You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[easyrider]

cost savings of electricity vs gas

To me this would be why I would choose a hybrid or Ev over ice if gas went over $6 a gallon. Driving through California this year we did pay $5.79 a gallon off I-5 and I think we paid about $1.60 a liter in Alberta which might be about $4.50 a gallon USD. The liter conversion coupled with the money values in Canada makes it a bit confusing. Even more confusing in Mexico.

Bill

 

[Elan]

Most of my friends that live in townhomes or condo's simply install a NEMA 14/50 outlet and use their mobile charger - it's much cheaper to install a NEMA outlet vs a full-on dedicated L2 charger - typically only $200-400 range for a 240v 50 amp outlet. We don't have to deal with the onerous regs that most west coast states have on the books so it's easier to deal with things like this on the east coast IME.

You're assuming there's capacity in the panel, right? Or are they splitting off of an existing dryer, etc ckt?

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[dagger1]

To me this would be why I would choose a hybrid or Ev over ice if gas went over $6 a gallon. Driving through California this year we did pay $5.79 a gallon off I-5 and I think we paid about $1.60 a liter in Alberta which might be about $4.50 a gallon USD. The liter conversion coupled with the money values in Canada makes it a bit confusing. Even more confusing in Mexico.

Bill

The Toyota Sienna Hybrid we bought back in February is averaging 37.4 mpg so far, range is around 650 miles per tank. Just a phenomenal vehicle (so far…)

 

[easyrider]

The Toyota Sienna Hybrid we bought back in February is averaging 37.4 mpg so far, range is around 650 miles per tank. Just a phenomenal vehicle (so far…)

I like the look of the Sienna Hybrid best out of all of the vans. We thought about getting the Sienna awd hybrid version to drive to Alaska.

Bill

 

[dagger1]

I like the look of the Sienna Hybrid best out of all of the vans. We thought about getting the Sienna awd hybrid version to drive to Alaska.

Bill

We have been driving Odyssey’s since the 1990’s. Bought the Sienna for ADA seat ease of installation. This is easily the best minivan we’ve owned. Just an amazing vehicle.

 

[emeryjre]

In some situations, this device makes installing an EV charging station easier than other solutions

EV

Plugging in an EV is easy. Connecting a charger to your home should be too. ConnectDER’s EV meter socket adapter is...

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[Ralph Sir Edward]

EVs are battery tech dependent, so I thought I post this video on the latest CATL battery tech.

 

[letsgobobby]

I routinely charge my Model 3 with a standard 110 outlet. I drive 80 miles rt to work 2-3 days per week and this gets me to the end of the third consecutive day around 20% (starting at 80%). Most people drive less than I do. every couple months if I'm driving 4 consecutive days to work or doing a long trip I top off with my old Nissan Leaf rapid charger with a Tesla adapter hooked into my RV outlet. I wasn't willing to pay $2500 for an installed Tesla charger, and didn't need it. Instead I've paid nothing. If I hadn't had the RV charger I would have bought a splitter and an extension cord and used my dryer outlet. There are affordable solutions if you're creative.

Meanwhile the Chinese companies now have 5 minute EV charging.

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[easyrider]

Is a Tesla Y awd with a 75 kwh battery worth getting with 40,000 miles on it ? What's the range and charging time ?

Bill

 

[HitchHiker71]

Is a Tesla Y awd with a 75 kwh battery worth getting with 40,000 miles on it ? What's the range and charging time ?

Bill

Depends on the model in question. Is it a Performance, Long Range, RWD? All use the same size pack - and the answers will vary depending on the model, year, etc., since packs degrade over time. Can you provide a link to the actual vehicle for sale?


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[easyrider]

Depends on the model in question. Is it a Performance, Long Range, RWD? All use the same size pack - and the answers will vary depending on the model, year, etc., since packs degrade over time. Can you provide a link to the actual vehicle for sale?


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It's this one. The add claims a range of 303 miles but in the real world I've read to expect about 230 miles which would be fine. The 10 hour charge time with a 220 outlet seems like a long time but 230 miles would probably work for around town.

Bill

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[HitchHiker71]

It's this one. The add claims a range of 303 miles but in the real world I've read to expect about 230 miles which would be fine. The 10 hour charge time with a 220 outlet seems like a long time but 230 miles would probably work for around town.

