Will this Covid spread continue to level down?

[bluehende]

the pictures do not lie

Anthony S. Fauci Awarded the Highest Honor of the Association of American Physicians

Immunologist and AIDS researcher Anthony S. Fauci, M.D., director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), has been awarded the 2007 George M. Kober Medal of the Association of American Physicians (AAP) for his outstanding...

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[DannyTS]

Anthony S. Fauci Awarded the Highest Honor of the Association of American Physicians

Immunologist and AIDS researcher Anthony S. Fauci, M.D., director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), has been awarded the 2007 George M. Kober Medal of the Association of American Physicians (AAP) for his outstanding...

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I hope you realize, when somebody has occupied the same seat for 45 years... you have to be a good politician for that even if you do not actually belong to any party. But pictures do not lie, your attempt to whitewash him in this case only attracts more attention to the contrast between his statements and actions. I could argue that his wife was also not far enough from that person to take her mask down.

 

[bluehende]

I hope you realize, when somebody has occupied the same seat for 45 years... you have to be a good politician for that even if you do not actually belong to any party. But pictures do not lie, your attempt to whitewash him in this case only attracts more attention to the contrast between his statements and actions.

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IDSA Statement in Support of Anthony Fauci, M.D., FIDSA

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[DannyTS]

IDSA Statement in Support of Anthony Fauci, M.D., FIDSA

www.idsociety.org

I am going to let this go, I think everyone has more than enough information about Dr. Fauci wearing or not wearing a mask and lying or not lying about it.

 

[bluehende]

I am going to let this go, I think anyone has more than enough information about Dr. Fauci wearing or not wearing a mask and lying or not lying about it.

Scientists as heroes: Let's keep that image in the public eye

Science prizes can help focus the attention of investors, corporations, educators, and politicians on the cutting edge of science — and they can keep scientists in the public eye.

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[SmithOp]

He threw out the first pitch. Now if you want to criticize his pitch you have a valid point.

Didnt see it.

So they can let people cram into an airplane for 5 hrs and fly but not sell any seats at an open air stadium, makes no sense, they could sell 10% of the seats and be less crowded than a coast to coast flight.


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[Ken555]

Didnt see it.

So they can let people cram into an airplane for 5 hrs and fly but not sell any seats at an open air stadium, makes no sense, they could sell 10% of the seats and be less crowded than a coast to coast flight.


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What part of this entire mess since January has made sense?


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[billymach4]

Air Travel is somewhat of a necessity. Sports is more of an entertainment issue. Think of Sports as an Amenity.

 

[bluehende]

Didnt see it.

So they can let people cram into an airplane for 5 hrs and fly but not sell any seats at an open air stadium, makes no sense, they could sell 10% of the seats and be less crowded than a coast to coast flight.


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I am guessing it is more the economics of this situation. The infrastructure to bring fans in is expensive. Unless they can get a lot of fans in it is not worth the risk. Their biggest revenue is tv and this year the ratings will be very high.

 

[billymach4]

I am just a regular person. Does not take a genius to figure this out.

US tops 1,000 coronavirus deaths 4 days in a row as experts urge the country to shut down | CNN

As more Covid-19 records get broken, debates on whether to send kids back to school or to shut down the economy again are coming to a head.

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[Ken555]

They defied health rules for a storybook San Francisco wedding. The virus didn’t spare them.

They defied health rules for a storybook wedding. The virus didn’t spare them. — San Francisco Chronicle

The doors were locked. Rows of pews were taped off. The guests were arriving, as instructed, from an underground parking garage through a back door that led to the church interior.

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[Luanne]

They defied health rules for a storybook San Francisco wedding. The virus didn’t spare them.

They defied health rules for a storybook wedding. The virus didn’t spare them. — San Francisco Chronicle

The doors were locked. Rows of pews were taped off. The guests were arriving, as instructed, from an underground parking garage through a back door that led to the church interior.

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Couldn't read the whole story without a subscription. I'm guessing it didn't end well.

 

[Ken555]

Couldn't read the whole story without a subscription. I'm guessing it didn't end well.

Yup. The newlywed couple and at least eight others contracted C19. The church had posted signs that there should not be gatherings, yet they had the wedding with guests arriving via a back entrance. The city had a tip and sent someone to instruct them to move it outside.

I’m sure similar events are happening elsewhere. My neighbor emailed me this morning that they are hosting a birthday party (off site) tonight...and I’m not surprised, since they are classic examples of Karen and Kevin...but it’s infuriating. They are why we cannot control this epidemic. And yes, it violates local guidelines on gatherings.


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[Luanne]

Yup. The newlywed couple and at least eight others contracted C19. The church had posted signs that there should be gatherings, yet they had the wedding with guests arriving via a back entrance. The city had a tip and sent someone to instruct them to move it outside.

I’m sure similar events are happening elsewhere. My neighbor emailed me this morning that they are hosting a birthday party (off site) tonight...and I’m not surprised, since they are classic examples of Karen and Kevin...but it’s infuriating. They are why we cannot control this epidemic. And yes, it violates local guidelines on gatherings.


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Oh I'm sure it's happening as well.

A friend of mine has assumed the position of co-president in an organization I'm active in. I have stepped back from a board position, but still get called on for advice and input. We have been meeting via Zoom but my friend decided she doesn't like meeting like that and wants to have a board meeting in person. She asked me if we could meet at the park. I reminded her that we are still prohibited from having gatherings over 5 people. Also there are several other board members (one married to a doctor) who are adamant about not meeting in person. My friend finally backed down, but left to her own devices I'm sure she could have called an in person meeting.

