You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[Brett]

Hybrid or ICE, all cars now have this "feature"

yes --- but the hybrid car doesn't "turn off" when stopped or idling

 

[DrQ]

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[youppi]

For those interested in real world EV experiences, today I’m using my new Ford Lightning to tow/haul 5000lbs just over 200kms. The trailer did bring my range down significantly (around 35%).

Interesting takeaways for me were that aerodynamics appear to be more of a factor than weight as my unloaded trailer only got marginally better range than when I was loaded up. Only variable was that I started out with a cold battery as I didn’t precondition so maybe that had something to do with it.

We now have time of use billing from our electrical provider so this trip comes in at around $6 in power. My previous pickup, a Ram 3500 Diesel Cummins, would have been over $60 for the trip.

Definitely the Lightning isn’t as capable towing heavy as the HD Ram was, but for a medium duty job like this the Lightning was great. Only a bit of range anxiety starting out since it was my first time towing with it.

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What was the energy consumption when you tow in kWh/100km and also when you are unloaded ?

 

[Brett]

7 Top SUVs Without Auto Start-Stop (With Pictures) - Engine Patrol

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Probably all the older ICE vehicles now have this feature

But hybrid cars are all electric when stopped / idling (and starting) and are still "on"

(I used to have a 2021 Honda CRV and 2021 Toyota /Highlander with the auto idle stop feature back in the old pre-hybrid days)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start-stop_system

 

[easyrider]

Because you were replying to a comment about Hertz, but the company doesn't matter. Phoenix has a huge shared lot and no way they ran out of ICE vehicles in early November. Neither your friend nor you were forced to take the vehicle you "ended up with."
Nearly every if not all autostart cars have a button to turn the feature off. Very simple. Also, almost all decent models of any recent vintage have some form of LKA, "autosteer", lane departure, etc. Again, easily turned off with a button press. None of these features have anything to do with ICE vs. non-ICE, so not sure why you brought it up in this thread.

Still, your opinions are far astray from fact and reality.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

Probably all the older ICE vehicles now have this feature

But hybrid cars are all electric when stopped / idling (and starting) and are still "on"

(I used to have a 2021 Honda CRV and 2021 Toyota /Highlander with the auto idle stop feature back in the old pre-hybrid days)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start-stop_system

When the Honda turned the engine off when I stopped at a traffic signal entering the freeway from the airport I thought it died and pushed the button to start it. It didn't seem to start but I think it was running on the battery. It really wasn't the best time to figure crap out. If it were my own vehicle I would have taken the time to figure it out but it was a rental and my first time out with a hybrid. I really didn't like it at all.

Bill

 

[Chrispee]

What was the energy consumption when you tow in kWh/100km and also when you are unloaded ?

Unloaded I was averaging just under 30kwh per 100kms. Unfortunately when I left at 6am this morning I didn’t have the wherewithal to reset the trip computer so I don’t have my towing data. I’m home now so I can confirm I used 85kwh to go 205kms . So approximately 41kwh per 100kms.

Exactly half of the trip was hauling 5000lbs and the other half was just hauling my 1000lbs empty trailer. A little frivolous energy consumption included in the total because my trip involved 3 hours of sitting with the heat on while I was on a ferry.

 

[Brett]

When the Honda turned the engine off when I stopped at a traffic signal entering the freeway from the airport I thought it died and pushed the button to start it. It didn't seem to start but I think it was running on the battery. It really wasn't the best time to figure crap out. If it were my own vehicle I would have taken the time to figure it out but it was a rental and my first time out with a hybrid. I really didn't like it at all.

Bill

But it wasn't a hybrid !

You got confused (again!) Bill

With hybrids one doesn't notice the engine turning off (or on) - mostly likely this is when you first encountered a gas car with the idle stop feature and thought it was a "hybrid"

 

[Elan]

I'd like to try a BEV, but no way am I renting one while on vacation. Don't want to deal with the learning curve nor, especially, the infrastructure limitations/inconveniences. On vacation, BEV almost certainly lose one of their main advantages of charging at home. Lastly, I'm unlikely to drive enough miles to really care about efficiency.
I suppose I could rent one for a week locally.

 

[HitchHiker71]

I'd like to try a BEV, but no way am I renting one while on vacation. Don't want to deal with the learning curve nor, especially, the infrastructure limitations/inconveniences. On vacation, BEV almost certainly lose one of their main advantages of charging at home. Lastly, I'm unlikely to drive enough miles to really care about efficiency.
I suppose I could rent one for a week locally.

