Thread Dedicated to the Upcoming/Anticipated Integration of Vistana and Marriott Ownerships

[CPNY]

when we do an owner update or, as Hilton seems to be calling it now, a “portfolio review”, I spend about as much time listening in on the other tables as I do our own salesman. I am simply amazed at the ignorance of what a timeshare is from current owners doing their updates, how easily manipulated they can be and how ready they’ll jump head long into a very bad deal.

I DO THE SAME! Its insane how people sign onto something they have no idea what they are signing.

 

[dougp26364]

I DO THE SAME! Its insane how people sign onto something they have no idea what they are signing.

I’ve stopped trying to educate owners around the pool or hot tubs when we strike up a conversation. It just isn’t worth the effort and there’s always a ton of resistance. Instead I mention TUG as a source to help the, maximize their ownership. Who knows how many actually take my advice. I will answer questions. I just nod my head when they tell me how great exchanging for BonVoy points or a cruise is with timeshare.

 

[CPNY]

I’ve stopped trying to educate owners around the pool or hot tubs when we strike up a conversation. It just isn’t worth the effort and there’s always a ton of resistance. Instead I mention TUG as a source to help the, maximize their ownership. Who knows how many actually take my advice. I will answer questions. I just nod my head when they tell me how great exchanging for BonVoy points or a cruise is with timeshare.

I crack up when they boast “at first they wanted $30,000 but I said no and they came back with another offer that I refused. In the end I got them down to $26,000, I got a great deal”. I always follow up with have you ever heard of TUG? I know the answer is no before they answer. I then tell them to rescind then join TUG immediately lol.

(That happened at the surf club in Aruba)

 

[dioxide45]

Unfortunately online user forums are used by a very small percentage of the overall population. I am sure a lot more people read TUG forums than actually actively participate. For many, timeshare is way down their list of important things to concern themselves with. There are some statistics from research out there that indicate most people will forget half of what you told them within an hour, even more within a day and most of it within a week. Mention something and for the most part it doesn't stick for long. For many, they buy timeshare spontaneously and also think about it and make their reservations spontaneously. That is why so many people can't make the reservations they want, because they think about their reservations in January for spring break.

 

[cbyrne1174]

I find Disney owners are the least knowledgable. Even the ones that know about resale contracts are still oblivious that they can do the exact same thing with every other major company. They'll spend like $20,000 (buy in cost) just to be able to spend 1 week a year on site at WDW in a 1 bedroom unit and think it's an amazing deal because they got it resale. Sure it's cheaper then paying rack rates for deluxe rooms, but they don't bother researching other companies before taking the dive. When you look at average salaries across the US, maybe about 5% of the population can honestly afford those price tags without it affecting their retirement. They are fanatics and only want Disney brand and everything else is trash. It makes literally 0 sense because it's not for the kids. Marriott's World Center and Bonnet Creek are the resorts closest to WDW that have the best amenities for kids hands down.

People online always point out my opinion is because I'm local to WDW and get to go whenever I want, but honestly let's look at Hawaii..... If you do the math of trading into Marriott's Ko Olina by using the studio portion of a lock off, it ends up being like $100/night. The Ko Olina owners like to deposit their studio portions into II for a 2nd week because of it's TDI, so it's pretty easy to score a studio there with an OGS. If you price the cost of staying at Aulani using resale Saratoga Springs points, it ends up being $250 a night for a studio there. Is Aulani worth 2.5x the price of Marriott's Ko Olina for the exact same room type? I really don't think it is. As a result, when I go to Oahu, I will find a $100/night studio at Marriott with my lock off, then add on MAYBE 3 nights at Aulani for variety. Ironically, the 3 nights at Aulani is more expensive than the entire week at Ko Olina, but most DVC owners are blinded by the brand to see the difference in value.

This pattern isn't just with timeshares. People are just bad at making financial decisions in general. Look at the current real estate market blood bath. I've been holding off becoming a first time home buyer because I know that buying when rates are high is safer than when rates are low because low rates artifically inflates the value of the home. I've been at the point where I can afford to be a home owner for a few years now (I'm 32), but being able to afford the payments/maintenance is not the same thing as being able to afford to be stuck in a home that is actually worth 100k less than what you paid for it.

