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CLOSED: Thread Dedicated to the Upcoming/Anticipated Integration of Vistana & Marriott Ownerships (Marriott Link + Vistana Discussion)

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May I ask what they tried to sell Nanea, is it pts or deeded week? How much they asked for Nanea?
There are no deeded weeks at Nanea. I think there are only Nanea HomeOptions and Westin Flex.
 

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Is there any chance of getting a sticky made for the top of this thread, where we can add links to the most relevant posts (like those with the points charts and those with what the points values of electing DP will be)? I've been following, but there's been such an explosion of information, I'm struggling to pull out the substantive stuff when I come back here for reference.
 

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17k is a direct price which also pays for 2 weeks to be retro - please share where I can get a 2br WKV plat at that price that can accomplish that?

I believe that 17K was for an EOY platinum small 1bd at WKV. The EY goes for $28K. We have been working with a salesperson there to get our two weeks retroed.
 

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I believe that 17K was for an EOY platinum small 1bd at WKV. The EY goes for $28K. We have been working with a salesperson there to get our two weeks retroed.
I suspect you are correct. The annual 2bed Plat was offered at a 20% discount for ~$62K, so 17K for EOY makes more sense for their pricing. He just managed to gloss over the EOY part and I missed it.
 

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I believe that 17K was for an EOY platinum small 1bd at WKV. The EY goes for $28K. We have been working with a salesperson there to get our two weeks retroed.
Being able to do a retro by purchasing a WKV-Deeded-Week is always a better route [Lower-MF + Better-Resale-Value] than purchasing anything FLEX.

However, if you are only getting 2-Weeks retro'd you are overspending. You need only spend $15K to retro 2-Contracts.
For $30K you could retro 5-Contracts [e.g. 5 x 2BR-EY-PLAT+ worth ~750K-SO].
 
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This is exactly what we were told at multiple Sales-Presentations [Vistana & Marriott].

When I asked "why should Vistana-Owners who purchased direct [Developer-Units] have to pay"?
We were told that Marriott did not merge with Vistana. Marriott purchased ILG for many millions of $$$ and Vistana-Owners [Developer/Resale Mandatory/Voluntary] would have to PURCHASE [not just pay an Enrollment-Fee] for the privilege of being able to access the Marriott-Resorts.

This is the justification they used last October to sell us a Hybrid-Package [Week + DCP that worked out to ~$6.90/DCP] with the assurance that the package would count toward the requirement to Enroll our Vistana-Units [Developer or Qualified ONLY] and thus we would not need to pay anything more for our Vistana-Units to participate in the new system.

Vistana-Sale [Corp] reconfirmed that this will be the same requirement on their end.
I have these in writing [at least in email response form].
Interesting, I guess self proclaimed “Marriott snobs” as one Marriott vacation worldwide sales rep put it, have a sense of entitlement and privilege. We’ve heard time and time again “this wasn’t a merger it was an acquisition and vistana people should have to pay”. It’s 2022….. I thought we were doing away with the whole privilege and entitlement thing……
 
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Interesting, I guess self proclaimed Marriott snobs as one Marriott vacation worldwide put it, have a sense of entitlement and privilege. We’ve heard time and time again “this wasn’t a merger it was an acquisition and vistana people should have to pay”. It’s 2022….. I thought we were doing away with the whole privilege and entitlement thing……
"Some are more equal than others." - George Orwell
 

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Wow. $17K for WKV [assuming PLAT+ 67100]. That's high.
We purchased 6 x 2BR-EY WKV-Platinum+ [148.1K] for an average of ~$12K [some for $10K and some of $13K/$14K].
These have risen a little since last year [even saw one go for $8K] on RedWeek. Current listings [if you can find one] on RedWeek seem to be pushing $20K.
It didn’t close for 8, it was listed for 8 but closed close to 12. I was part of that bidding war. Also the 20K units are being inflated by old WKV sales reps who have a corner on the market with their own resale business. I suspect they are picking off owners and buying the units then reselling them. They are actually buying, and transferring to their account then selling, not brokering a deal. It’s genius. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are asking people if they want out and offering a way out by taking their ownerships and then reselling.
 
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"Some are more equal than others." - George Orwell
that’s a fact. Starwood was better, Marriott just had more money. Can’t beat ‘em, take them over and bring them down.
 

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that’s a fact. Starwood was better, Marriott just had more money. Can’t beat ‘em, take them over and bring them down.
I have been a long time loyalist (hotel) of Westin and Marriott when I was travelling for business, I have always liked both equally, and that extends to timeshare. I don't think one is better than the other. Marriott is certainly more aggressive for its shareholders and bottom line.
 

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I have been a long time loyalist (hotel) of Westin and Marriott when I was travelling for business, I have always liked both equally, and that extends to timeshare. I don't think one is better than the other. Marriott is certainly more aggressive for its shareholders and bottom line.
I’d agree with that, they only care about the bottom line. I think this is why most people generally liked Starwood. I felt much more valued as a guest at a Starwood hotel without status than I’ve ever felt at a Marriott hotel with my titanium status. It seems the owners and sales reps of the marriott vacation club also have that same sentiment. “It doesn’t matter if you bought from some company years ago, we bought that company so now you have to pay us! But we get to take your weeks because we own you”….. well, I’m just glad I own in Florida and can walk away at any time I want.

with that being said, I’d rather stay at a Bonvoy branded hotel vs another brand with the exception of Hyatt. Same goes for Vistana and Marriott vacation club resorts.
 

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However, if you are only getting 2-Weeks retro'd you are overspending. You need only spend $15K to retro 2-Contracts.
For $30K you could retro 5-Contracts [e.g. 5 x 2BR-EY-PLAT+ worth ~750K-SO].