It all depends on the resort - many vacation spots have local L2 chargers that can be used. Most of the Wyndham timeshare resorts that we frequent have local L2 chargers that are either free or inexpensive to use. For example, Wyndham Shawnee has a local L2 charger that is around $0.18/kw to use. Old Town Alexandria has L2 chargers in the parking garage that are free to use. Wyndham Bentley Brook has free L2 chargers. I'd agree - if you have never used a BEV before, vacation probably isn't the best time to attempt to do so for the first time, unless you go into it with eyes wide open, and there are L3 chargers close by in the immediate area that can be used easily. Personally, I'd literally never rent a BEV that doesn't have access to the Tesla SC network. The examples that @easyrider provided above simply don't happen with the Tesla SC network - only third party chargers come with those headaches. I've literally never used a third party L3 charger in our 1.5 years of BEV ownership, it's just not worth the hassle. This is one of many reasons why Tesla is so far ahead of the competition.

 

[easyrider]

But it wasn't a hybrid !

You got confused (again!) Bill

With hybrids one doesn't notice the engine turning off (or on) - mostly likely this is when you first encountered a gas car with the idle stop feature and thought it was a "hybrid"

It was a Honda Accord hybrid. You are right, I didn't notice the engine had turned off by itself. I thought it died at the intersection. I did get the hang of driving the Accord because I rented it for a month. It did get great gas mileage. It also had features like slowing down in traffic or shaking the steering wheel which I didn't like but got use to.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

This is one of many reasons why Tesla is so far ahead of the competition.

In California, Florida and Texas there is plenty of Tesla infrastructure but not so much everywhere else. The few people I know in Central Washington with a Tesla pretty much do all of their charging at home. They aren't taking these on long road trips.

Most of the Wyndham timeshare resorts that we frequent have local L2 chargers

We were at WM Angel Camp and noticed they had one EV charger and more than a few people wanting to use it. I'm not wanting to wait around to charge an EV especially on a trip.

Bill

 

[davidvel]

Dave, I really think you don't know what you are talking about and of course you want to weigh in with your thoughts that you actually know what anyone thinks or should think. Here is another FB report from a different friend on the same trip.

Why would anyone in their right mind want to rent an EV while on a trip. Have you considered the fact that when you rent a car you probably aren't going to research how to disable features ? Nothing you said makes me like this feature. I brought it up because it's something I didn't like about the hybrid we rented and I can care less what you think about it. So there, lol.

Bill

So landed in AZ Thursday / sky harbor / went to Avis for my preordered car which was supposed to be a Toyota Camry

right ? F**k No / I got a Hyundai ionic 5 electric car. It’s cool cuz usually Avis is a *bleep* show and at least I got a car which usually is not the case / never use Avis . So fast forward we are down to 50% on the battery , you think there is a charging station around here for an ionic 5 ohhhhHELL NO . So we had to go 15 miles to a windco store that had these EV GO charge station . - and the damned thing don’t work , dude next to me was charging his EV mustang . Anyway had to call a number join this stupid EV GO deal for 60 bucks then they will charge it. As I was about to turn it on the dude I was talking to hung up , “bad connection to Bangladesh I’m assuming” and dude next to me had his car charging process stopped by hodgy the magic carpet rider / what a *bleep* show / then had to go thru the entire process again and was on the phone for 30 minutes and finally it was charging for another 30 minutes . All the while I’m apologetic to the dude in the mustang Who in there right mind wants one of these F$(;ing things , not my internal combustion Engine ass ! Give me my gas powered Chevy ford or whatever!

Drop !!!

This is really sad now Bill. "[A]nother FB report from a different friend on the same trip." OK, you have a 2nd friend on the same trip who accepted an EV then complained about it and posted on Facebook? You are doubling down on the lies.
If this is your friend, I now understand where you get your "facts." It looks a lot like an Instagram post, though. Strange, you didn't even like his post!?!?

Regardless, I see nothing in the rant that supports your claim that they were forced to take this car by Avis. Clearly this guy is not capable of navigating modern life. Lots of people rent EVs, but it is their choice.

 

[PigsDad]

In California, Florida and Texas there is plenty of Tesla infrastructure but not so much everywhere else.

These are just the Tesla Supercharger locations, not all the places you could charge a Tesla. You might want to update where you get your information...

Kurt

 

[davidvel]

These are just the Tesla Supercharger locations, not all the places you could charge a Tesla. You might want to update where you get your information...

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Kurt

He gets his information from the interwebs, or just makes it up.

 

[HitchHiker71]

In California, Florida and Texas there is plenty of Tesla infrastructure but not so much everywhere else. The few people I know in Central Washington with a Tesla pretty much do all of their charging at home. They aren't taking these on long road trips.

Funny, I don't live in those three states, I live on the other side of the country, yet we take road trips quite often in our MY LR with no issues using the Telsa SC network nor any issues with over-utilization of said SC network. We have taken up to 600 mile road trips, with again no issues, and we tied the best time we ever made in our ICE pickup on the way home the last time even with three charging stops. Seems my real world experience doesn't compare well with your internet talking points.

We were at WM Angel Camp and noticed they had one EV charger and more than a few people wanting to use it. I'm not wanting to wait around to charge an EV especially on a trip.