 

[Mowogo]

That is my understanding and that is how it works on the Marriott weeks side. The only way inventory gets in from Marriott weeks is when owners convert their week to Club Points. There can be other ways that MVC can manipulate the inventory inside the exchange company. Of course for Marriott, the DC trust is a big owner of inventory and also deposits most of its inventory to the MVC Exchange Company. I don't think this will or can happen on the Vistana side of things since the VSN layer also exists along with the Flex Trusts and they won't want Flex owners to lose the ability to trade their Home Options in VSN.

Figure that any unsold flex inventory is going to become the basis for DC Exchange even before flex owners start opting in. Depending on how manipulative they want to be with inventory is how much/little would be available to those that choose to convert vs those who do not. Converting Vistana elites to the level that gives 13 month access to DC booking can definitely encourage some more inventory trading if members want specific weeks. Retail owners might convert to DC because they are told converting is like getting access to VSN early. And if you have enough to be elite, it might actually be the smart play, especially if a Flex owner.

 

[Mowogo]

I find Disney owners are the least knowledgable. Even the ones that know about resale contracts are still oblivious that they can do the exact same thing with every other major company. They'll spend like $20,000 (buy in cost) just to be able to spend 1 week a year on site at WDW in a 1 bedroom unit and think it's an amazing deal because they got it resale. Sure it's cheaper then paying rack rates for deluxe rooms, but they don't bother researching other companies before taking the dive. When you look at average salaries across the US, maybe about 5% of the population can honestly afford those price tags without it affecting their retirement. They are fanatics and only want Disney brand and everything else is trash. It makes literally 0 sense because it's not for the kids. Marriott's World Center and Bonnet Creek are the resorts closest to WDW that have the best amenities for kids hands down.

People online always point out my opinion is because I'm local to WDW and get to go whenever I want, but honestly let's look at Hawaii..... If you do the math of trading into Marriott's Ko Olina by using the studio portion of a lock off, it ends up being like $100/night. The Ko Olina owners like to deposit their studio portions into II for a 2nd week because of it's TDI, so it's pretty easy to score a studio there with an OGS. If you price the cost of staying at Aulani using resale Saratoga Springs points, it ends up being $250 a night for a studio there. Is Aulani worth 2.5x the price of Marriott's Ko Olina for the exact same room type? I really don't think it is. As a result, when I go to Oahu, I will find a $100/night studio at Marriott with my lock off, then add on MAYBE 3 nights at Aulani for variety. Ironically, the 3 nights at Aulani is more expensive than the entire week at Ko Olina, but most DVC owners are blinded by the brand to see the difference in value.

This pattern isn't just with timeshares. People are just bad at making financial decisions in general. Look at the current real estate market blood bath. I've been holding off becoming a first time home buyer because I know that buying when rates are high is safer than when rates are low because low rates artifically inflates the value of the home. I've been at the point where I can afford to be a home owner for a few years now (I'm 32), but being able to afford the payments/maintenance is not the same thing as being able to afford to be stuck in a home that is actually worth 100k less than what you paid for it.

Disney sells the dream, and Aulani having the little Disney touches is cool, but I agree on it being nowhere near what is charged for the difference between MVC/HGVC and DVC. Now, I will consider exchanging into DVC at the right value proposition, and using a low maintenance fee exchanger is something that I’ve done the past two years where even with the fees I am getting a 1BR at Saratoga for around $1000 Because the small on property perks are worth it as a part of a Disney vacation at that pricing for a week.

 

[capjak]

Disney sells the dream, and Aulani having the little Disney touches is cool, but I agree on it being nowhere near what is charged for the difference between MVC/HGVC and DVC. Now, I will consider exchanging into DVC at the right value proposition, and using a low maintenance fee eybxchanger is something that I’ve done the past two years where even with the fees I am getting a 1BR at Saratoga for around $1000 Because the small on property perks are worth it as a part of a Disney vacation at that pricing for a week.

Except you can rent out Disney for more than twice the maintenance fee and it takes less than a week.

