Thread Dedicated to the Upcoming/Anticipated Integration of Vistana and Marriott Ownerships

[dioxide45]

Our WKV 81,000- is 2,850 marriott- our WRF 95,700 is 2,250 marriott- our Sheraton 44,000 is 900 Marriott

What season and unit sizes are these? Which Sheraton is the 44K at? I didn't think Westin Riverfront was going to be included at the outset?

 

[needvaca]

We own 2 Westin properties and in 2020 thought buying 1,500 DP with Marriott would help bridge our ownerships. We just went to Marriott update last week and they tried to convince us we should buy 1500 more DP points to jump to next level the break down they offered us 4500 one time points- 1500 yearly DP after discounts etc. for $17,640. Bottom line we turned it down.
Our WKV 81,000- is 2,850 marriott- our WRF 95,700 is 2,250 marriott- our Sheraton 44,000 is 900 Marriott- i doubt we would ever change over to use the marriott properties with those- We have however enjoyed using our Marriott DP for 5 night get aways (Hilton Head- Myrtle Beach- going to Frenchman's cove in Nov) Everyone's travel needs are different, Good Luck with your decision.

another Tug member said their salesperson said 2600 for the WKV 81,000. Did you see the 2,850 in writing, on a slide, etc. or was it just verbal? I hope it's the 2850

 

[dioxide45]

another Tug member said their salesperson said 2600 for the WKV 81,000. Did you see the 2,850 in writing, on a slide, etc. or was it just verbal? I hope it's the 2850

We don't know what 81,000 it is actually for. Is it a Gold+ season 2BR or the 1BR side of the 2BR LO in Platinum+ season. Those two 81K may have different DC point allocations.

 

[VacationForever]

another Tug member said their salesperson said 2600 for the WKV 81,000. Did you see the 2,850 in writing, on a slide, etc. or was it just verbal? I hope it's the 2850

See this post. 1BR premium platinum season translates to 2600. 2BR Gold translates roughly to 3460.

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I have been a long time loyalist (hotel) of Westin and Marriott when I was travelling for business, I have always liked both equally, and that extends to timeshare. I don't think one is better than the other. Marriott is certainly more aggressive for its shareholders and bottom line. I used...

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[dioxide45]

See this post. 1BR premium platinum season translates to 2600. 2BR Gold translates roughly to 3460.

CLOSED: Thread Dedicated to the Upcoming/Anticipated Integration of Vistana & Marriott Ownerships (Marriott Link + Vistana Discussion)

I have been a long time loyalist (hotel) of Westin and Marriott when I was travelling for business, I have always liked both equally, and that extends to timeshare. I don't think one is better than the other. Marriott is certainly more aggressive for its shareholders and bottom line. I used...

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I am not sure we can rely on those values. If you convert the 1BR small and 1BR large separately, the total is higher than the entire 2BR unit. I

 

[CPNY]

I am not sure we can rely on those values. If you convert the 1BR small and 1BR large separately, the total is higher than the entire 2BR unit. I

You probably can’t convert them separately. It seems that you have to convert the whole VOI according to “sources”.

 

[dioxide45]

You probably can’t convert them separately. It seems that you have to convert the whole VOI according to “sources”.

They may require an owner to convert the entire 2BR, but with Vistana each side of a lock off is a separate VOI. With Marriott, it is all one ownership. We will have to wait and see how Marriott does this with Vistana.

 

[Venter]

They may require an owner to convert the entire 2BR, but with Vistana each side of a lock off is a separate VOI. With Marriott, it is all one ownership. We will have to wait and see how Marriott does this with Vistana.

Denise's source said Vistana owners will have to elect the whole unit. You will not be able to choose a side and just elect that to use

 

[dioxide45]

Denise's source said Vistana owners will have to elect the whole unit. You will not be able to choose a side and just elect that to use

This is what the source said. It seems my interpretation of this is different than others?

Is the election for Vistana into DC a one time decision or an annual decision (like currently exchanging for Bonvoy/Interval)?
Every year you decide what does and does not go in DC. You can split but each VOI can't be split, you owns a 148,100 flex, it all goes in or none of it

 

[kozykritter]

I would think a VOI would be defined as a contract. You have one underlying purchase contract for the lock off, right? I would guess that is considered one VOI even though the system treats it as two separate units. Seems like we won't know for sure until we know for sure

 

[Eric B]

I would think a VOI would be defined as a contract. You have one underlying purchase contract for the lock off, right? I would guess that is considered one VOI even though the system treats it as two separate units. Seems like we won't know for sure until we know for sure

I believe in Vistana, a 2 BR LO is treated as 2 separate VOIs that have their own housekeeping allotment associated with them. If someone books the two sides separately using their ownership in the 2 BR LO, they aren't charged for an additional housekeeping service, while if you use the SOs from a different VOI to book the 2, you'd be charged for an extra housekeeping above the number of VOIs you own, assuming that you didn't draw from housekeeping allocations for any other VOIs you own..

