You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[Brett]

Here is another one. a top of the line Mercedes EV spontaneous combusting from its lithium battery in its owners driveway.

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And here's another daily (fossil fuel) explosion !


You're being lied to about the invisible killer !






November 1, 2024

Three injured in home explosion in Bellevue​

https://www.3newsnow.com/papillion-...-in-bellevue-injures-three-on-halloween-night

 

[easyrider]

Can you tell me where "most" pick up truck sales are in the USA? How about Subarus? Toyota Camrys?

Do you think California, Florida, and Texas might sell the most EVs because they are the the most populated states in the US?

Yes , I could tell you the state with all reported sales and even define it to brands. That's easy.

No on the thinking it's population because EV sales in these state have more to do with other things like service and infrastructure than population.

My point was that using global stats to boost perceived demand has nothing really to do with demand in North America.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

I came across this discussion on Shortwave radio this evening. I thought it was pretty interesting. It is about the EU adding tariffs to Chinese EV's. It is a roundtable discussion on a program called "The Point" and it's from China Radio International. There are some programs that they broadcast in English throughout the evening. It's definitely a different point of view.

I missed the first minute of the discussion. I thought of this threaded as I was listening. I thought some may be interested.

It's a bit hard to follow the discussion on my laptop. I know that China muscles in their ev's where ever they can. Portugal was kind of extorted into an EV deal with China. Chinese sales of ev's were lagging but a Chinese company is building infrastructure in Portugal so these cheap ev's are expected to dominate EV sales in Portugal.


Bill

Chinese electric cars undercutting rivals in Portugal

Despite the low price tags, the sale of Chinese cars continues to lag in Portugal.

www.theportugalnews.com

 

[HitchHiker71]

Yes , I could tell you the state with all reported sales and even define it to brands. That's easy.

No on the thinking it's population because EV sales in these state have more to do with other things like service and infrastructure than population.

My point was that using global stats to boost perceived demand has nothing really to do with demand in North America.

Bill

And yet demand here in America - as I already pointed out clearly - is increasing - since marketshare is rising every year - despite the sensationalist claims otherwise known as FUD.


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[slip]

It's a bit hard to follow the discussion on my laptop. I know that China muscles in their ev's where ever they can. Portugal was kind of extorted into an EV deal with China. Chinese sales of ev's were lagging but a Chinese company is building infrastructure in Portugal so these cheap ev's are expected to dominate EV sales in Portugal.


Bill

Chinese electric cars undercutting rivals in Portugal

Despite the low price tags, the sale of Chinese cars continues to lag in Portugal.

www.theportugalnews.com

When I listen to shortwave, I always use my headphones. It's just easier and I don't bother anyone else being in a condo.

 

[easyrider]

When I listen to shortwave, I always use my headphones. It's just easier and I don't bother anyone else being in a condo.

Me too. The music usually sounds better that way.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

And yet demand here in America - as I already pointed out clearly - is increasing - since marketshare is rising every year - despite the sensationalist claims otherwise known as FUD.


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There are 50 States. Yes, you have pointed out that EV sales are increasing but even so there are only around 3.3 million registered ev's in the USA. Compared to the 284 million register vehicles in the USA , the 3.3 million ev's represent just over 1% of total vehicle registrations. EV's are not really that big a thing when using this perspective.

Bill

 

[Carolinian]

Hertz has taken a major hit from its pioneering using EV's as rental cars and is now excelerating the selloff of its EV's mostly Tesla. Depreciation is a big factor. They are selling used Teslas under $20,000. They want to reduce their inventory to the point they only have enough EV's for those renters who specifically want EV's.

https://insideevs.com/news/740867/tesla-hertz-under-20k-sale/

 

[easyrider]

Hertz has taken a major hit from its pioneering using EV's as rental cars and is now excelerating the selloff of its EV's mostly Tesla. Depreciation is a big factor. They are selling used Teslas under $20,000. They want to reduce their inventory to the point they only have enough EV's for those renters who specifically want EV's.

https://insideevs.com/news/740867/tesla-hertz-under-20k-sale/

A friend of mine flew to Phoenix last week and rented a car. They had reserved a Ford Edge or similar but ended up with a Kona EV that needed to be charged every couple days or sooner. The entire ordeal of looking for a charger then spending the time to charge it was a real turn off.

