You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

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[davidvel]

Actually, the term for the action is "rolling coal"; they don't say the vehicle is a "coal burner" (kind of a big difference, IMO). They call it "rolling coal" because it looks like a big cloud of coal dust, and smells like it as well.

Kurt

Which is why it is a meme, most of which are stupid and based on lack of logic and accurate facts. (But they are funny, the kids say.)

They think diesel exhaust looks and smells like coal, so they create a false narrative with a catchy photo or video linking the truck to coal. Morons then see said meme and think the truck runs on coal. The stupidity circle is complete.

 

[HitchHiker71]

Tesla's are among the least stolen vehicles from actual theft report data:

https://insideevs.com/news/693376/tesla-among-least-stolen-vehicles-us-report/

This is because they are SDVs - and short of putting them onto a flatbed - you aren't going to steal the vehicle. Couple that with Sentry mode, embedded GPS and driving codes, and the vehicle becomes almost impossible to steal, and even if stolen, the vehicle cannot be used once stolen.

 

[easyrider]

Which is why it is a meme, most of which are stupid and based on lack of logic and accurate facts. (But they are funny, the kids say.)

They think diesel exhaust looks and smells like coal, so they create a false narrative with a catchy photo or video linking the truck to coal. Morons then see said meme and think the truck runs on coal. The stupidity circle is complete.

It's because the exhaust is black as coal is why they call it rolling coal. Mine spews the rolling coal between shits in the winter using the winter blend diesel.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

Tesla's are among the least stolen vehicles from actual theft report data:

https://insideevs.com/news/693376/tesla-among-least-stolen-vehicles-us-report/

This is because they are SDVs - and short of putting them onto a flatbed - you aren't going to steal the vehicle. Couple that with Sentry mode, embedded GPS and driving codes, and the vehicle becomes almost impossible to steal, and even if stolen, the vehicle cannot be used once stolen.

The ability to disable the Tesla remotely isn't really a selling point, imo. Tesla's can be stolen using a cheap hack. As soon as the hack doesn't work another hack probably will.

Bill

https://www.livescience.com/technol...-exposing-major-security-flaws-in-the-vehicle

'White hat hackers' carjacked a Tesla using cheap, legal hardware — exposing major security flaws in the vehicle​

News
By Nicholas Fearn
published March 23, 2024
Security researchers used a $169 Flipper Zero device and a Wi-Fi development board to obtain a driver's credentials, break into a Tesla Model 3 and drive away.

 

[davidvel]

The ability to disable the Tesla remotely isn't really a selling point, imo. Tesla's can be stolen using a cheap hack. As soon as the hack doesn't work another hack probably will.

Bill

https://www.livescience.com/technol...-exposing-major-security-flaws-in-the-vehicle

'White hat hackers' carjacked a Tesla using cheap, legal hardware — exposing major security flaws in the vehicle​

News
By Nicholas Fearn
published March 23, 2024
Security researchers used a $169 Flipper Zero device and a Wi-Fi development board to obtain a driver's credentials, break into a Tesla Model 3 and drive away.

If you understood the article you would know and have posted that this has nothing to do with it being an EV. Many ICE vehicles have similar remote unlock and start capabilities accessed via the web. All the hackers did was to obtain the owners login credentials via a fake web portal. Nothing specific to EVs involved here, just a simple website credential hijack.

Another misrepresentation to support your beliefs.

 

[HitchHiker71]

If you understood the article you would know and have posted that this has nothing to do with it being an EV. Many ICE vehicles have similar remote unlock and start capabilities accessed via the web. All the hackers did was to obtain the owners login credentials via a fake web portal. Nothing specific to EVs involved here, just a simple website credential hijack.

Another misrepresentation to support your beliefs.

Exactly, anyone who knows anything about internet security knows to never use login credentials on an illegitimate website - which is required for this or any other type of hack to work - and besides - all this hack does is get the virtual key - which still doesn’t allow them to drive the vehicle anywhere unless they also input the unique driving code to enable the vehicle itself. They are dead in the water sitting in a vehicle that won't move without providing the unique driving security code - which has nothing to do with the virtual key used to enter the vehicle itself.

The theft statistics speak for themselves really - regardless of the FUD.


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[easyrider]

If you understood the article you would know and have posted that this has nothing to do with it being an EV. Many ICE vehicles have similar remote unlock and start capabilities accessed via the web. All the hackers did was to obtain the owners login credentials via a fake web portal. Nothing specific to EVs involved here, just a simple website credential hijack.

