No, not at all. But I am interested in the number of new, non-member TUGgers posting in this thread...hmm....
Is this a first on TUG, somebody asking for a free week of vacation? I personally find this request slightly offensive.
Why find it offensive? Ignore if you don't like it. I have given away free weeks on TUG that I could not use and happy to know someone will make use of them. Relax!! No issues with someone asking. This is a message Board.….What I find offensive is that the people are asking for the free week that the current owners of the week won't use due to the 14 day quarantine that the requestors government imposed.
IMO it is offensive because someone is trying to benefit from the current situation, because a lot of owners have lost their businesses and jobs and they cannot use the weeks they are paying for. Also because the person is asking for a free week, is not offering any kind of compensation. It is one thing to give something for free, a totally different thing to ask for it.
IMO it is offensive because someone is trying to benefit from the current situation, because a lot of owners have lost their businesses and jobs and they cannot use the weeks they are paying for. Also because the person is asking for a free week, is not offering any kind of compensation. It is one thing to give something for free, a totally different thing to ask for it.
.A lot of owners are also prohibited from using their units due to the 14 day quarantine which creates a huge disincentive for traveling there in the first place. We have been upset about it because we bought in at the Marriott Ko Olina in 2019 with usage to begin in 2020. We paid $10,500 for the week and about $2500 in MFs in January. We are all in it for about $13,000 at this point and haven’t even been able to use one day there yet. The quarantine effectively negates our ability to use the unit - even if the resort was open which I am not even sure of at this point. We would actually go and do the 14 day quarantine off site at a hotel since we are retired but I can’t count on hotels even being open to stay at. No hotels are going to open to allow a few guests to stay who may actually be willing to put the 14 days in isolation just to be able to enjoy the rest of their stay. Under these circumstances, I can’t make use of our week there. I think we would have to spend 14 days in a private vacation rental to be able to resume our plans.
Actually, there are hotels that are open and are accommodating people during quarantine. That's the impetus behind the requirement that hotels room keys that are for single use only. The key works to go into quarantine. If you break quarantine you need to go to the front desk to get back into your room.A lot of owners are also prohibited from using their units due to the 14 day quarantine which creates a huge disincentive for traveling there in the first place. We have been upset about it because we bought in at the Marriott Ko Olina in 2019 with usage to begin in 2020. We paid $10,500 for the week and about $2500 in MFs in January. We are all in it for about $13,000 at this point and haven’t even been able to use one day there yet. The quarantine effectively negates our ability to use the unit - even if the resort was open which I am not even sure of at this point. We would actually go and do the 14 day quarantine off site at a hotel since we are retired but I can’t count on hotels even being open to stay at. No hotels are going to open to allow a few guests to stay who may actually be willing to put the 14 days in isolation just to be able to enjoy the rest of their stay. Under these circumstances, I can’t make use of our week there. I think we would have to spend 14 days in a private vacation rental to be able to resume our plans.
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Be optimistic, the local government will reimburse the property taxes for the months they keep the islands closed.
I do not disagree with most of what what you said, taxes can go up and in the long run we can expect that in many places, not just Hawaii.Ok, I wasn't going to go there but this post made me do it. First of all I need to mention that I own a Condo on Oahu so I pay property taxes to the Hawaii Government whether I go there or not. I also own many timeshares, while they are not in Hawaii, I have spent over 1000 nights there so I have many dollars in TAT as well as sales taxes for everything I buy there during those trips.
Since the Hawaii Governments have been receiving a great reduction in revenue due to the coronavirus they may have to raise taxes. It will be a real slap in the face to timeshare owners and exchangers if they levy tax increases primarily on timeshare real estate taxes and TAT since their logic is that they didn't travel to Hawaii in 2020 and didn't pay the TAT and sales taxes that they would have if they came to Hawaii!!
Actually, there are hotels that are open and are accommodating people during quarantine. That's the impetus behind the requirement that hotels room keys that are for single use only. The key works to go into quarantine. If you break quarantine you need to go to the front desk to get back into your room.