Bill

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So that’s a 2022 MY Performance. That’s the topline model with a pretty harsh sport tuned suspension and 21” staggered wheels/tires - meaning the rear wheels/tires are wider than the front wheels and tires and cannot be rotated. It probably has different tires than the original OEM as they only last 20-30k at most on those models. Those models originally shipped with summer only performance tires just FYI. The pre “comfort suspension” models, which started in 2023 onward, ride pretty rough in general - and the Performance is the worst of the bunch for ride quality.

Range-wise the larger wheels and tires eat up range. You can get a bit better range if you swap the wheels/tires to a 18-19” set. In 2022 the MYP was EPA rated at 303 miles mixed city/highway, but the same MYP in 2024 after the EPA reg changes was only rated at 279 miles. Figure 80% real world puts it at 223 miles. I wouldn’t buy a MYP unless you really want/need the performance, look for a 2023+ Long Range model with the better comfort suspension - preferably built in H2 2023 or later. They all use the same NMC 75kw battery pack so nothing to worry about there.

I’d personally recommend only looking at AI4 equipped Tesla vehicles for future-proofing FSD. The earlier 2023 models (like ours) only have HW3 FSD computers which are approaching end of life and will not be able to run the newer FSD versions coming later this year. This is why I said to only look at 2023 models built starting in the second half of that model year.


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[PigsDad]

…but 230 miles would probably work for around town.

How much do you drive around town in a day??? 230 miles at an average speed of say 35mph in town is over 6.5 hours of driving. Are you running a delivery service?

Kurt

 

[easyrider]

How much do you drive around town in a day??? 230 miles at an average speed of say 35mph in town is over 6.5 hours of driving. Are you running a delivery service?

Kurt

My wife drives about 250 miles a week. Charging once or twice a week would be fine by me unless there is some battery issue by not keeping it charged.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

So that’s a 2022 MY Performance. That’s the topline model with a pretty harsh sport tuned suspension and 21” staggered wheels/tires - meaning the rear wheels/tires are wider than the front wheels and tires and cannot be rotated. It probably has different tires than the original OEM as they only last 20-30k at most on those models. Those models originally shipped with summer only performance tires just FYI. The pre “comfort suspension” models, which started in 2023 onward, ride pretty rough in general - and the Performance is the worst of the bunch for ride quality.

Range-wise the larger wheels and tires eat up range. You can get a bit better range if you swap the wheels/tires to a 18-19” set. In 2022 the MYP was EPA rated at 303 miles mixed city/highway, but the same MYP in 2024 after the EPA reg changes was only rated at 279 miles. Figure 80% real world puts it at 223 miles. I wouldn’t buy a MYP unless you really want/need the performance, look for a 2023+ Long Range model with the better comfort suspension - preferably built in H2 2023 or later. They all use the same NMC 75kw battery pack so nothing to worry about there.

I’d personally recommend only looking at AI4 equipped Tesla vehicles for future-proofing FSD. The earlier 2023 models (like ours) only have HW3 FSD computers which are approaching end of life and will not be able to run the newer FSD versions coming later this year. This is why I said to only look at 2023 models built starting in the second half of that model year.


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Thanks for the explanation. I'm beginning to think I'm over my head on a Tesla. This one looks like the 2024 we test drove in Palm Springs but after reading your reply I'm certain it isn't. Maybe this one but in black.

Bill

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[HitchHiker71]

Thanks for the explanation. I'm beginning to think I'm over my head on a Tesla. This one looks like the 2024 we test drove in Palm Springs but after reading your reply I'm certain it isn't. Maybe this one but in black.

Bill

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Most folks don't know the level of detail that someone like me happens to know - I'm the exception not the rule on stuff like this really. This link is to a 2023 MY LR, and is actually our exact MY LR that we own (Midnight Silver Metallic exterior, black synthetic leather interior). It's a model year P in the VIN - but I cannot tell from decoding the VIN the actual date of manufacture to help determine whether it's an AI4 or HW3 equipped vehicle - and unfortunately oftentimes these third party resellers are clueless about Tesla vehicles in general so typically it required a visual inspection of the cameras on the car to get an answer. However, thankfully they provided a screenshot of the hardware screen here:

Note the "Autopilot computer: Full Self Driving Computer 4" annotation - this means it's AI4. So this vehicle meets at least my "requirements" for future-proofing for FSD. Another screenshot also indicates this vehicle does not have the full FSD subscription, which is typically the case since it's $8k to buy it outright, but you can choose to subscribe to FSD monthly for $99/month with no obligation, meaning you enable/disable the FSD subscription as needed. Overall if you like the color/equipment, this vehicle meets my personal criteria for consideration. It has the upgraded 20" wheel/tire package - which is a slight hit on range - from 330 down to 318 - but I personally like the look of these wheels - we have those same upgraded wheels/tires.

