Vistana to Abound Point Conversion Tracker

[tschwa2]

Just got back from a sales presentation at Westin Lagunamar. The pitch was, with my Prime Bela 2 bedroom, I would get 2,825 Club points. If I bought a gold studio, for $16k (including all fees) with maintenance of $600, I would get 37,000 Vistana points or 1,234 Club points. They said all Star Options could be divided by 30 to get Club points. While that may work with what they were selling me, it does not work with my 81,000, as that is only 28.67?!? Plus looking at the sheet, there are even more differences in Lagunamar alone! The pitch was basically, "Buy now, as Club points will not be this cheap once the merge hits! The minimum sale will be 25k!"
Most disturbing was in the contract it says you can't sell it! You can only Will it when you die or give it to your kids. That's kinda scary, isn't part of the definition of ownership is if you can sell it?

you can sell it but what you would be selling is the underlying deed or contract. So if you are buying adventuras points, you would be selling adventuras points not something that has access to Abound.

 

[myworld]

They aren't allocating the weeks values based on a conversion from StarOptions. They have some other method in how they calculate the point values for weeks.

Got it. So Platimum plus and Gold plus does not matter in conversion. But still looks strange formula they are using to convert same type of unit with more and less points. 44,000/2275 = 19.34 and 81,000/3250 = 24.92 each club point conversion rate.

I may be sound dumb as i am just learning TS since 6 months or so and planning to buy one in near future either MVC or Vistana. so just trying to learn new Abound program conversion both ways and which may be better for first time buy.
Thank you

 

[Eric B]

Got it. So Platimum plus and Gold plus does not matter in conversion. But still looks strange formula they are using to convert same type of unit with more and less points. 44,000/2275 = 19.34 and 81,000/3250 = 24.92 each club point conversion rate.

I may be sound dumb as i am just learning TS since 6 months or so and planning to buy one in near future either MVC or Vistana. so just trying to learn new Abound program conversion both ways and which may be better for first time buy.
Thank you

I own both Gold + and Platinum + studio weeks at Lagunamar. Before I got the conversion rates recently for those in an owners update, I followed the methodology from the DC point implementation threads and averaged the Abound point values over the year from the point charts they put out, allowing for a 7% skim. It came up pretty close to the values sales at Lagunamar provided recently, which I populated @dioxide45 ‘s spreadsheet — the skim turns out to be around 5% for Platinum + and 4% for Gold +. I don’t own any 1 or 2 BR weeks there, so can’t vouch for those numbers.

 

[EnglishmanAbroad]

Got it. So Platimum plus and Gold plus does not matter in conversion. But still looks strange formula they are using to convert same type of unit with more and less points. 44,000/2275 = 19.34 and 81,000/3250 = 24.92 each club point conversion rate.

I may be sound dumb as i am just learning TS since 6 months or so and planning to buy one in near future either MVC or Vistana. so just trying to learn new Abound program conversion both ways and which may be better for first time buy.
Thank you

It's simply that Abound has a different way of valuing inventory than Vistana had. Some like the LGR 1BR Gold seem to have levelled 'up' (makes me happy as I own own of those ) but many others have been levelled 'down' especially compared to Maui. Consider the owners at Princeville on Kauai who paid the same Westin 'developer' prices as Maui and received the same 148,100 SO for a 2BR LO but in Abound they will only be getting 4200 points compared to 6200 points.

 

[aeroflygirl]

Vistana_DC_ConversionRates

docs.google.com

Lakeside Terrace 2BR Platinum Plus 129,800 StarOptions 3026 Club Points

 

[EnglishmanAbroad]

Is anyone else is seeing in any difference in what they were told they would get v what the new system now live is showing? We were told WLR 1BR Gold Plus would get 2,275 but it's actually showing as 2,800 in our account. I'm not complaining though as that's probably one of the better conversions of just 44,000 SO

 

[Erinaadyn]

Is anyone else is seeing in any difference in what they were told they would get v what the new system now live is showing? We were told WLR 1BR Gold Plus would get 2,275 but it's actually showing as 2,800 in our account. I'm not complaining though as that's probably one of the better conversions of just 44,000 SO

I can’t figure out how to find this info. Where are you seeing this? Are you on cell phone or computer?

 

[EnglishmanAbroad]

I can’t figure out how to find this info. Where are you seeing this? Are you on cell phone or computer?

