You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[youppi]

It doesn't matter whether it's a Tesla or Lightning, or a Bolt, plugged into level 1, 110v household current will add about 4 miles of range for every hour it's plugged in. So 'how long' it will take depends wholly on how many kW it needs to transfer. Level 2 (240v) adds about 20 miles of range per hour of charging.

4 miles per charging hour on level 1 is not true for all EV.
A Ford Lightning consumes much more kWh/mile than a Tesla Model Y.
The same level 1 charger gives the same amount of kW to both and thus charging both for an hour will give the same kWh but not the same driving distance of 4 miles because the Lightning uses more energy to drive the same distance.
Also, a level 1 charger is any charger at 110V(120V) and thus a level 1 charger at 8A or 12A or higher Amp will not give the same kW per hour and thus not the same driving distance of 4 miles.

 

[HitchHiker71]

length of time charing to 80% depends on where you start lol.

if im at 75% i can charge to 80 in a very short time!

going from 10% to 80% would obviously take a good bit longer and even that depends on the size of the battery and charger used.


however ive gone from 20% to 80% at a commercial charger and it took approximately 20 minutes.

Here’s a real world example of a recent L3 Tesla supercharger session on our MY LR from a couple weeks ago, when on our way home from Wyndham Shawnee in the Poconos, at a Tesla SC station in Tammany (north of Easton, PA) at a local Sheetz. There’s also a hotel and a fast food joint adjacent to this SC location.

We charged from 10-70% (which was about 15% more than we actually needed) in 21 minutes. This was with preconditioning. So we added 60% to the pack in 20 minutes. Going from 20% up to 80% would have taken the same amount of time. I personally would have left after only 15 minutes but my wife likes to arrive home with around 20% charge left so we stayed an extra five minutes for her sanity.

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[Passepartout]

4 miles per charging hour on level 1 is not true for all EV.
A Ford Lightning consumes much more kWh/mile than a Tesla Model Y.
The same level 1 charger gives the same amount of kW to both and thus charging both for an hour will give the same kWh but not the same driving distance of 4 miles because the Lightning uses more energy to drive the same distance.
Also, a level 1 charger is any charger at 110V(120V) and thus a level 1 charger at 8A or 12A or higher Amp will not give the same kW per hour and thus not the same driving distance of 4 miles.

True. Those numbers are approximate. Like asking 'How much gasoline does it take to drive a car from point A to Point B? A Fiat 100 will clearly use less than a Hummer.

I'm pretty sure that Bill (who posed the question) has a grasp of the difference, but is curious about the economies of EVs. As any non-user is. Imo, a perfectly normal question.

 

[emeryjre]

Here’s a real world example of a recent L3 Tesla supercharger session on our MY LR from a couple weeks ago, when on our way home from Wyndham Shawnee in the Poconos, at a Tesla SC station in Tammany (north of Easton, PA) at a local Sheet. There’s also a hotel and a fast food joint adjacent to this SC location.

We charged from 10-70% (which was about 15% more than we actually needed) in 21 minutes. This was with preconditioning. So we added 60% to the pack in 20 minutes. Going from 20% up to 80% would have taken the same amount of time. I personally would have left after only 15 minutes but my wife likes to arrive home with around 20% charge left so we stayed an extra five minutes for her sanity.

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Quick question
Under the COST section of the screen
There are two items
One item is a number for ELECTRIC of $20.55
The other items is a number for FUEL of $25.97
What do these items mean
Are they added together to give you the total cost of recharging?
Thanks in Advance

 

[HitchHiker71]

Quick question
Under the COST section of the screen
There are two items
One item is a number for ELECTRIC of $20.55
The other items is a number for FUEL of $25.97
What do these items mean
Are they added together to give you the total cost of recharging?
Thanks in Advance

The electric cost is the actual cost of that Tesla SC charging session. The fuel cost is the comparative cost of adding the equivalent amount of fuel for a ICE vehicle that you set up in the app settings. Our current settings are:

So basically even using a Tesla SC station at an elevated cost, we still saved ~20% on fuel costs comparatively.

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[HitchHiker71]

length of time charing to 80% depends on where you start lol.

if im at 75% i can charge to 80 in a very short time!

going from 10% to 80% would obviously take a good bit longer and even that depends on the size of the battery and charger used.


however ive gone from 20% to 80% at a commercial charger and it took approximately 20 minutes.

Yup - here's an example of a 8kwh L2 charging session when we were parked at OTA (Wyndham Old Town Alexandria) last weekend - charging for free in their underground garage L2 charging stations - took 6.5 hours to charge from 24% up to 90%. FOR FREE (to me at least).

 

[TUGBrian]

4 miles per charging hour on level 1 is not true for all EV.
A Ford Lightning consumes much more kWh/mile than a Tesla Model Y.
The same level 1 charger gives the same amount of kW to both and thus charging both for an hour will give the same kWh but not the same driving distance of 4 miles because the Lightning uses more energy to drive the same distance.
Also, a level 1 charger is any charger at 110V(120V) and thus a level 1 charger at 8A or 12A or higher Amp will not give the same kW per hour and thus not the same driving distance of 4 miles.

I think for most all vehicles (my lightning included) the estimate of "under 5 miles of range per hour" is accurate for just about all level 1 chargers.

i personally get around 3...but only because thats the average mile per kw i get in the truck...and it adds a smidge over 1kw per hour when i plug into 110 circuit with a 12amp charger.

you are absolutely correct though as most non EV owners simply assume all chargers and batteries are equal!

me saying it took me 20minutes to charge to 80% in a vehicle with a 130kw battery might seem quite long. however that same charge would only take 10 minutes in a vehicle with a 65kw battery.

 

[TUGBrian]

Yup - here's an example of a 8kwh L2 charging session when we were parked at OTA (Wyndham Old Town Alexandria) last weekend - charging for free in their underground garage L2 charging stations - took 6.5 hours to charge from 24% up to 90%. FOR FREE (to me at least).

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ha, this is a neat comparison. i snapped this photo once when i stopped at a local charging station (200kwh) and put 45kw in.

ford gives you 250kw of free charging for buying the truck...so thats why it shows $0

(stopped at 73% because that was just where it was when i came back to the truck after getting an icee and using the restroom!)

 

[TUGBrian]

also interesting to note that the charging speed slows WAY down (by design apparently) above 85 or 90%....something to do with the battery management system ensuring no risk of overcharge or similar, so when you see videos of people claiming it takes "way longer than I thought" to charge to 100% at a fast charging station the chances are it was at 80% very quickly and they spent the next 30min to an hour to get to 100%

flip side of that of course is you can always fill your gas tank to 100% any time without delay! though I also know plenty of people who simply put in a fixed amount of money into the tank vs filling up so i guess it all evens out in the end.