I was talking to elite owner services yesterday and I asked about getting more information. The fellow I talked to said they have nothing and we need to get info from sales. I asked if he can put me in touch with someone in sales and he told me that due to where I live (Canada) they are not legally allowed to contact me. So I will continue to get what I can from all of you fellow TUGgers who are attending presentations! So thank you all!
Sadly this is how all timeshare outfits operate. They only provide information and pricing in a sales environment. Rarely will they let you walk out the door of the sale office with even a scrap of paper. People have to sneak photos while the salesperson is away. If you asked to take a photo or be able to record the sales meeting, they would ask you to leave. They don't want the information out there because under hard scrutiny, the numbers fall apart. So they use the information to make an uninformed sale based on one sided numbers that look good in the moment.
I suspect only sales have access to it at this time. My salesperson earlier this week said they had just been given access to the new conversion tool on Tuesday morning. He went and printed ours off - but only when I requested. So I do think it is a standard tool they now can use. He didn't alter it or try to make up a story about our resale mandatory unit. He did say that when the system went live the same information would be available in the Vistana dashboard.
Wait it out until an official announcement. If you bought developer, I suspect you will be able to use it without an additional purchase.
That’s a lie to get you to buy more points Which won’t work. But then again, they aren’t worried about savvy timeshare owners on TUG saying no and walking out. They have plenty of unsuspecting owners walking into owners updates daily ready to give back their ownership because a quick talking sales rep flapping his lips telling owners their ownerships are “outdated”. They confuse and lie to owners and before they know it, they are signing on the dotted line for another $20,000 mortgage. They don’t even know they can rescind the purchase when they walk out of the door. Marriott sales reps are absolutely worse than Westgate reps.
There is certainly the expected split between Marriott sales and Vistana sales when it comes to the merger. Marriott says no access without buying more points because that's what they sell. Vistana says access without a fee so buy more options and retro all your resales or get yourself to the next elite level. Unsurprising ;-)
It probably works on some people.
True, but I’d hope not that many
Not all MVC sales. The spiel I got was exactly the same as Vistana sales but the rationale for DC points purchase is to get access to DC Trust in addition to DC Exchange.
At what point does the DC trust inventory get filtered into the DC exchange? Layers upon layers that many vistana owners will have to understand when electing to convert.
I strongly suspect if you had done a presentation at Westin instead you'd have been told it was free - but that you should add flex because of <insert reason here> while you still can!
From what we can tell, DC Trust inventory gets dumped into the MVC Exchange Company very early. Perhaps it never sits there for trust bookings at all and is only available for MVC Exchange. We don't really know the actual answer to this because MVC won't share it with us. We can only go by reports made by people that own and make reservations with DC Trust points, the reservation confirmation emails indicate if it was trust or exchange inventory and everyone's emails within the past few years all indicate inventory is coming from the MVC Exchange inventory.
May I ask what they tried to sell Nanea, is it pts or deeded week? How much they asked for Nanea?
This is exactly what we were told at multiple Sales-Presentations [Vistana & Marriott].
We have little interest in Nanea so I don't recall the specifics ... he was selling it as points. The small side Platinum WKV he was selling for 17K.
Wow. $17K for WKV [assuming PLAT+ 67100]. That's high.
17k for Platinum+ WKV small 1br is too high. 2br WKV can be found at that price. All the information we have so far lead me to believe every Vistana owner has to purchase something in order to participate. I think the amount won't be too high, I'm guessing it will be around $10k for Flex or DC pts.
If you believe what the salesman said, yes that's correct. He said a $10,000 purchase (regardless of what the product was) would qualify the resale week. I was just surprised that DC points weren't avail for sale.
If your goal is to retro, by all mean, WKV platinum+ week is good choice. You don't lose that much value from the developer week. You should be able to find 2br WKV on redweek or ebay at this price range constantly.
And there's the rub, you have to decide if paying an extra $9-10K over resale prices to play in the Marriott is worth it.
17K for a resale should be easy. But the poster was being quoted a price to retro a week, and also 'qualify' for the DP program. That has a whole different value to consider.
Totally agree. Resale value for small 1br WKV 67k should be around $7k. You will lose about 10k from the moment you sign. Or you can buy $10k worth of Flex, and the resale value will be almost $0. And you don't get 67k pts with good MF ratio. For me, I probably go for $17k WKV if my goal is to retro.
