Wyndham limiting access by non-owners during most sought-after dates/locations

[paxsarah]

New batch just dropped.

The following resorts and peak travel time periods will have limited access by guests for reservations made after October 20, 2021:

JAN. 1 - FEB. 28, 2022

Club Wyndham Clearwater Beach
Club Wyndham Royal Vista
Margaritaville Vacation Club by Wyndham - Nashville
Club Wyndham at Waikiki Beach Walk
Club Wyndham Sedona
Club Wyndham Royal Garden at Waikiki

The following resorts and peak travel time periods will have limited access by guests for reservations made after October 20, 2021:

FEB. 11 - 13, 2022

Club Wyndham Anaheim
Club Wyndham Harbour Lights
Club Wyndham Indio

The following resorts and peak travel time periods will have limited access by guests for reservations made after October 20, 2021:

MAR. 1 - APR. 30, 2022

Club Wyndham Clearwater Beach
Club Wyndham Royal Vista
Club Wyndham Waikiki Beach Walk
Club Wyndham Sedona
Club Wyndham Royal Garden at Waikiki

And the big one...

The following resorts and peak travel time periods will have limited access by guests for reservations made after October 20, 2021:

JUNE 1 - AUG. 15, 2022

Club Wyndham Ocean Boulevard
Club Wyndham at Majestic Sun
Club Wyndham Panama City Beach
Club Wyndham Glacier Canyon
Club Wyndham Branson at The Meadows
Club Wyndham Canterbury
Club Wyndham Harbour Lights
Club Wyndham Emerald Grande at Destin
Club Wyndham Clearwater Beach
Club Wyndham Royal Vista
Margaritaville Vacation Club by Wyndham - Nashville
Club Wyndham Waikiki Beach Walk
Club Wyndham Sedona
Club Wyndham Royal Garden at Waikiki
Club Wyndham Bonnet Creek

 

[Ty1on]

NM you were composing the rest of your post

 

[Sandi Bo]

Thanks for posting @paxsarah

 

[paxsarah]

Thanks for posting @paxsarah

I was tipped off by some all-caps outrage on Facebook.

 

[tschwa2]

Does that mean you can add a guest cert today if you aren't travelling?

 

[Sandi Bo]

Does that mean you can add a guest cert today if you aren't travelling?

That's my understanding. If you have something booked and expect a guest versus owner to use it, you should be able to add the guest certificate by midnight and it would be safe. Famous last words, we've heard of a few oops by Wyndham's computer system accidentally cancelling stuff it should not have.

 

[Jethro37]

Just so we're clear. Do all these blackouts apply to the 3rd guest certificate you issue at these times/locations each year? Will certain guest certificates not count against peak season restrictions?

 

[Sandi Bo]

Just so we're clear. Do all these blackouts apply to the 3rd guest certificate you issue at these times/locations each year? Will certain guest certificates not count against peak season restrictions?

The answer is probably. Until I can call Wyndham and they can tell me where I used my 2 GCs, or if I have one I can use, etc, I am not comfortable assuming anything is safe under the 2 allowable GC guidelines.

 

[PhilD41]

Well, I obviously have missed several updates... those from Sept and August. I believe I have updated my reservation checking tool accordingly. These last updates certainly killed a few of my rentals. I have no plans on canceling them until 15 days prior. Actually I think I may go book a few on key holidays just to hold till 15 days prior. I wonder if enough people played havoc on their inventory if they would end these shenanigans? I am getting tired enough of them to try. Sorry for the mini rant.

 

[tschwa2]

Well, I obviously have missed several updates... those from Sept and August. I believe I have updated my reservation checking tool accordingly. These last updates certainly killed a few of my rentals. I have no plans on canceling them until 15 days prior. Actually I think I may go book a few on key holidays just to hold till 15 days prior. I wonder if enough people played havoc on their inventory if they would end these shenanigans? I am getting tired enough of them to try. Sorry for the mini rant.

If enough people start doing that, my guess is they may start just keeping those reservations for extra holidays to rent out.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Well, I obviously have missed several updates... those from Sept and August. I believe I have updated my reservation checking tool accordingly. These last updates certainly killed a few of my rentals. I have no plans on canceling them until 15 days prior. Actually I think I may go book a few on key holidays just to hold till 15 days prior. I wonder if enough people played havoc on their inventory if they would end these shenanigans? I am getting tired enough of them to try. Sorry for the mini rant.

Totally get the frustration! Haven't seen you in a while. Welcome back to the thread, such as it is. I have stayed mostly away, just kind of watch things.

 

[rickandcindy23]

If enough people start doing that, my guess is they may start just keeping those reservations for extra holidays to rent out.

More power to 'em, and then regular owners will be upset.

 

[Sandy VDH]

Lucky that I do not have a single day of those restrictions booked. But then again, I did avoid even picking those in the first place, however that list was even broader than I would have thought.

 

[Sandi Bo]

If enough people start doing that, my guess is they may start just keeping those reservations for extra holidays to rent out.

Actually, doesn't all this make Extra Holidays even more worthless than many of us already thought it was? They are honoring the black out dates, as far as I know. It's preventing people from turning more sought after reservations to them. A hit for EH, and a hit for people who want to turn reservation over to EH. Probably doing them a favor, but still...

 

[chapjim]

Big difference between prior restrictions and this batch. Now they're blocking weeks, not weekends.

 

[CO skier]

March 16, 2021

How in the world does Clearwater not make this list, when its the hardest resort in the whole system to book?

