CLOSED: Thread Dedicated to the Upcoming/Anticipated Integration of Vistana & Marriott Ownerships (Marriott Link + Vistana Discussion)

[CVC]

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CLOSED: Thread Dedicated to the Upcoming/Anticipated Integration of Vistana & Marriott Ownerships (Marriott Link + Vistana Discussion)

Depending on the exchange rate, there may be VSN resort/unit that someone may want to secure 13 months out instead of 8 months. True

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Are these new charts available anywhere other than an update? We are trying to find out any information about Nanae

I look at Facebook groups as high school and TUG as graduate work. I’m of the belief that the Facebook crowd just needs to learn. It’s not their fault. Everyone has a Facebook account and CAN join a group because they own a timeshare. They come in uneducated and disgruntled because lets not forget, they were lied to by a sales rep at one point.

People who WANT to learn come to TUG and put the effort in. I was one of those disgruntled Facebook people at one point. I finally joined TUG (years too late to rescind my developer purchases unfortunately) and learned a bit more about what I bought into. I came to TUG with the same disgruntled attitude I had on Facebook and learned rather quickly that it’s not the same here. I had a choice to make, either shape up and learn or ship out. Well, as I’m sure some wish I shipped out, I didn’t. I went from a one week PO’d owner to owning 5 weeks in different systems…..( thanks TUG for my new obsession/hobby).

I feel we as educated owners need to give back and bring more FB owners to our side. Stop looking at FB as the poor uneducated masses we want to ignore and try our best to educate them. I always advocate for owners to join TUG in every FB TS group I’m in. I love when owners understand how to use their ownerships and go from PO’d to actually making what they own work for them.

In conclusion: Be Kind, Rewind

I've come to quite admire and respect you on FB; I appreciate your knowledge and your attitude when you bring the information to those who may not be as educated, sadly. But I'm surprised at the attitude of others on here with the condemning and grouping those on FB with the adjectives used. I've come here to learn but not to be demeaned by others who they think know better or more. It's now eye opening.

 

[TravelTime]

I don’t want to join even it is free. Hope other owners can see the same as me, so we can keep VSN alive as long as possible. I’m thinking to buy another WKORVN OF, but the price has gone up insane recently.

How much is it now? By how much has it gone up? This is good to know.

 

[dioxide45]

Most people on here probably are old enough to remember and probably also used IRC (Internet Relay Chat) - I doubt the same can be said for Facebook....

I don't even have a Facebook account.

I certainly remember IRC, but as mentioned that was popular in the mid 90s.

I resisted a Facebook account for a long time, but started one at one point. I am certainly not active on there from a personal level and I made the mistake of friending my wife. A mistake only because I had a whole bunch of family members open friend requests. I ignored them all LOL. I mainly use it to interact with Facebook groups and also a page related to my YouTube channel. Now YouTube, that is a place where we need more channels! I can count on one hand the number of active timeshare channels.

I always wondered, because of its name, if TUG perhaps went back that far.

As I understand, after paper flyers TUG started out, online, on Prodigy. @TUGBrian should be able to provide more details.

 

[Venter]

Another question is how would II work if you enroll your ownership into the DC. Right now we all have Vistana corporate Ii accounts and enrolling into the DC would give us also Marriott corporate Ii accounts. Would they remain two separate accounts or are they planning to somehow use one master account for ownership in both programs? I have my Vistana one upgraded to platinum so if they're separate would you have to upgrade two accounts? So many questions.. Marriott please give us real details now

Not really a problem. You will have a new account. You will be prorated a refund for the years you have not used the platinum membership. This happened to me when I moved to DC.

 

[Mowogo]

Now YouTube, that is a place where we need more channels! I can count on one hand the number of active timeshare channels.


As I understand, after paper flyers TUG started out, online, on Prodigy. @TUGBrian should be able to provide more details.

Youtube, and blogs. There are tons of miles and points blogs and sites that help people maximize their travel while documenting some of it, and in many ways timeshares are just an extension of the travel philosophies. Look for the deals, and find the way to take advantage of them. There is a lot of information here, but it is found through digging. That is actually off putting to a lot of people who are used to the availability of information about flights and hotels. I think a concerted group of members from here could really launch such an initiative to really bring the information that has been gathered over the years into a more newbie friendly formatting. Forums have generally been the land of the wonks, but to really engage the next generation that timeshares are valuable it is time to provide new guide points.