You can also sell your Disney for 50% more than 10 years ago resale prices have gone up that much (50%).

I can not do either with my other timeshares (maybe WKORV-North regarding rental).

 

[dhstache]

Amazed at the incorrect information being shared. There will be no merger, combining, consolidating, etc of the 3 VC brands...Westin, Sheraton, and Marriott. Nothing of Vistana will be added to the MVC Land Trust (legally can't). There will be a new "offering"...aka Capability...to reserve cross-brand without having to use Interval. It will be processed thru the Exhange Company same as international MVC locations (the MVC Land Trust is US properties only). It will not be launched for use until after June 17. This has all been announced and discussed at MVW Earnings Calls, Seminar Panels, and SEC Filings. Anything else is pure conjecture, especially statements by Sales Personnel, whose sole job is to sell you Points using very creative language. There have been no rules, process, restrictions, or procedures issued (in fact, have had some sales people make purposeful retraction of statements). Just going to sit back and wait until something official is published.

 

[CPNY]

Amazed at the incorrect information being shared. There will be no merger, combining, consolidating, etc of the 3 VC brands...Westin, Sheraton, and Marriott. Nothing of Vistana will be added to the MVC Land Trust (legally can't). There will be a new "offering"...aka Capability...to reserve cross-brand without having to use Interval. It will be processed thru the Exhange Company same as international MVC locations (the MVC Land Trust is US properties only). It will not be launched for use until after June 17. This has all been announced and discussed at MVW Earnings Calls, Seminar Panels, and SEC Filings. Anything else is pure conjecture, especially statements by Sales Personnel, whose sole job is to sell you Points using very creative language. There have been no rules, process, restrictions, or procedures issued (in fact, have had some sales people make purposeful retraction of statements). Just going to sit back and wait until something official is published.

I don’t think anyone here is saying that they will be truly combined or consolidated into the same land trust. Who really knows but We are all in agreement that Marriott can direct the vistana inventory they control and dump it into the DC exchange (their exchange company) regardless of the trust it is in. On the back end it’s all separate but to the consumer and the way sales will spin it is “it’s combined”. The biggest concern by most is, how much inventory can Marriott strip from the VSN to put into the exchange company.

 

[dioxide45]

Amazed at the incorrect information being shared. There will be no merger, combining, consolidating, etc of the 3 VC brands...Westin, Sheraton, and Marriott. Nothing of Vistana will be added to the MVC Land Trust (legally can't). There will be a new "offering"...aka Capability...to reserve cross-brand without having to use Interval. It will be processed thru the Exhange Company same as international MVC locations (the MVC Land Trust is US properties only). It will not be launched for use until after June 17. This has all been announced and discussed at MVW Earnings Calls, Seminar Panels, and SEC Filings. Anything else is pure conjecture, especially statements by Sales Personnel, whose sole job is to sell you Points using very creative language. There have been no rules, process, restrictions, or procedures issued (in fact, have had some sales people make purposeful retraction of statements). Just going to sit back and wait until something official is published.

What are your specific sources regarding the legality? I am not exactly sure why you don't think Westin & Sheraton timeshare weeks can't be added to the land trust? Marriott added Ritz Carlton and Grand Residence properties at one time. A land trust needs to only contain real estate and since a timeshare week is real estate there is nothing preventing any timeshare brand from being put into the same land trust. They could put a house in it if they wanted to, allocate points to each night occupancy of that house and sell those points.

If they stop selling Flex, they will have to do something with any Vistana deeds taken back as well as any Flex contracts they either ROFR on or foreclose they will still have to continue selling Flex or put those somehow into the DC land trust. Flex certainly can't go into the DC trust, but no reason Westin and Sheraton deeded weeks can't. I recall no legal filings with the SEC that would say otherwise. Perhaps you have some other sources. The earnings calls have been pretty vague as to any specific details.