Bill

 

[davidvel]

A friend of mine flew to Phoenix last week and rented a car. They had reserved a Ford Edge or similar but ended up with a Kona EV that needed to be charged every couple days or sooner. The entire ordeal of looking for a charger then spending the time to charge it was a real turn off.

Bill

Hertz does not force EVs on customers. The only way this happened is if they agreed. And no, this was not the last car on the Hertz lot in Phoenix. Fake news.

 

[DrQ]

Hertz has taken a major hit from its pioneering using EV's as rental cars and is now excelerating the selloff of its EV's mostly Tesla. Depreciation is a big factor. They are selling used Teslas under $20,000. They want to reduce their inventory to the point they only have enough EV's for those renters who specifically want EV's.

https://insideevs.com/news/740867/tesla-hertz-under-20k-sale/

I own a BEV and I would not accept a BEV as a rental. BEVs require a structured routine and planning. Being on vacation or on business is not the time to come up on the learning curve.

Hertz made some spectacularly bad business decisions. They sold off their fleet at the absolute lowest mark in the used car market. If they had held out, the rise in used car prices might have kept them out of bankruptcy. They had to rebuild their rental fleet during a new car shortage.

I suspect that they may have experimented with Tesla EVs in their fleet that at the time Tesla was ramping up production and they were available and thought that they could stand out from the competition.

 

[Brett]

Will America be prepared ............... ?


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[letsgobobby]

i haven't followed the Hertz story closely. I'm aware their big bet on EVs went south and they are dumping inventory.

I credit Hertz with persuading me to buy a Tesla. I rented one in San diego last year and was so impressed I started shopping for one. Bought a used MY3 long range with 25,000 miles for under $30,000 this summer and love it.

I think Hertz made a couple mistakes. First, they went all in as a market differentiator rather than just dipping their toe in the EV rental market. There is demand for EV rentals but it is a small percentage of total rentals. There is a learning curve and most renters don't want to deal with that on vacation. Current Tesla owners will rent if the supercharger network is good and gas prices are high - so a great option in SoCal, not so great in west Texas. I don't know if Hertz made that distinction. Second, they mostly bought standard range models. Those vehicles are taking a huge hit on the resale market because improving battery technology means most new EVs have 300+ miles of range. Short range is not a problem if you are renting to drive around LA or Miami where there are lots of Superchargers but most people want to own a long range model.

for me a long range MY3 with 25k miles is well worth $30k whereas I would not pay $20k for a MY3 standard range, especially with 120,000 miles like Hertz is selling.

 

[emeryjre]

Hertz was not ready to rent EV's
Many locations did not have charger facilities
Were unable to deliver a fully charged EV in the early days
The first 1/2 hour in an EV is a major learning experience for drivers
Resulted in minor accidents and damaged body parts with no way to repair
It was a major misstep for Hertz in many ways
For many reasons

 

[easyrider]

Hertz does not force EVs on customers. The only way this happened is if they agreed. And no, this was not the last car on the Hertz lot in Phoenix. Fake news.

What makes you think it's Hertz ? I'm not sure where they rented the car other than Phoenix but he complained about it on Facebook everytime he had to recharge it.

I rented a mid sized car in Hawaii and ended up with a Honda Hybrid that I didn't like at all. The engine would turn off when I stopped and the first few times it did this I thought the engine had died. It also tried to steer. I get that turning off the engine saves gas but starting an engine so many times has to be bad for the engine because there would be a lubrication problem unless they have an electric oil pump which I doubt.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

I credit Hertz with persuading me to buy a Tesla. I rented one in San diego last year and was so impressed I started shopping for one. Bought a used MY3 long range with 25,000 miles for under $30,000 tiff summer and love it.

I know a couple of realtors with your same story of renting a Tesla before buying one. Both of these realtors have to drive to their office and to meet clients regularly. One of the guys is a guy I Jeep who says the Tesla is also good as a conversation maker when meeting new clients. I think both of these people did a rent to own thing with Hertz. Both are very happy with their Teslas from what I can tell. They both received whatever tax breaks were available for their llc's and I think were able to use the section 179 to write off the car.

Bill

 

[letsgobobby]

What makes you think it's Hertz ? I'm not sure where they rented the car other than Phoenix but he complained about it on Facebook everytime he had to recharge it.