Range was originally rated at 318 miles mixed city/highway on the 2023 - under the newer regs these models were rated around 303 miles IIRC - so figure 80% or around 240 miles max on a single charge - but you also have to figure you're typically charging up to max of 80% and generally not going under 20% for daily use - so your effective range is really around 303*0.6=145 miles between charges at most. But that said, remember ABC - Always Be Connected. It's better for the long term health of the pack to be connected to a charger when not in use and to simply let it charge up overnight during off hours when your electric rates are typically lowest. Call your power provider and see if they offer a TOU (Time Of Use) plan for EV charging, many power companies have programs like this nowadays. It's nice waking up with a "full tank" every day from home. It's generally better to keep it charged every day as you never know if/when you may need the extra range day to day for an unplanned trip - so having it set to 70-80% for daily use offsets unexpected trips of this nature where if you're sitting at 25% and she has to make a longer trip - she has to wait to charge up before leaving - or hit a L3 SC station during her trip at some point - which isn't a big deal - the Tesla nav will do it all for her - but if she is at 70-80% and needs to take an unplanned trip 60 miles each way for some reason - she'll be fine and won't need to worry about charging up prior or during the trip due to a low SoC (State of Charge).

 

[emeryjre]

I am putting up a video about the Tesla Semi and the current plans for production in the next 12 months
I have always been a believer in EV's even though I do not own one yet
When solid state batteries, superfast charging, minimal loss of efficiency in cold weather come together in one vehicle
Then I will be a buyer

In all the negatives currently hitting the headlines
It is good to see a new line of freight haulers that will help clean the air in major areas like Los Angeles
The Semi should have a major impact on air quality in these areas

If you have ever taken a drive around the ports of Long Beach, Los Angeles, and San Pedro
The belching black smoke everywhere is not a pretty sight

If you have not seen the plan for the Semi, it will be a surprise

Link is here:

MSN

 

[davidvel]

The best thing about this over 2 year old, 1,768 post thread is that Bill is contemplating buying a Tesla. Reading his comments in the first pages juxtaposed with this reality is priceless.

 

[Brett]

The best thing about this over 2 year old, 1,768 post thread is that Bill is contemplating buying a Tesla. Reading his comments in the first pages juxtaposed with this reality is priceless.

yes - maybe the "truth" about electric vehicles will ultimately prevail

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[easyrider]

The best thing about this over 2 year old, 1,768 post thread is that Bill is contemplating buying a Tesla. Reading his comments in the first pages juxtaposed with this reality is priceless.

I did say early on that the price point makes a difference. Tesla prices have been taking a beating with all of the baneful publicity this year.

Bill

 

[Pennytx]

I'm 76, just bought a gas powered pickup. It'll probably last 20 years. I couldn't give a rat's behind what you people drive 20 years from now, I don't care what gender you want to be associated with, I don't care what wars you think are necessary, I don't care if you ponder if peanut butter is healthy or not. I'm retired and I'm going to enjoy the next 20 no matter what issue you think is going to save the planet from destruction.

Summer is coming, it's nearly gin and tonic season. How to make a proper one is something to ponder and discuss.

Legendary

 

[easyrider]

This guys Cyber Truck went through repossession and watched his truck drive away. I thought that is funny.

Bill

My Tesla Cybertruck Just Drove Itself Back To the Dealer Because of the Heavy Debt I Owe, Come Back Cybertruck

Discover the song that captures a Tesla Cybertruck driving itself back to the dealer. The owner, unable to meet the hefty payments, is on the verge of losing his cherished Cybertruck. His plea, 'Come back, Cybertruck,' echoes as he watches it drive away.

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My Tesla Cybertruck Just Drove Itself Back To the Dealer Because of the Heavy Debt I Owe, Come Back Cybertruck​

 

[Ken555]

This guys Cyber Truck went through repossession and watched his truck drive away. I thought that is funny.

Did you really think this was accurate? It doesn't even pass the smell test, but just to confirm I spent 15 seconds for an AI to search and write the following details:

Based on my research, I can confirm that the story about a Tesla Cybertruck physically driving itself back to the dealer for repossession is **NOT factual**. Here's what's actually happening:

**The Truth About the Story:**

1. **It's a fictional country song**: Karl Jónsson created an AI-generated country song using Suno AI about a fictional scenario where a Cybertruck drives itself back to the dealership after the owner missed truck payments.