Another misrepresentation to support your beliefs.

@HitchHiker71 said Tesla's can't be stolen. The article I posted says they can be stolen. What you are now saying is all ev's have this vulnerability.

The other issue with ev's are they can be hacked at most public chargers.

Bill

https://cluballiance.aaa.com/the-extra-mile/advice/car/can-electric-cars-be-hacked

But the surge in electric car sales also provides a new opportunity for cybercriminals. Yes, electric vehicles can be hacked, and the high-tech scammers behind these cyberattacks will gladly use your EV and public charging stations to steal your personal and financial information or even disable your car or truck.

 

[RENTER]

I wonder how many of those with electric cars and have fled or are now fleeing the south from the storms would buy that car again. I am very happy with my Hybrid that can go 600 miles with a 15-gallon gas tank. It is not a plug in. Cost much less than a plug in and all electric vehicles.

With the savings in gas and the mileage write off for business use it will pay for itself in 4 years.

 

[HitchHiker71]

@HitchHiker71 said Tesla's can't be stolen. The article I posted says they can be stolen. What you are now saying is all ev's have this vulnerability.

The other issue with ev's are they can be hacked at most public chargers.

Bill

https://cluballiance.aaa.com/the-extra-mile/advice/car/can-electric-cars-be-hacked

But the surge in electric car sales also provides a new opportunity for cybercriminals. Yes, electric vehicles can be hacked, and the high-tech scammers behind these cyberattacks will gladly use your EV and public charging stations to steal your personal and financial information or even disable your car or truck.

Show me where I said they cannot be stolen please? I said they are the least stolen vehicles as evidenced by rates of theft by insurance companies - that's a simple fact - and that they are almost impossible to steal when set up correctly and owned by someone that has a brain and doesn't click on illegitimate websites that steal their credentials, and then doesn't immediately change their password after the fact and remove any rogue virtual keys - which is also easily done - and also doesn't use the vehicle PIN to drive security codes that prevents using the vehicle even if access is gained into the passenger compartment, which you would know if you actually ever owned a Tesla as opposed to using talking points from the interweb. For those who aren't aware:

This code isn't something that can be stolen via any high-tech scammers unless you are dumb enough to give it away quite frankly (just as if people are gullible enough to give away their website credentials due to phishing emails).

The article you posted above doesn't apply to Tesla Superchargers either - since there are no payment processors or screens on Tesla chargers that can be intercepted to attempt to steal personal and/or financial information - it's simple plug and play - and all handled on the back end via secure wired connections that the station itself uses. You literally pull up to the Supercharger, exit your vehicle, plug it in, get back in your vehicle. You never pull out any payment method or anything else - that's all configured in advance within the Tesla app securely - and that data is held on the back end by Tesla - and is used to facilitate payment once your charging session is complete. Again, you provide zero personal and/or financial data at the Supercharger station - unlike almost every other L3 public charger - where you have to swipe a card or provide other data to start a session - which is where the risk comes into play that your article outlines. Doesn't apply to Tesla. That's why Tesla is by far the most reliable, secure, and easiest to use L3 public charging system on the planet bar none.

@davidvel said many cars, and particularly any newer cars have this same vulnerability. Most newer cars today have apps/websites that can be used to control remote access to the vehicle. Heck, my 2018 RAM 1500 has this functionality and it's seven years old now. I can remotely unlock my RAM, remotely start my RAM, etc., all via an app. The only difference is - once that thief gets into your ICE vehicle - they can likely bypass the remaining blockers and get your vehicle started and drive away - good luck doing the same in a Tesla.

Lastly, I'm not saying things cannot be hacked, I'm saying it's not nearly as easy as articles like you've provided let on - otherwise everyone would be doing it - and the theft stats clearly show this isn't the case - at least not yet - though if I were a betting man I'd go so far as to say it's more likely the legacy manufacturers will suffer from issues like this when compared to Tesla or Rivian for example, who are actually building SDVs, as opposed to electrified ICE vehicles.

 

[geist1223]

So after over 1,000 Posts has anyone changed their minds about EV vs ICE Vehicles?

 

[TUGBrian]

think someone mentioned earlier they had certainly learned a few things!

 

[Brett]

So after over 1,000 Posts has anyone changed their minds about EV vs ICE Vehicles?

Probably not.

 

[easyrider]

So after over 1,000 Posts has anyone changed their minds about EV vs ICE Vehicles?

