Masks and male behavior

[Gypsy65]

Wait, you are one of those that still insist on using filthy paper money and dirty coins?

Waiting for someone to dig coins out of a purse or pocket at the checkout is more annoying that not wearing a mask.

Google or Apple Pay on your phone, just wave it near the card reader, and you get bonus points or cash back for using credit cards.


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No
I rarely even have cash on me but when this whole thing started I did grab some just in case so I’ve been using some of it lately for non business expenditures

I usually always use a card as most everything is itemized business expense

 

[Gypsy65]

There was a time during the 1800s when not taking a shower for weeks was perfectly acceptable. Although there is no law, people now shower at least a few times a week. This is considered good hygiene and courteous to others.

Doctors wear masks. The government experts recommend wearing masks. Covid is more infectious than the flu and there is no vaccine.

Times change. Norms change. A person's choice to wear a mask doesn't affect your rights. But your choice not to wear a mask affects other peoples' rights.

Either get over it, or stay home and find ways to remain socially distant so your choice doesn't affect others.

Please explain how a person who chooses not to wear a mask is in violation of your right?

Store or zip code requirements aside

If there is no law. No store mandate for a mask the. Those who wear one or those who do not are both equally within each other’s right

Deal with the non wearers or stay home. Right?

Again. Not aimed at you but rather the discussion so don’t take my comments personally

 

[Panina]

Thought: Is there a component of mysophobia going on here in regards to reactions to C19, particularly in regards to advocating for mask usage?

Time will tell. I guess what bothers me most is I wear a mask and accept science later might prove it wasn’t necessary. Everyone who doesn’t and says others should stay home if they don’t like it cannot acknowledge science later might prove them wrong and they made the situation worse.

 

[Gypsy65]

We have some who want to burn the planet and start anew
Others don’t see anything wrong

Somewhere in the middle is the truth and solution

 

[cman]

Thought: Is there a component of mysophobia going on here in regards to reactions to C19, particularly in regards to advocating for mask usage?

Possibly, but I usually associate "mysophobia" with irrational actions such as compulsive hand washing. That's not what's happening here. Keep in mind that wearing a mask is recommended the CDC, WHO, the EU Health Commission, in addition to the public health organizations of almost every country in the world. But as always, there will never be a shortage of people that think they know better.

Here's the CDC reccomendation: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/cloth-face-coverings-information.pdf

Here's the World Health Organization reccomendation: https://www.who.int/emergencies/dis...9/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

This is from the European CDC: https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/infographic-using-face-masks-community

Pick any country you like, and you'll find the same or similar guidance. But like I said, "there will never be a shortage of people that think they know better".

 

[WVBaker]

Either get over it, or stay home and find ways to remain socially distant so your choice doesn't affect others.

People have always or least should, question any response thought to be valid response, regardless of how many accept it.

Just one case involved a Polio vaccine in the 1990s There was a known risk of the vaccination, which caused roughly one case of the disease per 2.4 million doses, often in people with an immune deficiency. A safer, inactivated, polio vaccine was available at the time, but the oral vaccine was cheaper, easier to administer and thought to be more effective at controlling outbreaks. Should the individuals who refused that vaccine, "Either get over it, or hang onto your buggy whip"?

Another was a 1976 swine-flu vaccine distributed in the United States was associated with between five and nine cases per one million vaccine recipients. Scientists were specifically looking for Guillain-Barré syndrome, a paralytic disorder that is often treatable but can cause long-term disability or death.During the 2009–10 pandemic, something stranger turned up: some 60 cases of narcolepsy emerged among 4- to 19-year-olds in Finland. Most had received the H1N1 vaccine Pandemrix, made by GlaxoSmithKline in Brentford, UK. Another narcolepsy cluster showed up in Sweden. Should those individuals also have been told "Either get over it, or hang onto your buggy whip"?

What is thought to be sound medical advice one day, may not be the next. We should not disparage someone simply because they choose not to follow along with the masses.

 

[dsmrp]

I've been making cloth masks for family n' friends. Have more fabrics in colors and prints I think women would like. So on a few I ask DD, would a guy wear this color? Most times her answer is yes. Or darker colors which I think women wouldn't prefer, she thinks they would wear. She's been giving out some masks to her patients.

DH read on his news feed about a few businesses refusing to admit people who were wearing masks. Personally I'd take my business elsewhere.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

Please explain how a person who chooses not to wear a mask is in violation of your right?

Store or zip code requirements aside

If there is no law. No store mandate for a mask the. Those who wear one or those who do not are both equally within each other’s right

Deal with the non wearers or stay home. Right?

Again. Not aimed at you but rather the discussion so don’t take my comments personally

Yep. Non-mask wearers could be infecting others and may not know it...or do they mistakenly believe they are divinely superior and could never get sick?

What is this first grade? If one needs a law to adhere to common courtesy, then it is a sad state indeed. I don't like wearing a mask but I will do so out of courtesy for others and to protect my own health.

I am not disparaging your choice. Just saying that those that choose otherwise need to stay home or stay away so you are not imposing your choice on other peoples' rights.

My choice to wear a mask doesn't affect your rights but your choosing not to wear one in public spaces affects mine.

 

[WVBaker]

Possibly, but I usually associate "mysophobia" with irrational actions such as compulsive hand washing.

So much more.

Signs of Mysophobia
avoiding places perceived as germ-filled
spending excessive time cleaning and decontaminating
washing hands obsessively
refusing to share personal items
avoiding physical contact with others
fearing contamination of children
avoiding crowds or animals

Mysophobia (Germophobia): Are You a Germaphobe?