I would try Googling something such as "hotels open in Waikiki during quarantine". You might also do a search using a site such as Expedia or Kayak for the dates you are interested in. If a hotel is closed it wouldn't come up as available.Does anyone know which hotels are presently open in Waikiki?
I do not disagree with most of what what you said, taxes can go up and in the long run we can expect that in many places, not just Hawaii.
But I would like to make a distinction between usage and access. If I have an internet subscription, I will have to pay whether I use it or not. But the moment the coverage stops in my area for an extended period of time due to the fault of the company, I would expect a refund for that period.
That's a Pandora's box. What happens if there is a hurricane and the government shuts down everything including the airports for several days. Or if there is a volcano eruption that blocks access to some hotels or timeshares? Or a big earthquake and, say, Lagoon Tower is badly damaged and the government deems it unsafe. Who has assumed the risk of those kind of events? Certainly the government hasn't made any promises. Doesn't the OWNER assume the risk?I do not disagree with most of what what you said, taxes can go up and in the long run we can expect that in many places, not just Hawaii.
But I would like to make a distinction between usage and access. If I have an internet subscription, I will have to pay whether I use it or not. But the moment the coverage stops in my area for an extended period of time due to the fault of the company, I would expect a refund for that period.
Just to clarify a bit, the TAT is assessed at the same rate for all properties rented for 180 days or less. This tax is currently 10.25% for all rental accommodations. The GET for rental properties as well as all goods and services are 4.5% with the exception that Maui did not include the additional .5% surcharge.There is no question that taxes will be going up in the furture. Local, State as well as Federal Taxes. However, my point about the timeshare real estate taxes and the TAT is that Hawaii already taxes timeshares at a higher real estate rate than other condominiums and Hawaii is the only state in the United States that levies a TAT Transient Accomodations Tax. Therefore, if they increase those taxes disproportionately it would be adding insult to injury since not only did the Hawaii Government implement a 14 day quarantine to discourage(in reality prevent) tourists from coming, since tourists didn't come they didn't pay the TAT and GET(sales taxes) that they normally do to support Hawaii they need to make up their deficit by socking it to timeshares.
HONOLULU COUNTY OAHU PROPERTY TAX RATES July 2019-June 2020 (Amount of Tax Per $1000 of Net Taxable Value) | |
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Residential | $3.50 |
Hotel and Resort | $13.90 |
Commercial | $12.40 |
Industrial | $12.40 |
Agricultural | $5.70 |
Preservation | $5.70 |
Public Service | $0.00 |
Residential A – Tier 1 (Applied to the net taxable value of the property up to $1,000,000) | $4.50 |
Residential A – Tier 2 (Applied to the net taxable value of the property in excess of $1,000,000) | $10.50 |
Vacant Agricultural | $8.50 |
(Per $1,000 Net Assessed Valuation) | Tax Rate |
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Homestead | $ 3.05 |
Residential | $ 6.05 |
Residential Investor | $ 8.05 |
Vacation Rental | $ 9.85 |
Hotel and Resort | $10.85 |
Commercial | $ 8.10 |
Commercialized Home Use | $ 5.05 |
Industrial | $ 8.10 |
Agricultural | $ 6.75 |
Conservation | $ 6.75 |
Aloha,I'm a teacher living out here in Maui with my husband and daughter. And we see how quiet things are out here now and the need for things to open back up soon. If anyone out there is going to loose out on their week or time out there due to the quarantine and you would like to donate it to us we would be appreciative for the opportunity to get out of our house for a bit.
Okay, I'll admit this is picky, but as a teacher I would think you would know the proper use of "loose" vs "lose". Just call me the grammar, or spelling, police.I'm a teacher living out here in Maui with my husband and daughter. And we see how quiet things are out here now and the need for things to open back up soon. If anyone out there is going to loose out on their week or time out there due to the quarantine and you would like to donate it to us we would be appreciative for the opportunity to get out of our house for a bit.
If I had a week going to waste I'd be happy to let someone that could get some use out of it use it. A nice bottle of wine for thank you would be compensation enough.IMO it is offensive because someone is trying to benefit from the current situation, because a lot of owners have lost their businesses and jobs and they cannot use the weeks they are paying for. Also because the person is asking for a free week, is not offering any kind of compensation. It is one thing to give something for free, a totally different thing to ask for it.