 

[Maui.Hawaii]

Westin Flex owner here that just attended a Marriott Vacation Club presentation. They told me that the merger will take place by July 1st and I can continue to use my Westin Flex as it currently exists after the merger. However, if I want to ever reserve any of the 73 properties currently in the MVC Trust, I will need to purchase four 250 point intervals (1,000 MVC points) to "join" the MVC Trust. Now when we bought the Westin Flex plan the salesman told me that once the merger was completed I would have access to all the Marriott properties. I guess he didn't lie, he just didn't tell me I would have to pay more money to buy more points in order to access the MVC properties!

So I need to buy 1,000 MVC points to be a part of the MVC Trust but of course they are only selling a minimum of 1,500 points so I would need to buy that to have access to the current MVC Trust properties. My Westin points will exchange to MVC points at a 28.824 to 1 ratio, so my current 150,000 Westin points will get me 5,204 MVC points. They will sell me 1,500 MVC points so I can be part of the Trust for $19,360 or $0.12907 per point. They also have said that with the 1,500 MVC points I am buying plus the 5,204 MVC points I will have from the Westin conversion, I will have a total 6,704 MVC points. The salesman said with that many MVC points, I should buy the little bit more needed to get to the MVC VIP Executive level of 7,000 MVC points so that I will not only get into the MVC Trust but also get VIP Executive level which means I can reserve at 13 months instead of 12 months.

So please provide feedback as what here is the truth, what is false, and what would you do?

 

[Eric B]

Westin Flex owner here that just attended a Marriott Vacation Club presentation. They told me that the merger will take place by July 1st and I can continue to use my Westin Flex as it currently exists after the merger. However, if I want to ever reserve any of the 73 properties currently in the MVC Trust, I will need to purchase four 250 point intervals (1,000 MVC points) to "join" the MVC Trust. Now when we bought the Westin Flex plan the salesman told me that once the merger was completed I would have access to all the Marriott properties. I guess he didn't lie, he just didn't tell me I would have to pay more money to buy more points in order to access the MVC properties!

So I need to buy 1,000 MVC points to be a part of the MVC Trust but of course they are only selling a minimum of 1,500 points so I would need to buy that to have access to the current MVC Trust properties. My Westin points will exchange to MVC points at a 28.824 to 1 ratio, so my current 150,000 Westin points will get me 5,204 MVC points. They will sell me 1,500 MVC points so I can be part of the Trust for $19,360 or $0.12907 per point. They also have said that with the 1,500 MVC points I am buying plus the 5,204 MVC points I will have from the Westin conversion, I will have a total 6,704 MVC points. The salesman said with that many MVC points, I should buy the little bit more needed to get to the MVC VIP Executive level of 7,000 MVC points so that I will not only get into the MVC Trust but also get VIP Executive level which means I can reserve at 13 months instead of 12 months.

So please provide feedback as what here is the truth, what is false, and what would you do?

It's worth the paper it's printed on. I would wait until there is an official announcement, then research and decide whether or not I really want to have the access to the MVC properties via that mechanism rather than via II, ThirdHome, etc., enough to justify the additional cost. At this point, I'm not sure it would be worth it for that much up front and an additional set of MFs.

 

[JIMinNC]

Amazed at the incorrect information being shared. There will be no merger, combining, consolidating, etc of the 3 VC brands...Westin, Sheraton, and Marriott. Nothing of Vistana will be added to the MVC Land Trust (legally can't). There will be a new "offering"...aka Capability...to reserve cross-brand without having to use Interval. It will be processed thru the Exhange Company same as international MVC locations (the MVC Land Trust is US properties only). It will not be launched for use until after June 17. This has all been announced and discussed at MVW Earnings Calls, Seminar Panels, and SEC Filings. Anything else is pure conjecture, especially statements by Sales Personnel, whose sole job is to sell you Points using very creative language. There have been no rules, process, restrictions, or procedures issued (in fact, have had some sales people make purposeful retraction of statements). Just going to sit back and wait until something official is published.

