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[Closed - new thread started] Will Hawaii Open by [OCTOBER???] [Please use this thread for all Hawaii Coronavirus discussions]

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It is unclear to me how testing can be accomplished upon landing without creating huge crowds on the airport. To me it makes more sense to demand testing 2-3 days before departure and only ask those that do not have a valid certificate to be tested in Hawaii.

I believe I heard that to be a part of the plan but still in a non-committal way.
 

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It is unclear to me how testing can be accomplished upon landing without creating huge crowds on the airport.
Per the previously posted article - the sophisticated scanners will be at each gate and they will automatically scan you as you walk through the gate, so there should be no more line than usual.

To me it makes more sense to demand testing 2-3 days before departure and only ask those that do not have a valid certificate to be tested in Hawaii.
Per the previously posted article - Hawaii is already pursueing this, but how do you "demand," testing before departure when you have people coming from all over the world. There has to be someone in authority at the other end who agrees to it, pays for it, implements it, and monitors it.
 

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There is plenty of room for different people to have different risk/benefit views, and different levels of fear or concern. I think you are entirely right to want to avoid travel or flying, because it makes you uncomfortable right now. I'm less uncomfortable. I feel I can adequately protect myself now and, in fact, will NOW probably be much safer on a plane than I was a year ago when I did NOTHING to avoid infection from others and anyone could have anything OTHER than COVID and spread it to me.
It would make me chuckle to know you live in OC and that Ken is in LA
 

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It would make me chuckle to know you live in OC and that Ken is in LA
Nope, not OC. On the northern border of LA County. An hour drive from OC without traffic, about 2.5 hr most of the time.
 

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It would make me chuckle to know you live in OC and that Ken is in LA

Seriously off topic... but this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. And OC isn’t what you think it is any longer...


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Nope, not OC. On the northern border of LA County.

Ha! In that case, we are likely (almost) neighbors. :)


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Per the previously posted article - the sophisticated scanners will be at each gate and they will automatically scan you as you walk through the gate, so there should be no more line than usual.


Per the previously posted article - Hawaii is already pursueing this, but how do you "demand," testing before departure when you have people coming from all over the world. There has to be someone in authority at the other end who agrees to it, pays for it, implements it, and monitors it.
You don't really have to "demand" it. You just make it the ticket to avoiding quarantine. Granted there could be enforcement problems as the number of tourists increases, but that's still the answer. Come to Hawaii with proof of a negative test, proceed to enjoy your vacation. Come without it, and either get tested at the airport, or be placed in quarantine.
 

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Per the previously posted article - the sophisticated scanners will be at each gate and they will automatically scan you as you walk through the gate, so there should be no more line than usual.


Per the previously posted article - Hawaii is already pursueing this, but how do you "demand," testing before departure when you have people coming from all over the world. There has to be someone in authority at the other end who agrees to it, pays for it, implements it, and monitors it.

Agreed ! Its much easier to control things in your own state.. One of the articles i read mentioned d that Hawaii wanted the testing done in advance, with the result transmitted electronically to the airline. That sound great, but i don't even know where i would go for that kind of testing. My country offers the testing for free to residents, but i do not see "wanting to vacation in Hawaii" as one of the eligibility criteria ..... The private lab i use for most of my routine medical lab work does not covid testing, instead they refer you to free service....

Before testing in advance works, they need the infrastructure to actually do that..
 

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In my opinion, the overseeing agency would have to be at the Federal Level. TSA for domestic travel and Customs and Border patrol for international. Something similar to TSA precheck or Global entry. Just me 2 cents
 

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You don't really have to "demand" it. You just make it the ticket to avoiding quarantine. Granted there could be enforcement problems as the number of tourists increases, but that's still the answer. Come to Hawaii with proof of a negative test, proceed to enjoy your vacation. Come without it, and either get tested at the airport, or be placed in quarantine.

On one hand, some posters in this forum are requesting a quick open for Hawaii, but then they are proposing solutions which are not doable at this time. You can't have it both ways. ;)
 

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As a Californian that just visits Hawaii, it's hard for me to understand any restrictions on travel between islands at this point. It baffles me a bit as to what they are looking for before allowing that inasmuch as there hasn't been a case anywhere in Hawaii in several days (about 4). Seems they could eliminate that quarantine on a moment's notice.
I'm thinking that an issue with allowing inter-island travel has somewhat to do with the logistics of tracking people. What if someone flies from the mainland non-stop to Maui, stays overnight and flies out the following day to Lihue via HNL. Will there be the manpower to check every passenger arriving on an inter-island flight to verify how long they've been in the state? How would someone prove this? What if the person flying in from the mainland lives on Kauai and is just trying to avoid the quarantine? Sadly there are folks who will go to lengths to avoid rules and those folks make things harder on everyone else.
Seriously off topic... but this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. And OC isn’t what you think it is any longer...