March 16, 2021

How much availability is freed up through guest reservations at these resorts -- a few thousand? Whatever the number is, it is a drop in the bucket. Wyndham probably could have freed up as many reservations simply by eliminating guest reservations at Bonnet Creek and Glacier Canyon from mid-June to mid-August.

It is a strange, short list. I am not one for conspiracy theories, but could this be a trial balloon for a larger, permanent program at the most sought after locations and dates?

October 20, 2021

And the big one...

The following resorts and peak travel time periods will have limited access by guests for reservations made after October 20, 2021:

JUNE 1 - AUG. 15, 2022

Club Wyndham Ocean Boulevard
Club Wyndham at Majestic Sun
Club Wyndham Panama City Beach
Club Wyndham Glacier Canyon
Club Wyndham Branson at The Meadows
Club Wyndham Canterbury
Club Wyndham Harbour Lights
Club Wyndham Emerald Grande at Destin
Club Wyndham Clearwater Beach
Club Wyndham Royal Vista
Margaritaville Vacation Club by Wyndham - Nashville
Club Wyndham Waikiki Beach Walk
Club Wyndham Sedona
Club Wyndham Royal Garden at Waikiki
Club Wyndham Bonnet Creek

Clearwater is now on multiple guest restricted lists and Glacier Canyon and Bonnet Creek, among a number of other resorts, are restricted for the summer.

What an amazing coincidence.

 

[CO skier]

Actually I think I may go book a few on key holidays just to hold till 15 days prior. I wonder if enough people played havoc on their inventory if they would end these shenanigans?

Could it be that owners playing havoc with inventory through cancel/rebook/upgrade, points stripping from future years, building 60-million-resale-points businesses have led to the changes of the past few years. I doubt that more havoc will lead to less regulations.

 

[CO skier]

Actually I think I may go book a few on key holidays just to hold till 15 days prior. I wonder if enough people played havoc on their inventory if they would end these shenanigans?

If enough people start doing that, my guess is they may start just keeping those reservations for extra holidays to rent out.

I thought it was determined that Extra Holidays was honoring the same guest restrictions?

My guess is that if people started playing games with the 15-day cancellation window, Wyndham would extend the cancellation window to 30 days, like WorldMark, or even 45 or 60 days.

 

[HitchHiker71]

And the big one...

Is it just me, or are the date ranges and descriptions becoming more broad? How exactly do we interpret "The following resorts and peak travel time periods will have limited access by guests for reservations"? June 1 - Aug 15 is a broad date range. I recall last summer's ranges being more targeted primarily to holiday weeks and weekends over the summer peak season. Or am I not recalling correctly?

 

[tschwa2]

duplicate

 

[CO skier]

Is it just me, or are the date ranges and descriptions becoming more broad?

Clearly. Advantage Owners vs. Renters.

How exactly do we interpret "The following resorts and peak travel time periods will have limited access by guests for reservations"? June 1 - Aug 15 is a broad date range.

Presumably, just like the previous restricted dates; i.e., if any date of a guest reservation falls within these dates at these resorts, it is restricted.

 

[comicbookman]

Could it be that owners playing havoc with inventory through cancel/rebook/upgrade, points stripping from future years, building 60-million-resale-points businesses have led to the changes of the past few years. I doubt that more havoc will lead to less regulations.

It could, except that problem was solved, so the new restrictions are mostly just PR. You don't want people renting out there points, then enforce that. The new restrictions hit just as hard, if not harder on those of us who like to share our Wyndham points with our families. I routinely book multiple units at thanksgiving for myself and my extended family. No rentals, just us having our annual group holiday. Fortunately, there are usually enough owners on the account attending to cover, but some years not. The owner with only one or 2 names on their account could not do this. If they were truly targeting renters, they would crack down on renters. If they really like the current method, then we should be able to add family members without obligating them to ownership. Maybe x number of family per y number of points. You can avoid abuse by renters by limiting when members can be added or subtracted.

 

[Jethro37]

. The new restrictions hit just as hard, if not harder on those of us who like to share our Wyndham points with our families. I routinely book multiple units at thanksgiving for myself and my extended family. No rentals, just us having our annual group holiday.

I thought guests certificates where you were on site with them did not count toward these restrictions. Has that changed?

 

[HitchHiker71]

It could, except that problem was solved, so the new restrictions are mostly just PR. You don't want people renting out there points, then enforce that. The new restrictions hit just as hard, if not harder on those of us who like to share our Wyndham points with our families. I routinely book multiple units at thanksgiving for myself and my extended family. No rentals, just us having our annual group holiday. Fortunately, there are usually enough owners on the account attending to cover, but some years not. The owner with only one or 2 names on their account could not do this. If they were truly targeting renters, they would crack down on renters. If they really like the current method, then we should be able to add family members without obligating them to ownership. Maybe x number of family per y number of points. You can avoid abuse by renters by limiting when members can be added or subtracted.

This is why there was a recent Friends & Family survey that Wyndham has under consideration. The F&F program will address this gap - at least in part. I suspect the F&F program will be implemented sometime next year - but that's just speculation on my part to be clear.

 

[Lisa P]

I routinely book multiple units at thanksgiving for myself and my extended family. No rentals, just us having our annual group holiday. Fortunately, there are usually enough owners on the account attending to cover, but some years not. The owner with only one or 2 names on their account could not do this.

I thought guests certificates where you were on site with them did not count toward these restrictions. Has that changed?

You are correct. This has not changed. Comicbookman may continue to have multiple concurrent holiday reservations for groups traveling with him and GCs for their rooms. We do this as well and the GCs do not count against the 2 restricted GCs that we're allowed per year.