Just to clarify a bit, the TAT is assessed at the same rate for all properties rented for 180 days or less. This tax is currently 10.25% for all rental accommodations. The GET for rental properties as well as all goods and services are 4.5% with the exception that Maui did not include the additional .5% surcharge.
Property taxes are an entirely different structure where they are assessed by county and within county, by type of property. There is no difference in Oahu, Kauai and Hawaii County between timeshares and hotel/resort rates. Maui is the only county to assign a special category for timeshare property tax rates differentiating it from Hotel/Resort.
Hawai’i County Tax Rates Fiscal Year Beginning July 1, 2019 to June 30, 2020
Tax Rate Per $1,000 Net Taxable Building / Tax Rate Per $1000 Net Taxable Land
PROPERTY CLASS
0 Affordable Rental Housing $6.15 / $6.15
1 Residential $11.10 / $11.10
2 Apartment $11.70 / $11.70
3 Commercial $10.70 / $10.70
4 Industrial $10.70 / $10.70
5 Agricultural and Native Forest $9.35 / $9.35
6 Conservation $11.55 / $11.55
7 Hotel/Resort $11.55 / $11.55
9 Homeowner $6.15 / $6.15
HONOLULU COUNTY OAHU PROPERTY TAX RATES
July 2019-June 2020
(Amount of Tax Per $1000 of Net Taxable Value)Residential $3.50 Hotel and Resort $13.90 Commercial $12.40 Industrial $12.40 Agricultural $5.70 Preservation $5.70 Public Service $0.00 Residential A – Tier 1
(Applied to the net taxable value of the property up to $1,000,000)$4.50 Residential A – Tier 2
(Applied to the net taxable value of the property in excess of $1,000,000)$10.50 Vacant Agricultural $8.50
2019 – 2020 Maui Property Tax Rates
The 2019 – 2020 Maui Property Tax Rates have been released. There was a slight increase in rates for many of the classifications from the previous year.
These real property tax rates are shown per $1000 of net taxable assessed valuation. The rates shown below are effective July 1, 2019, thru June 30, 2020.
The Residential Tax Rate is $5.60
The Apartment Tax Rate is $6.31
The Commercial Tax Rate is $7.39
The Industrial Tax Rate is $7.48
The Agricultural Tax Rate is $5.94
The Conservation Tax Rate is $6.43
The Hotel and Resort Tax Rate is $11.00
The Time Share Tax Rate is $14.40
The Homeowner Tax Rate is $2.90
The Commercialized Residential Rate is $4.60
The Short Term Rental Rate is $10.75
2019 Tax Rates Kauai
(Per $1,000 Net Assessed Valuation) Tax Rate Homestead $ 3.05 Residential $ 6.05 Residential Investor $ 8.05 Vacation Rental $ 9.85 Hotel and Resort $10.85 Commercial $ 8.10 Commercialized Home Use $ 5.05 Industrial $ 8.10 Agricultural $ 6.75 Conservation $ 6.75
That's true. However, if you're going to raise taxes, as a politician, do you raise taxes on those that vote, or on those that cannot vote?Thanks for the clarification, your details support my points. The property taxes are already higher for timeshares and hotels than for homeowner properties. Therefore, increasing those already higher property taxes on timeshares and hotels disproportionately more than homeowner properties due to the lost revenue due to the coronavirus after implementing a 14 day quarantine which discouraged(really prevented) owners from using the timeshare property that they pay property taxes on would be adding insult to injury.
There's a bit of a chicken-egg problem. Your post made me wonder, what does Hilton Hawaiian Village say/allow right now? So I logged in and this is the message for my "upcoming" (October) reservation:Pools and restaurants will be opening June 5th with restrictions. I think it will be important for inter-island flights to start without the quarantine. That will open up some hotels and timeshares.
That's true. However, if you're going to raise taxes, as a politician, do you raise taxes on those that vote, or on those that cannot vote?