On a computer. I just followed what everyone has been saying on the Abound is Up thread, logged into the Vistana dashboard and went to the Elect for Club Points tab.

 

[rcv82]

On a computer. I just followed what everyone has been saying on the Abound is Up thread, logged into the Vistana dashboard and went to the Elect for Club Points tab.

You can also see it under the “What I Own” tab. The elect tab keeps timing out on me.


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[alexadeparis]

You can also see it under the “What I Own” tab. The elect tab keeps timing out on me.


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Same could see the points my units are worth under what i own but actually electing the points - or booking anything on Marriott - isn't working for me - although the Marriott site had my name and my status level listed accurately

 

[sponger76]

For anyone who didn't previously have MVC and is accessing Abound via Vistana, have you been able to find a Marriott owner/member number anywhere?

 

[Ulrichdl]

For anyone who didn't previously have MVC and is accessing Abound via Vistana, have you been able to find a Marriott owner/member number anywhere?

I was just told through Chat that we can only access Abound site through Vistana site. I was curious if we can create a login to MVC site and they said no.

 

[zjhasan1976]

Just wondering what exactly this means - In theory, I should have 2,825 points since I have a 81k Bella. I wonder if it's because I am not an annual?

 

[alexadeparis]

Just wondering what exactly this means - In theory, I should have 2,825 points since I have a 81k Bella. I wonder if it's because I am not an annual?

it's because it's not annual - my 81k Bella Lockoff is 2575 - but only gets 1287 annualized points

 

[dioxide45]

Just wondering what exactly this means - In theory, I should have 2,825 points since I have a 81k Bella. I wonder if it's because I am not an annual?

What 81K Bella do you own? 2BR LO Gold, or 2BR dedicated Platinum?

 

[dioxide45]

it's because it's not annual - my 81k Bella Lockoff is 2575 - but only gets 1287 annualized points

Shouldn’t you get half of the annual for the OBL allocation? That is how our 1BR EOY Key West works. Worth 1400 in it’s use year, but worth 700 when allocating to the OBL.

 

[gcole]

I think it is best to breakout Lakes/Cascades. Thanks. I think only these 2 phases are different. Someone had said Fountains is similar and I don't know if it is true, but Fountains does not have 2Br lockoff.

I own lakes and cascades. Both lock-offs. Options are the same.

 

[VacationForever]

I own lakes and cascades. Both lock-offs. Options are the same.

Options are the same does not mean MVC assigns the same number of Abound points. Also, Prime weeks at thse 2 phases appear to get 25 Abound points more than High weeks, i.e. 2850 vs. 2825.

 

[pchung6]

I just found out my SVV Bella 81k 2br converts into 2825 points, but SVV Key West 81k 2br only converts to 2725 points. It's so weird about the conversion ratio.

 

[bigbillf]

My SVV St. Augustine 2BR Platinum 81K SO's (resale authorized by the developer) is in Abound for 2,725 (@29.725). My other two VOI's (Westin Flex @ 28.836 & Sheraton Flex @ 34.235) were like dead on to what was in the tracker. Thanks so much for putting this together for us.

 

[Troyrissa]

Confirming that SVV Bella 81k converts to 2825. I had to contact Vistana but everything is straightened out. Also mine is EOY so I get the 2825 in the use year only. Also Aventuras 37k converts to 1230 club points.

 

[dioxide45]

I am currently on a cruise, so just an FYI, any updates here or comments on the Google Sheet won’t get updated until I return to dry land. WiFi here on the Celebrity Beyond leaves much to be desired…

 

[DavidnRobin]

Now that 2023 MFs for Vistana and associated MVC CPs have been posted it would be great to see MF/CP values for various Vistana VOIs.
(MF only, not Club Fees)

I have:
WKORV OFD ($3785/8325CP) = $0.45/CP

WKV Plat+ 1Bd Premium ($1153/2600CP) = $0.44/CP

WPORV ($3392/4300CP) = $0.79/CP


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[vacationtime1]

WKORV OFC ($2747/8325CP) = $0.33/CP

WKV Plat+ 2bd ($1879/4050CP) = $0.46/CP

 

[EnglishmanAbroad]

WLR 1BR Gold+ ($1120/2800CP) = $0.40/CP

WKORN 2BR IV 2xEOY ($3085/6200CP) = $0.50/CP