 

[Venter]

This would be the easiest way to handle it. Otherwise you may have an owner that has a mandatory (unqualified) and a developer purchase or requalified/retroed VOI that could end up paying both fees. The DC Fee for the VOIs that they can enroll and the VOIs that they can't. They would then potentially also need to have two II accounts. One for the enrolled VOis and another for just the pure VSN VOIs. Imagine someone owning a mandatory unqualified, a developer VOI and a vulutanary VOI. They could end up with three II accounts in the end.

Why not. Just like we advise people about possible extra fees when buying resale like lock of, II exchange or II membership this will just be another consideration to make for anybody buying resale or in this case if they think it is financially advantaged to qualify.

Incidentally, I only own only voluntary weeks and points so I actually pay no VSN fee. So this is arbitrary to me as I already have extra accounts outside of my DC II account (for which I pay a club fee). I think everybody is just getting their knickers in a twist about things because they feel hard done by even though they don't have to change if they don't want to. Reality is Vistana was bought out because they were not such sharks like Marriott but considered their owners.

People the choice is simple. Keep what you have and continue as always or fall in line with whatever the new rules allow i.e. one club fee if you are qualified, extra fees if you have resorts outside, skim, election dates, no housekeeping fees(probably covered by skim) etc. etc. etc
Or....become part of the club by enrolling, requalifying or whatever and have more choice and possibilities (with increased complexity of consideration on how to use this to your advantage).

Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

 

[pchung6]

How much is it now? By how much has it gone up? This is good to know.

I checked redweek and asked Syed few months ago. The cheapest we can find for WKORVN OF was around $25-26k. This was $15-18k 5 yrs ago. I heard price is even higher months later.

 

[TravelTime]

I checked redweek and asked Syed few months ago. The cheapest we can find for WKORVN OF was around $25-26k. This was $15-18k 5 yrs ago. I heard price is even higher months later.

This does not seem accurate in terms of the price change. The EOY has always been around $12K to $14K for the last 5 years at least. It is slightly higher now but not by much. I own EOY at WKOVRN OF. The annual has been over $20K for years.

 

[pchung6]

This does not seem accurate in terms of the price change. The EOY has always been around $12K to $14K for the last 5 years at least. It is slightly higher now but not by much. I own EOY at WKOVRN OF. The annual has been over $20K for years.

I bought mine for $14k in 2018 at bargain basement price. I'm looking to buy another one for $20k for a while, just couldn't find any. The cheapest one I found was $26k few months ago which I passed.

 

[TravelTime]

I bought mine for $14k in 2018 at bargain basement price. I'm looking to buy another one for $20k for a while, just couldn't find any. The cheapest one I found was $26k few months ago which I passed.

Are you saying you bought an annual WKOVRN 2 BR ocean front for $14,000? If so, that was well below the market price in 2018. I bought my EOY for about $12,000 in 2018, I think.

 

[pchung6]

Are you saying you bought an annual WKOVRN 2 BR ocean front for $14,000? If so, that was well below the market price in 2018. I bought my EOY for about $12,000 in 2018, I think.

Yes, that's correct. It's annual 2Br OF. After closing, it was close to $15k. I searched it for a while and found this broker probably didn't know between OV and OF on ebay. If I can find another one for 20k if possible, I would be thinking hard to make another purchase. Probably it won't pass ROFR at current environment as Marriott might want to build their Maui inventory.

 

[TravelTime]

I bought mine for $14k in 2018 at bargain basement price. I'm looking to buy another one for $20k for a while, just couldn't find any. The cheapest one I found was $26k few months ago which I passed.

You got an incredible deal but it is not accurate to say prices have gone up just because you got a bargain basement price. Prices are about the same as the past.

 

[DavidnRobin]

Yes, that's correct. It's annual 2Br OF. After closing, it was close to $15k. I searched it for a while and found this broker probably didn't know between OV and OF on ebay. If I can find another one for 20k if possible, I would be thinking hard to make another purchase. Probably it won't pass ROFR at current environment as Marriott might want to build their Maui inventory.

A WKORVN OF at $15K passed ROFR?
hmmmm….


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[daviator]

As I understand, after paper flyers TUG started out, online, on Prodigy. @TUGBrian should be able to provide more details.

