can trade into Carlsbad/San Diego and you can also enter the annual lottery to exchange into their other properties, which we did to go to Costa Rica in 2019. MF is high but not significantly higher for the differences. So maybe looking at Troon in their Platinum season would be a semi-decent comparison of where the buy-in cost could go over time.

Since we have pets, I would always buy a pet friendly week over a regular timeshare. That is why we purchased Four Seasons Aviara.

I have not been to Scottsdale so my opinion is from afar. But I have stayed at Westin and Four Seasons and I think Four Seasons is “upscale luxury” while Westin is “upscale mass market.”

 

[dioxide45]

Do OV and IV in WKOVRN OF 2BR both convert to 6200 points? That would seem odd for different views to get the same points.

Yes, they get the same number of StarOptions.

 

[TravelTime]

Yes, they get the same number of StarOptions.

Shouldn’t OV be worth more than IV? Any theories as to why they made them the same?

 

[dioxide45]

Shouldn’t OV be worth more than IV? Any theories as to why they made them the same?

No idea. I suspect they were looking at the number of StarOptions. They did the same at other resorts like Lagunamar with Ocean View and Ocean Side. I personally think this is a big miss when trying to roll it into the combined program.

 

[EnglishmanAbroad]

Shouldn’t OV be worth more than IV? Any theories as to why they made them the same?

It's also the same at WKORV I believe where in some instances the IV v OV are only separated by the floor number in the same building and cost the same number of SO to reserve.

 

[ocdb8r]

They have done similar at a few MVC resorts as well. For example, at Aruba Surf Club the "Oceanside" and "Oceanview" categories were assigned the same number of points.

 

[blondietink]

I don't see a category for Sheraton Vistana Villages St. Augustine section in your chart.