2. **No actual self-repossession occurred**: The article is about this AI-generated song, not a real event. The song tells a fictional story with lyrics like "It drove itself so steadily, like it knew that dirt road, Headin' back to the dealer, with my debt it towed".

3. **Current technical limitations**: While Tesla vehicles have advanced driver assistance features, they do not have the capability to autonomously drive themselves back to dealerships for repossession. Ford has applied for a patent for such technology, but Ford said in a statement that they "don't have any plans to deploy this".

**The Reality Behind the Article:**

The Torque News article does discuss real issues facing some Cybertruck owners:
- Declining resale values
- Financial difficulties with payments
- Tesla not accepting Cybertruck trade-ins at certain times

However, the headline about a Cybertruck "driving itself back to the dealer" is misleading clickbait referring only to the fictional AI-generated song, not any actual event. Several readers in the comments section called this out, with one saying "Show a video of the Cyber truck driving itself or I'll declare this post a bunch of nonsense and a lie. Cars do not drive themselves".

 

[davidvel]

Did you really think this was accurate? It doesn't even pass the smell test, but just to confirm I spent 15 seconds for an AI to search and write the following details:

Based on my research, I can confirm that the story about a Tesla Cybertruck physically driving itself back to the dealer for repossession is **NOT factual**. Here's what's actually happening:

**The Truth About the Story:**

1. **It's a fictional country song**: Karl Jónsson created an AI-generated country song using Suno AI about a fictional scenario where a Cybertruck drives itself back to the dealership after the owner missed truck payments.

2. **No actual self-repossession occurred**: The article is about this AI-generated song, not a real event. The song tells a fictional story with lyrics like "It drove itself so steadily, like it knew that dirt road, Headin' back to the dealer, with my debt it towed".

3. **Current technical limitations**: While Tesla vehicles have advanced driver assistance features, they do not have the capability to autonomously drive themselves back to dealerships for repossession. Ford has applied for a patent for such technology, but Ford said in a statement that they "don't have any plans to deploy this".

**The Reality Behind the Article:**

The Torque News article does discuss real issues facing some Cybertruck owners:
- Declining resale values
- Financial difficulties with payments
- Tesla not accepting Cybertruck trade-ins at certain times

However, the headline about a Cybertruck "driving itself back to the dealer" is misleading clickbait referring only to the fictional AI-generated song, not any actual event. Several readers in the comments section called this out, with one saying "Show a video of the Cyber truck driving itself or I'll declare this post a bunch of nonsense and a lie. Cars do not drive themselves".

Its a mad, mad world that never ends.

 

[easyrider]

Did you really think this was accurate? It doesn't even pass the smell test, but just to confirm I spent 15 seconds for an AI to search and write the following details:

Based on my research, I can confirm that the story about a Tesla Cybertruck physically driving itself back to the dealer for repossession is **NOT factual**. Here's what's actually happening:

**The Truth About the Story:**

1. **It's a fictional country song**: Karl Jónsson created an AI-generated country song using Suno AI about a fictional scenario where a Cybertruck drives itself back to the dealership after the owner missed truck payments.

2. **No actual self-repossession occurred**: The article is about this AI-generated song, not a real event. The song tells a fictional story with lyrics like "It drove itself so steadily, like it knew that dirt road, Headin' back to the dealer, with my debt it towed".

3. **Current technical limitations**: While Tesla vehicles have advanced driver assistance features, they do not have the capability to autonomously drive themselves back to dealerships for repossession. Ford has applied for a patent for such technology, but Ford said in a statement that they "don't have any plans to deploy this".

**The Reality Behind the Article:**

The Torque News article does discuss real issues facing some Cybertruck owners:
- Declining resale values
- Financial difficulties with payments
- Tesla not accepting Cybertruck trade-ins at certain times

However, the headline about a Cybertruck "driving itself back to the dealer" is misleading clickbait referring only to the fictional AI-generated song, not any actual event. Several readers in the comments section called this out, with one saying "Show a video of the Cyber truck driving itself or I'll declare this post a bunch of nonsense and a lie. Cars do not drive themselves".

I thought it was funny is all. Now I wonder if it's doable. I think it is doable but probably illegal.

Bill