Prodigy…. Now THAT takes me back. Hadn't thought about Prodigy in a LONG time. I’m reminded of a tactic I used to use, back in the Prodigy days, that nearly always got me first class upgrades on AA, my airline of choice back in the 90s. Those were the days…

 

[regatta333]

Presumably, 4* Elite Vistana will be Presidential in the combined system, according to what we're being told. What happens if your underlying deeds get you to 4* in Vistana, but do not quite convert to the 10,000 DC point threshold for Presidential on the Marriott side?

For example, 2 Kierland 2BD and 1 Kierland small 1BD platinum weeks are worth 363,300 options (clearing the 359,000 point threshold for 4* in Vistana).
However, these options will only convert to 9,935 DC points. How will this be handled since it doesn't clear the threshold for Presidential on the Marriott side?

 

[TUGBrian]

ive certainly considered hosting a monthly zoom or twitch meeting/etc for tuggers to chat about things...or to read / discuss some of the more creative emails or questions we get here at TUG on a regular basis to begin adding more youtube content.

 

[dioxide45]

Presumably, 4* Elite Vistana will be Presidential in the combined system, according to what we're being told. What happens if your underlying deeds get you to 4* in Vistana, but do not quite convert to the 10,000 DC point threshold for Presidential on the Marriott side?

For example, 2 Kierland 2BD and 1 Kierland small 1BD platinum weeks are worth 363,300 options (clearing the 359,000 point threshold for 4* in Vistana).
However, these options will only convert to 9,935 DC points. How will this be handled since it doesn't clear the threshold for Presidential on the Marriott side?

It seems they will be using grandfathering to keep an owner with that type of situation at the higher level. They do this today with Marriott. They have modified the ownership tiers and there are people with not enough points that were grandfathered into a higher tier.

 

[DanCali]

I checked redweek and asked Syed few months ago. The cheapest we can find for WKORVN OF was around $25-26k. This was $15-18k 5 yrs ago. I heard price is even higher months later.

Assuming you can rent it for $X over maintenance fees every year, how many years would it take you to pay back that $25K?

 

[Eric B]

Assuming you can rent it for $X over maintenance fees every year, how many years would it take you to pay back that $25K?

T in years = 25,000/X, ignoring the time value of money. It's probably reasonable to ignore time value of money as it could be offset by inflation.

 

[CPNY]

Are these new charts available anywhere other than an update? We are trying to find out any information about Nanae

I've come to quite admire and respect you on FB; I appreciate your knowledge and your attitude when you bring the information to those who may not be as educated, sadly. But I'm surprised at the attitude of others on here with the condemning and grouping those on FB with the adjectives used. I've come here to learn but not to be demeaned by others who they think know better or more. It's now eye opening.

Thank you!

 

[SueDonJ]

Moderator Note: Several posts have been reported because they're related to the issues here: Vistana website booking challenges. I've moved three posts but stopped there because the later ones include info related to this thread, too. Gah, my head is getting ready to bonk itself off the desk!

Both issues are important but it'll be awful if Denise has to come back and clean up after all of us, including me who's getting a crash course in all things Vistana!, so think of this as one of her "gentle reminders" to try to keep this thread on track.

And if you're having difficulty with the website booking system, please post in that other thread so that any Marriott eyes on it (which I'd guess IS happening) will have all of the data in one place. Thanks!

 

[VacationForever]

Are these new charts available anywhere other than an update? We are trying to find out any information about Nanae.

Nope. So are the rest of us. For anything official, we will have to wait until the summer.

 

[sharr7]

It's a long shot but has anyone tried to go through the "Chat with Us" bot on Vistana to get to a real person and then see if they'd offer a DC conversion rate for your weeks owned and any other details they could offer? The numbers seem to be published in our "files" that sales has obviously.

 

[VacationForever]

It's a long shot but has anyone tried to go through the "Chat with Us" bot on Vistana to get to a real person and then see if they'd offer a DC conversion rate for your weeks owned and any other details they could offer? The numbers seem to be published in our "files" that sales has obviously.

Based on one of the postings above, with the white-out "un-"Authorized, I suspect that it is not in our "files", but rather salespeople put together spreadsheets/charts on their own for each person going through owners update.

 

[sharr7]

Yeah I just tried (actually got through fairly quickly), but just got the company line about how they're excited to make a big announcement sometime this summer. But nothing to share right now.

I guess owner updates (and clandestine sources) are the only place to get information that may be accurate. Frustrating.