Bill

Wait around? You don't use L2 chargers until you get to the resort and park, and you charge in the evening hours or overnight into the following day. On occasion I've had to wait before a slot frees up - but if we're not going anywhere it's not a big deal - I just park nearby and use the cameras in the Tesla to watch remotely until a spot frees up - then go use the L2 charger. If you need to charge to go other places in the interim then you simply add your destinations to the app navigation and the system will automagically route you to a Tesla SC charger on the way - and it'll even tell you how many stalls are in use at that moment and how many stalls will be in use upon arrival - since all of that data is tracked and managed by the system. Easy peasy.

 

[easyrider]

This is really sad now Bill. "[A]nother FB report from a different friend on the same trip." OK, you have a 2nd friend on the same trip who accepted an EV then complained about it and posted on Facebook? You are doubling down on the lies.
If this is your friend, I now understand where you get your "facts." It looks a lot like an Instagram post, though. Strange, you didn't even like his post!?!?

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Regardless, I see nothing in the rant that supports your claim that they were forced to take this car by Avis. Clearly this guy is not capable of navigating modern life. Lots of people rent EVs, but it is their choice.

Who said anyone was forced to accept anything ? It kind of pissed me off a bit that you would disparage a friend of mine but that is just how you are. Your demeanor is really that of an a** with a thorn in your brain.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

These are just the Tesla Supercharger locations, not all the places you could charge a Tesla. You might want to update where you get your information...

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Kurt

Kurt, do you realize those big dots represent so much less than a pin point ? California has the most Tesla super charger facilities with a woping 366 stations throughout the entire state. In contrast , Washington has 28 Tesla stations in the entire state. Maybe you can start posting in big text to get your point across, lol.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

Funny, I don't live in those three states, I live on the other side of the country, yet we take road trips quite often in our MY LR with no issues using the Telsa SC network nor any issues with over-utilization of said SC network.

You are a Tesla enthusiast and took the time to figure it out so good on you. Most people, including me, don't want to figure ev's out or spend the extra time to charge, imo.

Bill

 

[davidvel]

Who said anyone was forced to accept anything ? It kind of pissed me off a bit that you would disparage a friend of mine but that is just how you are. Your demeanor is really that of an a** with a thorn in your brain.

Bill

You posted that they had reserved but ended up with an EV, as if they didn't have a choice. If they had chosen the EV your post (and theirs) makes even less sense. How did I disparage your friend? I posted a public internet comment that you had quoted.

My demeanor? You're the one that said the guy who claimed that first responders, school personnel and parents of 20 kids who were massacred were involved in a "giant hoax" and it was "completely fake", is protected by the first amendment.

 

[easyrider]

You posted that they had reserved but ended up with an EV, as if they didn't have a choice. If they had chosen the EV your post (and theirs) makes even less sense. How did I disparage your friend? I posted a public internet comment that you had quoted.

My demeanor? You're the one that said the guy who claimed that first responders, school personnel and parents of 20 kids who were massacred were involved in a "giant hoax" and it was "completely fake", is protected by the first amendment.

Your reading comprehension is amazing bruh. I don't know or care what you are talking about but neither do you is what I think.

Bill

 

[davidvel]

Your reading comprehension is amazing bruh. I don't know or care what you are talking about but neither do you is what I think.

Bill

I guess you've forgotten your post in the Onion Infowars thread.

 

[easyrider]

I guess you've forgotten your post in the Onion Infowars thread.

I really don't know why anything I posted there is a problem for you.

Bill

 

[HitchHiker71]

You are a Tesla enthusiast and took the time to figure it out so good on you. Most people, including me, don't want to figure ev's out or spend the extra time to charge, imo.

Bill

You don't have to figure anything out - you input your navigation destination, and the system automagically routes you to Tesla SC stations when needed. Only with non-Tesla brands do you have to figure anything out. If you've ever used navigation in ICE vehicles, or on your smartphone, you already know how to do this. I'm not saying the Tesla isn't different than other vehicles, it takes a bit of getting used to. My wife is not a techie by any means, and she doesn't do well with techie stuff, yet within a day or two she had completely adapted to her Tesla and will never consider another ICE vehicle from this point forward. The Tesla ecosystem is, by far, IMHO, the easiest to use and much better than any other BEV on the market today, which is once again why I'd never buy a non-Tesla BEV, just one of many reasons.

 

[davidvel]

You don't have to figure anything out - you input your navigation destination, and the system automagically routes you to Tesla SC stations when needed. Only with non-Tesla brands do you have to figure anything out. If you've ever used navigation in ICE vehicles, or on your smartphone, you already know how to do this. I'm not saying the Tesla isn't different than other vehicles, it takes a bit of getting used to. My wife is not a techie by any means, and she doesn't do well with techie stuff, yet within a day or two she had completely adapted to her Tesla and will never consider another ICE vehicle from this point forward. The Tesla ecosystem is, by far, IMHO, the easiest to use and much better than any other BEV on the market today, which is once again why I'd never buy a non-Tesla BEV, just one of many reasons.

Certainly the best. But to be fair, other manufacturers' tech is getting a lot better at this.