We have. Definitely considering a Lexus Hybrid. Definitely not considering a bev of any kind.

Bill

 

[DrQ]

I wonder how many of those with electric cars and have fled or are now fleeing the south from the storms would buy that car again. I am very happy with my Hybrid that can go 600 miles with a 15-gallon gas tank. It is not a plug in. Cost much less than a plug in and all electric vehicles.

If I lived in a coastal area subject to hurricanes and flooding, I would not own a BEV. I would not try to evacuate in a BEV.

I have never said that BEVs are right for everyone.

 

[easyrider]

@davidvel said many cars, and particularly any newer cars have this same vulnerability.

@davidvel hasn't taken into consideration is that ev's take longer to charge than to gas up and often times public EV chargers are unattended meaning it would be easier to hack a charger than a gas pump.

All vechicles are at risk of being stolen and because EV parts do cost more than ice parts there is some profit to be had jacking ev's, imo. It would require a knowledgeable thief that knows how to remove the sim cards and other means of tracking the vehicle. The battery packs are valuable items and depending on the battery life a used Tesla battery pack could sell for over $10,000. If a person was only trying to remove the battery it wouldn't take long as they would just cut all the connections and drop the battery out.

Bill

 

[TUGBrian]

id not choose to own one as an only vehicle and I love them!

however its utterly ideal for some people given their situation.

 

[emeryjre]

If I lived in a coastal area subject to hurricanes and flooding, I would not own a BEV. I would not try to evacuate in a BEV.

I have never said that BEVs are right for everyone.

No One has said that EV's right for everyone
If fact many times it has been said that EV's are not for everyone
But the subject creates interactions and long threads
How can that be passed up

 

[TUGBrian]

kinda like...timeshares!

 

[HitchHiker71]

kinda like...timeshares!

Perhaps ironically - if Tesla succeeds in democratizing robotaxis - that’s effectively a form of timesharing for vehicles!


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[HitchHiker71]

If I lived in a coastal area subject to hurricanes and flooding, I would not own a BEV. I would not try to evacuate in a BEV.

I have never said that BEVs are right for everyone.

Flooding would definitely be a limiting factor - but hurricanes themselves - I’d actually rather have a BEV with a large battery for backup home power using the Tesla PowerShare (or similar) type system.

Most normal homes can be powered for days on end with a BEV battery alone given they hold 80-100+kw of power.


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[HitchHiker71]

@davidvel hasn't taken into consideration is that ev's take longer to charge than to gas up and often times public EV chargers are unattended meaning it would be easier to hack a charger than a gas pump.

All vechicles are at risk of being stolen and because EV parts do cost more than ice parts there is some profit to be had jacking ev's, imo. It would require a knowledgeable thief that knows how to remove the sim cards and other means of tracking the vehicle. The battery packs are valuable items and depending on the battery life a used Tesla battery pack could sell for over $10,000. If a person was only trying to remove the battery it wouldn't take long as they would just cut all the connections and drop the battery out.

Bill

Not unless they figure out how to flatbed the vehicle and take it somewhere first to part it out. The battery packs weigh upwards of 1000lbs alone. No thief is going to be carrying off a battery pack, let alone simply dropping it out from under the vehicle itself on the street. They would need to lift up the entire vehicle itself, have something large under it to house the dropped pack, etc. It’s not anywhere even remotely similar to stealing a catalytic converter for example. Like I said - short of flatbedding the vehicle away, it’s just not going to happen.


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[RENTER]

If I lived in a coastal area subject to hurricanes and flooding, I would not own a BEV. I would not try to evacuate in a BEV.

I have never said that BEVs are right for everyone.

The only people I see saying they are for everyone is the government with their mandates. But some are backing off those mandates.

 

[RENTER]

@davidvel hasn't taken into consideration is that ev's take longer to charge than to gas up and often times public EV chargers are unattended meaning it would be easier to hack a charger than a gas pump.

All vechicles are at risk of being stolen and because EV parts do cost more than ice parts there is some profit to be had jacking ev's, imo. It would require a knowledgeable thief that knows how to remove the sim cards and other means of tracking the vehicle. The battery packs are valuable items and depending on the battery life a used Tesla battery pack could sell for over $10,000. If a person was only trying to remove the battery it wouldn't take long as they would just cut all the connections and drop the battery out.

Bill

Don't forget many electric charges are not working because the thieves are stealing the copper in them. Hell, traffic lights in Oakland are not working because the thieves are also stealing the copper from them.