I'm not sure it's necessarily true that the June 17 date is specifically relevant to when the launch date of the consolidated product is going to be. June 17 is the date of Marriott Vacations Worldwide's next Investor Day. While it's true they did mention they would be discussing the "new unified product" offering during that meeting, the focus of that discussion will be much broader and will include briefings on how a variety of their new initiatives will impact their overall business - sales growth, expense management, etc. The audience for that meeting is the investor community, Wall Street analysts, etc., so their focus is very "big picture." It's entirely possible that many of the new initiatives they will be discussing on June 17 are already in process or even already being implemented. They will just discuss on June 17 how they see those initiatives impacting the long term growth of their business. While it is certainly entirely possible they could, in fact, wait until after the June 17 meeting to divulge any more details of the combined offering, I have not heard them say anything in their earnings calls that would prevent them from announcing more details prior to that point. Steve Weisz's exact quote from the last earnings call was:

"We also have a lot of new things we've been working on to grow our business long term, which we will discuss in more detail during our June 17 Investor Day. From launching a new unified product combining our Westin, Marriott, and Sheraton branded products into one new offering, to investing to provide more personalized experiences for our customer, to using data analytics in new and exciting ways to further enhance our business, we are in a great position to grow our company this year, and for many years to come."

 

[kozykritter]

Westin Flex owner here that just attended a Marriott Vacation Club presentation. They told me that the merger will take place by July 1st and I can continue to use my Westin Flex as it currently exists after the merger. However, if I want to ever reserve any of the 73 properties currently in the MVC Trust, I will need to purchase four 250 point intervals (1,000 MVC points) to "join" the MVC Trust. Now when we bought the Westin Flex plan the salesman told me that once the merger was completed I would have access to all the Marriott properties. I guess he didn't lie, he just didn't tell me I would have to pay more money to buy more points in order to access the MVC properties!

So I need to buy 1,000 MVC points to be a part of the MVC Trust but of course they are only selling a minimum of 1,500 points so I would need to buy that to have access to the current MVC Trust properties. My Westin points will exchange to MVC points at a 28.824 to 1 ratio, so my current 150,000 Westin points will get me 5,204 MVC points. They will sell me 1,500 MVC points so I can be part of the Trust for $19,360 or $0.12907 per point. They also have said that with the 1,500 MVC points I am buying plus the 5,204 MVC points I will have from the Westin conversion, I will have a total 6,704 MVC points. The salesman said with that many MVC points, I should buy the little bit more needed to get to the MVC VIP Executive level of 7,000 MVC points so that I will not only get into the MVC Trust but also get VIP Executive level which means I can reserve at 13 months instead of 12 months.

So please provide feedback as what here is the truth, what is false, and what would you do?

What a MVC salesperson told you makes sense if they are trying to get you to buy DC points. It flies completely in the face of what a Vistana insider has shared in the Vistana form so I suggest that you go there and read all the answers that were given to user questions, if you haven't already:

UPDATE: Marriott sales now has the merger details and they are allowed to discuss them with owners.

3/27/22 UPDATE: My "Source" is very knowledgeable and well-respected in the timeshare community. Anyone who thinks I would "promote" something unethical doesn't know me, or TUG very well. Rude responses will be deleted. This thread is for two purposes 1. For Tuggers to ask brief questions. 2...

tugbbs.com

 

[CPNY]

I wonder how they will handle resale DC points purchases from Vistana owners. Resale DC points count toward status levels once you pay the junk fee. I’d assume if your Vistana VOI converted to 4501 points and you purchased 2500 DC points resale, then you would be whatever level 7K would get you. Once again, resale is best

 

[JIMinNC]

Westin Flex owner here that just attended a Marriott Vacation Club presentation. They told me that the merger will take place by July 1st and I can continue to use my Westin Flex as it currently exists after the merger. However, if I want to ever reserve any of the 73 properties currently in the MVC Trust, I will need to purchase four 250 point intervals (1,000 MVC points) to "join" the MVC Trust. Now when we bought the Westin Flex plan the salesman told me that once the merger was completed I would have access to all the Marriott properties. I guess he didn't lie, he just didn't tell me I would have to pay more money to buy more points in order to access the MVC properties!