Yes, painfully aware. I wish we had had another Kierland 2BD platinum to retro, but I did not think I'd be able to acquire one resale and close on it before the hard launch. I was still of half a mind to try to do it and wait and see what shook out, but my husband said to just pull the trigger now. There were very few Kierland weeks in their inventory for resale and they were going quickly. They are also one of the few sites that can still sell these deeds because they are a portfolio site. We were close to doing a deal with a sales rep we had toured with at Sheraton Broadway Plantation. It was for the same number of points in Westin Flex, with the maintenance being almost double what it is for the Kierland small 1BD. I asked her if she could sell us a Kierland platinum deed for the small 1BD and she said they are not able to sell the deeded properties, only Flex. Ultimately, I was not really keen on purchasing the Flex product, especially with the higher maintenance.

This purchase gets us to 4*, which will be Presidential in Marriott, even though it only converts to 9,935 DC points. A lot of things factored into our decision:
1. Two sets of grandkids are getting older and this will give us more flexibility and variety in booking summer vacations on the East coast, where Vistana does not have many choices. Certainly, there will not be any new Vistana locations, whereas Marriott may continue to add resorts.
2. My son has expressed an interest in inheriting the Marriott ownership, and he will also have the added flexibility and benefits.
3. Keeping our options open if VSN inventory dries up at some point in the future.
4. Probably our one shot of getting the Presidential status, which does have some value to us.

They also included the option to purchase 6 Marriott Bonvoy Points promo certificates in the next two years ($2,275 per certificate, which gets you 330 K Bonvoy points). I doubt we will take advantage of this, since we don't really see the value.

I do agree with a previous poster that the attitude of some of the sales people is very offputting. We don't typically attend Owner Updates, but have been doing so for the past year or so to try to get information about the rollout of the combined program. Last year, at Ko'Olina, I asked about whether they would be getting rid of the exchange fee Vistana owners had to pay in II, which did not seem fair since Marriott owners got to exchange into Vistana for free. The sales rep stated that Marriott had acquired Vistana, not vice versa, and implied that we should be thrilled by the opportunity to stay at Marriott properties.
After that statement, I would NEVER have bought anything from him, even had he had a great deal to offer, which he did not.
 
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I’ve been traveling and mostly avoiding TUG over the last few weeks (amazing how relaxing that can be) and I’ve now tried to catch up on these various threads about the future of our ownerships. And… I see nothing from Marriott. I read many posts about the “soft” launch here and from other sources and yet…nothing official. Nothing from Marriott. It’s just amazing they have been able to convince so many without anything in writing and I’m sure they’ve had great sales.

If anything based what I’ve read so far, and unless I missed something, the info would not (yet) deter me from buying another mandatory week. For myself, that’s the most important question I have. Sure, inventory may reduce over time as more and more weeks get converted but I expect that won’t become an issue for many years.


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I thought i had read about new/updated/official information about the merger? if that is the case can someone point me to where that post starts?

id like to include it in the newsletter today if so.
 

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Has anyone been approached to upgrade Vistana membership adding the Marriott Vacation Club at a discount to cost once the merger is finalized?
 

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I thought i had read about new/updated/official information about the merger? if that is the case can someone point me to where that post starts?

id like to include it in the newsletter today if so.
No official announcement. Everything is just coming out of sales. Sales apparently has the official information.
 

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is there a post in this megathread that lists something new that would be worth putting in the newsletter for owners to read?

or no?
 

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One or two of us. :wall:

There is a lengthy thread on this topic. Hopefully a mod can move it there.
 

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ok, well perhaps next weeks newsletter then.
 

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is there a post in this megathread that lists something new that would be worth putting in the newsletter for owners to read?

or no?

It is all speculation so until there are facts in writing, no need to move to a new thread.

Maybe if there is a more narrow question to discuss about the potential Vistana/MVC integration, that could be a new thread. But it will still be speculation.

An interesting thread might be a new one with a survey question of choices of people prefer. Some answers could be.

-Stay the same (no MVC integration)
-Allow only qualified Vistana owners to elect DPs
-Allow all Vistana resale owners to elect DPs with no fee or low fee
-Other

Then people could post why they chose their answer and related comments to this question.

The answers to this question would interest me.
 
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is there a post in this megathread that lists something new that would be worth putting in the newsletter for owners to read?

or no?
There is a lot of speculation. The points charts have not been released for wide distribution, but they do have the Marriott DC charts that are now available in owners updates. I believe my post on Tuesday was the first to report an actual photo of a chart. We also are apparently able to now see how many DC points out Vistana weeks are worth.

There is still not any concrete information as to how resale weeks will be treated. Lots of speculation at this point.
 

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Interesting, I guess self proclaimed Marriott snobs as one Marriott vacation worldwide put it, have a sense of entitlement and privilege. We’ve heard time and time again “this wasn’t a merger it was an acquisition and vistana people should have to pay”. It’s 2022….. I thought we were doing away with the whole privilege and entitlement thing……

What is a self proclaimed Marriott snob? I own both a mandatory Vistana and MVC weeks and points. I paid to qualify my MVC resale weeks because I like the DP program. I would like the integration to allow me to elect DPs. Does that make me a snob?
 

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If MVC sales people are saying to buy more points now, this makes no sense unless they will enroll my resale Vistana week now.
 

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I think keeping this "speculation" thread going for now until we actually have solid, in writing, information available to all owners. Not just those that walk into a sales pitch.
 

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If MVC sales people are saying to buy more points now, this makes no sense unless they will enroll my resale Vistana week now.
I think Marriott sales telling people that if they buy DC points it will qualify a Vistana resale, but I have seen no proof of that. The only way to qualify a Vistana resale it to spend at least $10K on a Vistana product (week, or Flex) direct from Vistana.
 
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