You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[HitchHiker71]

I thought it was funny is all. Now I wonder if it's doable. I think it is doable but probably illegal.

Bill

Currently outside of the immediate Austin area and Palo Alto area, Tesla doesn't hold licensing for self-driving. The rumor is that next month (June), Tesla will start up a robotaxi service using a small fleet of the newly introduced Model Y that debuted in January in these two areas, and is seeking licensing in other urban areas for later this year. The CT won't support this feature this year most likely, as robotaxi services is largely based on the volume of data from each specific vehicle type - that's why the Model Y is being used initially - Tesla has the most FSD data captured from the MY fleet by far, following by the M3, MS, MX, and lastly the CT. We'll also start to see the actual Robotaxi vehicle this year, but we won't see any real production ramp for the Robotaxi variant until 2026 timeframe.

I could get into nitty gritty details on what FSD in the CT does and does not have compared to the MY and M3, but will defer unless someone explicitly wants to know. Suffice it to say it's a level below the other more mainstream vehicles in overall FSD capabilities at this time. What that video shows as funny, will become reality for future models though, once true self driving via FSD is rolled out - at least for AI4 equipped Tesla vehicles.

 

[Brett]

I thought it was funny is all. Now I wonder if it's doable. I think it is doable but probably illegal.

Bill

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But someday they will phone home

https://archive.md/5O6iw
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https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/what-a-15-000-electric-suv-says-about-u-s-china-car-rivalry-43cd564e

 

[easyrider]

Its a mad, mad world that never ends.

When people run in circles it's a very very mad world........... Tears for Fears

Bill

 

[emeryjre]

Next Level Automated Driving powered by new AI chip from..............a Chinese Company
No surprise it is from China
The surprise is the company
Not BYD

Goodbye to self-driving ― The future is AI-driving and comes from China, but is not from BYD

Besides, it's important to note that XPeng’s AI system was designed to learn from traffic data across many Chinese cities, where driving conditions can be far

www.coachesdatabase.com

 

[emeryjre]

Innovative way Pacific Gas and Electric is helping EV owners charge at home when they have older wiring panels
The utility is keeping the cost of upgrades to a minimum while providing 240 volt charging for faster overnight charging

How PG&E Is Supporting EV Growth Without Expensive Grid and Home Upgrades

As EVs gain popularity, aging electrical infrastructure in older homes poses a challenge for convenient home charging, but innovative solutions are emerging.

www.powermag.com

 

[easyrider]

Innovative way Pacific Gas and Electric is helping EV owners charge at home when they have older wiring panels
The utility is keeping the cost of upgrades to a minimum while providing 240 volt charging for faster overnight charging

How PG&E Is Supporting EV Growth Without Expensive Grid and Home Upgrades

As EVs gain popularity, aging electrical infrastructure in older homes poses a challenge for convenient home charging, but innovative solutions are emerging.

www.powermag.com

Interesting. I wonder how this works with old meter bases serviced with wire sized for the 100 amp panel. The service wire size in old 100 amp service panels is often #4 copper or #2 aluminum which is the right size for a 85 amp draw. Adding an additional breaker through a socket adapter should mean that the service wire to the meter is rated higher.

So the run of wire going to meter in many cases would be undersized is what I think.

Bill

 

[davidvel]

Interesting. I wonder how this works with old meter bases serviced with wire sized for the 100 amp panel. The service wire size in old 100 amp service panels is often #4 copper or #2 aluminum which is the right size for a 85 amp draw. Adding an additional breaker through a socket adapter should mean that the service wire to the meter is rated higher.

So the run of wire going to meter in many cases would be undersized is what I think.

Bill

I am certain Bill "the licensed electrical engineer" knows more than PG&E and Itron.

I can almost, practically, just about, guarantee it.

 

[easyrider]

I am certain Bill "the licensed electrical engineer" knows more than PG&E and Itron.

I can almost, practically, just about, guarantee it.

My posts, like chum in the water, bring about that hunger for you. In your case, the hunger to be perversely inclined to spout off, lol. It's ok.

Dave, every 60 or 100 service I have seen uses the same size wire from the meter to the service connection. The rating of the service wire connected to the meter, extending through the service wire mast to the power connection, isn't rated to add additional loads for the most part. The old meter base , mast and service wire would probably need to be changed on anything manufactured before the mid 60's even if it were a 200 amp service.

The socket adapter is a decent idea for a 200 amp service but not so much for a 60 or 100 amp service unless it's free. Why would anyone pay for this instead of just installing a new 200 amp service ?

Bill

 

[emeryjre]

The device throttles the power output to the charger to keep the load below a certain level
The article discusses the fact that in many cases of upgrading the house to a higher service level requires expensive and time-consuming upgrades to the local grid
The cost of upgrading service goes beyond just changing the wire size from the grid to the house
I am familiar with all of these issues because the local grid in my area has these exact problems
Underground wiring, small transformers, undersized wiring, and lack of two-way power movement (in the case of selling excess power from solar panels back to the utility company)
These devices and implementation by the utility company is a win win for all involved

 

[easyrider]

These devices and implementation by the utility company is a win win for all involved

Only if they are free, imo. Free meaning 100% subsidized. Most people owning a home with a 60 to 100 amp service probably can't afford an EV let alone a meter socket outlet unless they are an investor owner who wouldn't want to pay for it. I don't think it's going to catch on in these groups. Where I see it being useful is on a commercial building with a 200 amp service needing to add an EV charger because of code requirements.

Bill

 

[emeryjre]

Stick to what you know
California Real Estate Values, EV and PHEV ownership, and the Grid limitations exceed your knowledge base

 

[easyrider]

Stick to what you know
California Real Estate Values, EV and PHEV ownership, and the Grid limitations exceed your knowledge base

What do you mean exactly by grid limitations exceed my knowledge base, lol.

What makes sense to me is a business being required to install an EV charger because of new codes utilizing a meter socket outlet and not so much a low income household.

Bill

 

[davidvel]

What do you mean exactly by grid limitations exceed my knowledge base, lol.

What makes sense to me is a business being required to install an EV charger because of new codes utilizing a meter socket outlet and not so much a low income household.

Bill

They probably mean, stick to what you know, which your prior posts show is not much beyond wild speculation and opinion.

I am certain you know far less than PG&E and Itron.

I can absolutely, totally, 100% guarantee it.

 

[easyrider]

They probably mean, stick to what you know, which your prior posts show is not much beyond wild speculation and opinion.

I am certain you know far less than PG&E and Itron.

I can absolutely, totally, 100% guarantee it.

"You don't need to be an expert to know SWA delivers drinks on trays and snacks from baskets or bags."

So you are saying in this other thread that you don't need to be an expert to know what you know because you know it by observation. You didn't need to know SWA's exact policies on snacks or beverages.

How is what I posted any different ?

I don't need to know what PG&E and ITRON know to tell you why it doesn't make financial sense for those people living in older homes or how it does make sense to meet requirements placed on building permits for commercial renovations.

You seem to keep spouting off your sillyness like the chump you sound like.

Bill