I rented a mid sized car in Hawaii and ended up with a Honda Hybrid that I didn't like at all. The engine would turn off when I stopped and the first few times it did this I thought the engine had died. It also tried to steer. I get that turning off the engine saves gas but starting an engine so many times has to be bad for the engine because there would be a lubrication problem unless they have an electric oil pump which I doubt.

Bill

this is sop for hybrids and hybrids from toyota and honda have excellent reliability. your "lubrication problem" is a strawman that engineers solved for hybrids decades ago.

 

[davidvel]

What makes you think it's Hertz ? I'm not sure where they rented the car other than Phoenix but he complained about it on Facebook everytime he had to recharge it.

I rented a mid sized car in Hawaii and ended up with a Honda Hybrid that I didn't like at all. The engine would turn off when I stopped and the first few times it did this I thought the engine had died. It also tried to steer. I get that turning off the engine saves gas but starting an engine so many times has to be bad for the engine because there would be a lubrication problem unless they have an electric oil pump which I doubt.

Bill

Because you were replying to a comment about Hertz, but the company doesn't matter. Phoenix has a huge shared lot and no way they ran out of ICE vehicles in early November. Neither your friend nor you were forced to take the vehicle you "ended up with."
Nearly every if not all autostart cars have a button to turn the feature off. Very simple. Also, almost all decent models of any recent vintage have some form of LKA, "autosteer", lane departure, etc. Again, easily turned off with a button press. None of these features have anything to do with ICE vs. non-ICE, so not sure why you brought it up in this thread.

Still, your opinions are far astray from fact and reality.

 

[Chrispee]

For those interested in real world EV experiences, today I’m using my new Ford Lightning to tow/haul 5000lbs just over 200kms. The trailer did bring my range down significantly (around 35%).

Interesting takeaways for me were that aerodynamics appear to be more of a factor than weight as my unloaded trailer only got marginally better range than when I was loaded up. Only variable was that I started out with a cold battery as I didn’t precondition so maybe that had something to do with it.

We now have time of use billing from our electrical provider so this trip comes in at around $6 in power. My previous pickup, a Ram 3500 Diesel Cummins, would have been over $60 for the trip.

Definitely the Lightning isn’t as capable towing heavy as the HD Ram was, but for a medium duty job like this the Lightning was great. Only a bit of range anxiety starting out since it was my first time towing with it.

 

[Brett]

For those interested in real world EV experiences, today I’m using my new Ford Lightning to tow/haul 5000lbs just over 200kms. The trailer did bring my range down significantly (around 35%).

Interesting takeaways for me were that aerodynamics appear to be more of a factor than weight as my unloaded trailer only got marginally better range than when I was loaded up. Only variable was that I started out with a cold battery as I didn’t precondition so maybe that had something to do with it.

We now have time of use billing from our electrical provider so this trip comes in at around $6 in power. My previous pickup, a Ram 3500 Diesel Cummins, would have been over $60 for the trip.

Definitely the Lightning isn’t as capable towing heavy as the HD Ram was, but for a medium duty job like this the Lightning was great. Only a bit of range anxiety starting out since it was my first time towing with it.

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I'm not totally EV yet but enjoying my Honda hybrid

 

[DrQ]

I rented a mid sized car in Hawaii and ended up with a Honda Hybrid that I didn't like at all. The engine would turn off when I stopped and the first few times it did this I thought the engine had died.

You need to look for the following button on the dash to defeat the Auto Stop/Start:

The A surrounded by a circle.

Every time I drive our GV70 to keep the battery charged, I have to remind myself to; "Push the damn button!"

 

[DrQ]

nice

I'm not totally EV yet but enjoying my Honda hybrid

Is it a PHEV? (Plug in)

 

[Brett]

You need to look for the following button on the dash to defeat the Auto Stop/Start:

The A surrounded by a circle.

Every time I drive our GV70 to keep the battery charged, I have to remind myself to; "Push the damn button!"

But of course, it was not a hybrid - just the auto idle stop

 

[Brett]

Is it a PHEV? (Plug in)

2024 CR-V - not a plug-in


https://automobiles.honda.com/cr-v

 

[DrQ]

But of course, it was not a hybrid - just the auto idle stop

Hybrid or ICE, all cars now have this "feature"