 

[dioxide45]

I would think a VOI would be defined as a contract. You have one underlying purchase contract for the lock off, right? I would guess that is considered one VOI even though the system treats it as two separate units. Seems like we won't know for sure until we know for sure

When you buy a lock off, you are actually deeded two different VOIs, I am almost certain they each have their own contract number.

 

[seagila]

When you buy a lock off, you are actually deeded two different VOIs, I am almost certain they each have their own contract number.

Looks like a lock-off is considered one VOI and only has one contract number.

 

[dioxide45]

Looks like a lock-off is considered one VOI and only has one contract number.

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When you are looking on the StarOption summary, is each side listed separately?

 

[seagila]

When you are looking on the StarOption summary, is each side listed separately?

The booking system sees the lock-off as two separate units that can be reserved and/or deposited into II either as a full two-bedroom or individual one-bedroom units. Vistana's system is definitely more sophisticated than Marriott's archaic one. I've always thought it excessive that Marriott charges a lock-off fee and reservation cancellation fee to unenrolled weeks owners.

 

[TravelTime]

To me, a huge issue with Vistana is if you do not use, rent or deposit your mandatory home resort in the year it is awarded, you can’t do much with it except exchange within VSN at 8 months. At 8 months, there is not much desirable inventory left.

 

[CPNY]

Vistana's system is definitely more sophisticated than Marriott's archaic one.

don’t worry, Marriott is working hard to make Vistana’s site more archaic and it’s working! Well not the site, the site isn’t working.

 

[VacationForever]

To me, a huge issue with Vistana is if you do not use, rent or deposit your mandatory home resort in the year it is awarded, you can’t do much with it except exchange within VSN at 8 months. At 8 months, there is not much desirable inventory left.

Not for where we love to visit every year and I have always been able to book using SOs at 8 months.

 

[CPNY]

Not for where we love to visit every year and I have always been able to book using SOs at 8 months.

Same! I’ve been so happy with what I’ve been able to do with star options. That includes school holiday weeks on occasion. It’s been great and I do hope it continues.

 

[TravelTime]

Not for where we love to visit every year and I have always been able to book using SOs at 8 months.

I am not talking about using it if you love it. I mean if for whatever reason, you are not able to use your home resort in the 12 months allocated, using Star Options at 8 months is not great. I did a search for 8 month inventory this week and there is nothing I would want. Also I need when kids are out of school, further limiting options. With MVC, I get 2.5 years to use my DPs anywhere I want to go with a 13 month booking window. How can VSN be better than this?

 

[VacationForever]

I am not talking about using it if you love it. I mean if for whatever reason, you are not able to use your home resort in the 12 months allocated, using Star Options at 8 months is not great. I did a search for 8 month inventory this week and there is nothing I would want. Also I need when kids are out of school, further limiting options.

My point is I don't want to travel to my home resort. I use SOs to book at other resorts which we love to travel to at 8 months.

 

[TravelTime]

My point is I don't want to travel to my home resort. I use SOs to book at other resorts which we love to travel to at 8 months.

Oh, okay. I misunderstood. How do you get 2 BR units during peak seasons at 8 months? Before we adopted our children, I could sometimes find a 1 BR off season with SOs at 8 months. I once got lucky and booked a 1 BR OF at WKOVR. But then I also lost 81,000 SOs last year when I could not find anything to use them for.

 

[Ken555]

To me, a huge issue with Vistana is if you do not use, rent or deposit your mandatory home resort in the year it is awarded, you can’t do much with it except exchange within VSN at 8 months. At 8 months, there is not much desirable inventory left.

Here you go again. I’ve used SOs for every use year since I bought my WKV except the last couple due to the pandemic, and I’ve always exchanged for WKORV or other desirable locations at the time I wanted to go.

I even booked Harborside for this year without issue. But go on, keep saying there’s nothing desirable left…


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[VacationForever]

Oh, okay. I misunderstood. How do you get 2 BR units during peak seasons at 8 months? Before we adopted our children, I could sometimes find a 1 BR off season with SOs at 8 months. I once got lucky and booked a 1 BR OF at WKOVR. But then I also lost 81,000 SOs last year when I could not find anything to use them for.

Generally we only travel to Ko Olina if we want to go to Hawaii. We have been to Westin Kaanapali, Princeville, Marriott Kaui and Maui resorts and just never have the desire to go back to any of these places again. We also don't like crowds and prefer to travel in Winter and Fall, and usually go to Kierland and Mission Hills in the Westin system and Desert Springs in the Marriott system. During summer, we go to Newport Coast in June and August.

 

[CPNY]

Here you go again. I’ve used SOs for every use year since I bought my WKV except the last couple due to the pandemic, and I’ve always exchanged for WKORV or other desirable locations at the time I wanted to go.

I even booked Harborside for this year without issue. But go on, keep saying there’s nothing desirable left…


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Which week? I know Marriott made more inventory available for owners and it seemed that there has been a ton of Harborside lately. More than normal years. I was able to book 4th of a July week!