So I need to buy 1,000 MVC points to be a part of the MVC Trust but of course they are only selling a minimum of 1,500 points so I would need to buy that to have access to the current MVC Trust properties. My Westin points will exchange to MVC points at a 28.824 to 1 ratio, so my current 150,000 Westin points will get me 5,204 MVC points. They will sell me 1,500 MVC points so I can be part of the Trust for $19,360 or $0.12907 per point. They also have said that with the 1,500 MVC points I am buying plus the 5,204 MVC points I will have from the Westin conversion, I will have a total 6,704 MVC points. The salesman said with that many MVC points, I should buy the little bit more needed to get to the MVC VIP Executive level of 7,000 MVC points so that I will not only get into the MVC Trust but also get VIP Executive level which means I can reserve at 13 months instead of 12 months.

So please provide feedback as what here is the truth, what is false, and what would you do?

The basic truth is, we do not know what the truth is...yet. The sales rep is trying to make a sale today, so just as they have done for the last 2-3 years, they are trying to say that you will need to buy a base interest in the MVC Trust to be able to reserve MVC properties. That may or may not be true. Not enough specific information has been released yet from MVC Corporate to know whether that is true or not. In fact, some other TUGgers have posted earlier in this thread that they were told recently that no purchase would be required for Westin Flex to be usable to book MVC properties. So, I would not buy anything right now based on representations made by a rep who is trying to sell you something today. Wait until MVC Corporate provides more written details on what the new program is going to look like.

One thing that I think is correct, because it's now been heard from multiple presentations by multiple TUGgers, is the 28.84 or so to 1 conversion ratio of Westin Flex to MVC Trust Points. That is being consistently reported by multiple people. So, you can probably assume that your 150,000 Westin points will translate to around 5200 MVC Points. Whether you will actually need to buy anything new to get that conversion, is not yet known for sure. If I were you, the only reason I would even consider buying any additional points right now would be if you know 100% you want to get the Executive Level benefits that require 7000 MVC points. You are short of that level now, so if you want those benefits, you will either need to buy MVC points direct from MVC or on the resale market. Resale will be much cheaper, and once you pay the $3/point initiation fee to MVC, resale points will function just like points bought from MVC - at least that's they way it has worked for the last decade or so.

 

[JIMinNC]

Amazed at the incorrect information being shared. There will be no merger, combining, consolidating, etc of the 3 VC brands...Westin, Sheraton, and Marriott. Nothing of Vistana will be added to the MVC Land Trust (legally can't). There will be a new "offering"...aka Capability...to reserve cross-brand without having to use Interval. It will be processed thru the Exhange Company same as international MVC locations (the MVC Land Trust is US properties only). It will not be launched for use until after June 17. This has all been announced and discussed at MVW Earnings Calls, Seminar Panels, and SEC Filings. Anything else is pure conjecture, especially statements by Sales Personnel, whose sole job is to sell you Points using very creative language. There have been no rules, process, restrictions, or procedures issued (in fact, have had some sales people make purposeful retraction of statements). Just going to sit back and wait until something official is published.

After reading through the thread linked above by @kozykritter, I think there is some seemingly correct info that we now have:

1. While each of the three VC brands - Westin, Sheraton, and Marriott - will retain their current branding as you say, Westin/Sheraton owners (Flex and weeks, except for resale Westin/Sheraton week owners), will be able to elect for MVC Points starting this summer for travel in 2023 just as legacy MVC weeks owners have been doing since 2010.
2. Westin/Sheraton Elite Levels will map over to MVC Elite Levels
3. At some point, sales of Westin Flex and Sheraton Flex will cease (I would bet that happens fairly shortly after or concurrent with the summer start of cross-brand bookings). This means any unsold Westin/Sheraton intervals will likely begin being deeded over to the same Trust that owns MVC intervals. Not sure how they would handle unsold interests that have already been deeded over too the former Vistana trusts.
4. When the Westin/Sheraton intervals begin being deposited into the MVC Exchange Company this summer, existing MVC Destination Club owners will have the ability to book those Westin/Sheraton nights. Any Westin/Sheraton intervals that become owned by the MVC Trust will also be available to all DC owners.
5. Points charts for some former VSN resorts are still being tweaked.