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Seriously off topic... but this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. And OC isn’t what you think it is any longer...


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Yeah, sorry about that; it went that direction with the discussion of flying tolerance;)
 

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Per the previously posted article - the sophisticated scanners will be at each gate and they will automatically scan you as you walk through the gate, so there should be no more line than usual.

Anyone who has entered Hong Kong over the past several years has gone through something similar. Temperature checks are standard both at the airport and land border crossings.
 

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Anyone who has entered Hong Kong over the past several years has gone through something similar. Temperature checks are standard both at the airport and land border crossings.

Not when I flew into HK. No checks at all.


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Anyone who has entered Hong Kong over the past several years has gone through something similar. Temperature checks are standard both at the airport and land border crossings.
Problem with the scanners it that they only detect those that are already symptomatic, i.e. contagious. They may offer some element of protection, but it's nothing in comparison to testing. Hawaii just doesn't have the testing capacity that they need in order to safely open up. No matter how you slice it, all roads lead through testing.
 

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Not when I flew into HK. No checks at all.


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You may not have seen them - but they are there ;)
 

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Problem with the scanners it that they only detect those that are already symptomatic, i.e. contagious. They may offer some element of protection, but it's nothing in comparison to testing. Hawaii just doesn't have the testing capacity that they need in order to safely open up. No matter how you slice it, all roads lead through testing.

I realize it's not settled as to what stage a person becomes contagious. But it's not guaranteed that you would test postive if you are asymptomatic either. Testing, temperature checks, contact tracing apps and even just asking questions are simply screening devices. Temperature checks can be done on a massive scale, are not intrusive and can be implemented relatively quickly and inexpensively.

While it may make us feel good, testing everyone will not be feasible long run and doesn't make sense for travelers coming from low risk areas (which I would note most of the US mainland is not at this point).
 

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You don't really have to "demand" it. You just make it the ticket to avoiding quarantine. Granted there could be enforcement problems as the number of tourists increases, but that's still the answer. Come to Hawaii with proof of a negative test, proceed to enjoy your vacation. Come without it, and either get tested at the airport, or be placed in quarantine.
Hawaii does not have the ability to ban travel to the state. That would be interference in interstate commerce. Like every other state, they do have power to regulate the behavior of people once they enter the state, including quarantine. So when travelers arrive, what they can do is decide whom they can allow to enter without quarantine, and who needs to quarantine. Any testing/scanning program will be built around that.

If were in their situation, I think I would be looking to identify testing entities whose results are considered acceptable. I would also be thinking through some protocols. Is it an virus test or antibody test, and how would my response differ? How recent does the test have to be - and that will likely be different if it's an antibody or a virus presence test. What's the probability that it might be a false negative or positive, and under what circumstances should multiple test results be required to address the false postive/negative scenarios?

These are not easy questions and will require some time to set up and vet. But since Hawaii has elected to control COVID by isolation and quarantine techniques, those are critical questions to answer.
 

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You may not have seen them - but they are there ;)

I don't doubt that!

I definitely remember very visual checks in Hong Kong and Singapore during previous outbreaks like SARs and bird flu.
 

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The governor wants to open by July for Japan, Australia and New Zealand as they are lowest in cases.
 

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You may not have seen them - but they are there ;)

Perhaps. Just watched a video about this, but I certainly didn’t see anything.


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Per the previously posted article - the sophisticated scanners will be at each gate and they will automatically scan you as you walk through the gate, so there should be no more line than usual.
I must have missed that. I think a scanner can only check the temperature (that can be easily lowered with Advil) not whether a person is Covid-19 positive or not. The only way to determine it with a reasonable degree of certainty (70-80%?) is through a test and this can take a lot of time.
This is an article about the accuracy of the tests
 

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The governor wants to open by July for Japan, Australia and New Zealand as they are lowest in cases.
Do you have a citation for that?
 

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I must have missed that. I think a scanner can only check the temperature (that can be easily lowered with Advil) not whether a person is Covid-19 positive or not. The only way to determine it with a reasonable degree of certainty (70-80%?) is through a test and this can take a lot of time.
This is an article about the accuracy of the tests
Of course, but the current state plan is the scanners at every gate. There may be details out there about them, but I haven't seen them. I know it's some kind of imaging system.
 
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