 

[Brett]

Couldn't read the whole story without a subscription. I'm guessing it didn't end well.

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[Luanne]

@Brett thanks for posting the whole article.

I think people just don't think. Or think "it won't happen to me". Or think "I don't want my [whatever] spoiled.

A friend of mine posted some pictures of a wedding shower she attended. Someone posted asking where the masks were. She responded that everyone wore masks in, but took them off to eat. From the pictures I saw they must have been eating the entire time, even when they were playing games, etc., as I saw NO masks in any of the pictures posted.

 

[Ken555]

I think people just don't think. Or think "it won't happen to me". Or think "I don't want my [whatever] spoiled.

Yes. Actually, I think it’s more of “those rules don’t apply to me, they only apply to everyone else”.


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[CPNY]

In case it is not clear, I was responding to your comment. But do you know why what Dr Fauci did is extremely relevant to this thread? Because for four months people have been asked to give up their jobs, bankrupt their businesses, default on their mortgages, delay their surgeries, not see their loved ones, lock themselves at home, give up their kids' education for a while, just to name a few.

And what have they seen? The scientist from the London Imperial College visiting his mistress while the whole country was in shutdown at his recommendation. Chris Cuomo going out , talking to contractors while he had Covid. Andrew Cuomo, rarely wearing masks. Mayors and governors travelling freely with their families while others were in a shutdown. Protests being encouraged for political reasons. Dr Fauci being caught without a mask and basically lying about what actually happened. The list is endless. The hypocrisy and the double standard are appalling and have done nothing to make people more cooperative. The rules for a barber and for Dr Fauci are clearly different.

Couldn’t agree more.

 

[CO skier]

Because for four months people have been asked to give up their jobs, bankrupt their businesses, default on their mortgages, delay their surgeries, not see their loved ones, lock themselves at home, give up their kids' education for a while, just to name a few.

And what have they seen? The scientist from the London Imperial College visiting his mistress while the whole country was in shutdown at his recommendation. Chris Cuomo going out , talking to contractors while he had Covid. Andrew Cuomo, rarely wearing masks. Mayors and governors travelling freely with their families while others were in a shutdown. Protests being encouraged for political reasons. Dr Fauci being caught without a mask and basically lying about what actually happened. The list is endless. The hypocrisy and the double standard are appalling and have done nothing to make people more cooperative. The rules for a barber and for Dr Fauci are clearly different.

Meanwhile in Sweden, there is none of this angst and duplicities, because the national epidemiologist was honest with the politicians and citizenry from the beginning.

 

[bluehende]

Sweden's lax COVID-19 response caused too many deaths, country's top epidemiologist says

The country should have done more, he says.

www.livescience.com

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Sweden's lax COVID-19 response caused too many deaths, country's top epidemiologist says

 

[Ken555]

Sweden's lax COVID-19 response caused too many deaths, country's top epidemiologist says

The country should have done more, he says.

www.livescience.com

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Sweden's lax COVID-19 response caused too many deaths, country's top epidemiologist says

Yeah, but it’s okay because he was honest and didn’t have political or practical reasons to say not to wear a mask...

ETA: leadership starts at the top. What message are Americans receiving by that not-so-consistent influence in regards to masks, safety, and Clorox?


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[CO skier]

Sweden's lax COVID-19 response caused too many deaths, country's top epidemiologist says

The country should have done more, he says.

www.livescience.com

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Sweden's lax COVID-19 response caused too many deaths, country's top epidemiologist says

And every other country "should have done more", too (with months of hindsight).

Sweden's death rate is not "Off the charts" as models in March predicted. Sweden did not "overload" their ICU beds and other "catastrophes" predicted by the "models." in March.

Sweden took a HUGE chance by not shutting down their society. Sure, "mistakes were made" (what country cannot say that). More and more, the statistics from Sweden show how ineffective a societal shutdown is in the face of a pandemic.

As US states or countries emerge from "shutdown" they are exposed to the same exponential curve of infection Sweden accepted from the beginning.

So shutdown until there is a WIDELY available vaccine, or accept what Sweden accepted from the beginning? Those are the current choices.

What we see, instead, in the US is flip-flop measures by Keystone Cops who are advised by "experts" who do not understand what the "experts" in Sweden understood from the beginning.

 

[bluehende]

Sweden's controversial anti-lockdown strategy resulted in a high death toll and no real economic gain, data shows

"They literally gained nothing," an economist told The New York Times. "It's a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains."

www.businessinsider.com

 

[DannyTS]

And every other country "should have done more", too (with months of hindsight).

I read the article at the time. It was the statement of an honest man. Virtually the only one who said that mistakes were also made. He was referring to protecting better the vulnerable, not about the overall strategy. The media though took what they needed from that interview and crucified him.

 

[DavidnRobin]

Another interesting read on current vaccines.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.17.20140533v1.full.pdf

Synopsis for @DeniseM
Of the early COVID19 vaccine results, it looks like only the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine generates clear CD8+ T cell immunity. Anti SARSCoV2 CD8 T cell responses are likely to be particularly important part of immunity- but also particularly hard to generate. Is this an Spike epitope issue? Are these early vaccine efforts hampered in CD8 T cell response because immunization is limited to Spike (eg vs N)? Unfortunate that the Oxford/AZ vaccine didn't profile T cells as completely as BioNTech/Pfizer did.


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