 

[rthib]

Someone posted this on Marriot Insiders page. Said they got it at an owners update. Nothing new but it is a nice map to show where everything is

 

[dansimms]

I am touring at Ocean Pointe on April 8th. I am already a grandfathered Chairman. Curious to see if there will be a benefit level above Chairman that isn't too far out of reach. The extra perks would have to be substantial. But if I have to jump up another 7000 Trust Points, there is no way I can justify something remotely close to that.

 

[kds4]

I am touring at Ocean Pointe on April 8th. I am already a grandfathered Chairman. Curious to see if there will be a benefit level above Chairman that isn't too far out of reach. The extra perks would have to be substantial. But if I have to jump up another 7000 Trust Points, there is no way I can justify something remotely close to that.

At our last owner update (earlier this month) we were told that owners can/will continue to be grand-fathered (but only one level). If you want the higher benefits of a prospective level above CC, perhaps buying just what you need to get to Chairman Club now without being grandfathered (before the new level above CC is introduced - which we have heard from multiple sources over the past year is coming) is the way to go. If you are Chairman's Club based on actual ownership, you could set yourself up to be grandfathered to the next higher level when/if it is rolled out. We were grand-fathered CC at one time, but bought 1,500 resale points (and paid the fees) to get there on our own a few years back for just this reason ...

 

[alexadeparis]

I posted this on the other thread as well: I went to a presentation today and was able to take a photo of my sheet showing the MVC DC point values assigned. As you can see, they know exactly what is voluntary, mandatory, retroed, and not. Confirmed that they do NOT know when or if HRA will be brought in, or Riverfront. According to my rep this is because both are owned by other companies and only managed by Vistana, but they are working on both. Tried to get me to purchase an eoy Westin flex package to bring in my unauthorized SVV and hope that when HRA comes online i can make it to Chairman before they raise the points levels. Hard pass.
We here on tug know everything the reps know, other than what our individual units will earn in MVC. They couldn't outright deny that there may be a future opportunity to enroll these a ala the June 2010 cutoff for Marriott, so i will just wait and see.

 

[CPNY]

I posted this on the other thread as well: I went to a presentation today and was able to take a photo of my sheet showing the MVC DC point values assigned. As you can see, they know exactly what is voluntary, mandatory, retroed, and not. Confirmed that they do NOT know when or if HRA will be brought in, or Riverfront. According to my rep this is because both are owned by other companies and only managed by Vistana, but they are working on both. Tried to get me to purchase an eoy Westin flex package to bring in my unauthorized SVV and hope that when HRA comes online i can make it to Chairman before they raise the points levels. Hard pass.
We here on tug know everything the reps know, other than what our individual units will earn in MVC. They couldn't outright deny that there may be a future opportunity to enroll these a ala the June 2010 cutoff for Marriott, so i will just wait and see.

I bet they are working very hard to get HRA in. I for one really hope that they cannot. Did your rep confirm that unauthorized mandatory resale would not be eligible to convert? It seems that’s the consensus however at @jabberwocky update today his sales rep said mandatory un-authorized would be eligible. I guess time will tell

 

[VacationForever]

I posted this on the other thread as well: I went to a presentation today and was able to take a photo of my sheet showing the MVC DC point values assigned. As you can see, they know exactly what is voluntary, mandatory, retroed, and not. Confirmed that they do NOT know when or if HRA will be brought in, or Riverfront. According to my rep this is because both are owned by other companies and only managed by Vistana, but they are working on both. Tried to get me to purchase an eoy Westin flex package to bring in my unauthorized SVV and hope that when HRA comes online i can make it to Chairman before they raise the points levels. Hard pass.
We here on tug know everything the reps know, other than what our individual units will earn in MVC. They couldn't outright deny that there may be a future opportunity to enroll these a ala the June 2010 cutoff for Marriott, so i will just wait and see.

So did the salesperson say whether resale mandatory week is eligible for MVC enrollment?

 

[dioxide45]

It seems we really can't take the word of a salesperson on what or which VOIs will be able to be enrolled. Denise's contact says one thing, a rep at an owner update says another. It seems we can't rely on them for information because they may not know, or make it up as they go. We won't really know until Marriott announcement the damn thing and lets us go in and actually look at stuff for ourselves.