If you're a germaphobe who feels irrational fear and anxiety when encountering scenarios that involve germs, you may suffer from Mysophobia (Germophobia)

www.psycom.net

 

[cman]

We should not disparage someone simply because they choose not to follow along with the masses.

Agreed. However, I have no problem disparaging someone that refuses to extend a common courtesy.

 

[TravelTime]

Humans have evolved to minimize the spread of disease and shun those who are not careful. I think the worldwide response to Covid reflects this. I am not saying that we should not be worried and not take precautions but if we put this disease into evolutionary perspective, then the widespread anxiety about Covid makes sense.

The fear of coronavirus is changing our psychology

The threat of contagion can twist our psychological responses to ordinary interactions, leading us to behave in unexpected ways.

www.bbc.com

Anything that reduces the risk of infection in the first place should therefore have offered a distinct survival advantage. For this reason, we evolved a set of unconscious psychological responses – which Schaller has termed the “behavioural immune system” – to act as a first line of defence to reduce our contact with potential pathogens.

Since humans are a social species that evolved to live in big groups, the behavioural immune system also modified our interactions with people to minimise the spread of disease, leading to a kind of instinctive social distancing.

Apparently any signs of free thinking – even invention and innovation – become less valued when there is the risk of contagion. In explicit questionnaires, they are also more likely to agree with statements such as “breaking social norms can have harmful, unintended consequences”.

 

[WVBaker]

Agreed. However, I have no problem disparaging someone that refuses to extend a common courtesy.

Which is certainly your right however, don't insist others are in some way wrong if they choose not to.

 

[Gypsy65]

Yep. Non-mask wearers could be infecting others and may not know it...or do they mistakenly believe they are divinely superior and could never get sick?

What is this first grade? If one needs a law to adhere to common courtesy, then it is a sad state indeed. I don't like wearing a mask but I will do so out of courtesy for others and to protect my own health.

I am not disparaging your choice. Just saying that those that choose otherwise need to stay home or stay away so you are not imposing your choice on other peoples' rights.

My choice to wear a mask doesn't affect your rights but your choosing not to wear one affects mine.

Well what is it?
You said common courtesy and right

Common courtesy I get
The it’s your right over mine I don’t

You go to Walmart with a mask. That’s your right
I go with out. That my right
Your right doesn’t trump mine and nor does mine your
I won’t forfeit my rights or freedoms so others can impose theirs.

If that’s the case then when we get chipped we will also all wear the same uniform and stand shoulder to shoulder at attention while we get our orders

Yeah. That’s extreme. But not far fetched

 

[cman]

So much more.

Signs of Mysophobia
avoiding places perceived as germ-filled
spending excessive time cleaning and decontaminating
washing hands obsessively
refusing to share personal items
avoiding physical contact with others
fearing contamination of children
avoiding crowds or animals

Mysophobia (Germophobia): Are You a Germaphobe?

If you're a germaphobe who feels irrational fear and anxiety when encountering scenarios that involve germs, you may suffer from Mysophobia (Germophobia)

www.psycom.net

I hear you. But that's not what's happening here. The difference is in this case, masks are recommended by public health officials as a means to reduce transmission of the virus. Mysopobia, is an irrational response, wearing a mask is an informed one. Big difference.

 

[WVBaker]

I hear you. But that's not what's happening here. The difference is in this case, masks are recommended by public health officials as a means to reduce transmission of the virus. Mysopobia, is an irrational response, wearing a mask is an informed one. Big difference.

I suppose we'll simply agree to disagree.

 

[TravelTime]

So much more.

Signs of Mysophobia
avoiding places perceived as germ-filled
spending excessive time cleaning and decontaminating
washing hands obsessively
refusing to share personal items
avoiding physical contact with others
fearing contamination of children
avoiding crowds or animals

Mysophobia (Germophobia): Are You a Germaphobe?

If you're a germaphobe who feels irrational fear and anxiety when encountering scenarios that involve germs, you may suffer from Mysophobia (Germophobia)

www.psycom.net

Mysophobia might be an evolutionary response to the fear of germs. I suspect the strong responses to the risk of Covid is shaped by human evolution to minimize diseases and shun others who do not follow the “rules.”

Misunderstanding Microbes – Mysophobia

www.calmclinic.com

“While the above theories are related to the point of view that holds that nurture has more to do with phobia than nature, evolutionary psychologists have suggested that predisposition towards disorders like mysophobia and OCD may be at least partially the result of genetics. Their theory holds that humans who were highly aware of cleanliness and possible health hazards within their living area might have been more likely to survive than others who weren’t, leading to a genetic trait that is more prominent in some than in others. Remember that not long ago in our history, there was no such thing as soap, and so exposure to countless germs could mean early death in a way that is no longer true.”

 

[Gypsy65]

I’m thinking one day we will hear commercials that go
Do you or someone you know suffer from xyz caused from wearing a mask during C19?
You may be entitled to compensation

 

[cman]

Which is certainly your right however, don't insist others are in some way wrong if they choose not to.

But they are wrong. They're just as wrong as someone that coughs in a crowded room and "refuses" to cover their mouths. It's rude and inconsiderate of others. Such a person should be disparaged.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

One has a right to not wear a mask when it doesn't affect others' rights. However when one imposes that choice by breathing their germs on others in a public space, then they are impinging on other peoples' rights to clean air. Claiming "this is my right" reeks of entitlement. This is no different than second-hand smoke on an airplane.

There is a point where personal freedom crosses into the realm of personal entitlement.

One can certainly avoid wearing a mask when the law allows. But don't expect to be welcome in public spaces in most major metropolitan and suburban areas. Going to stores and on airplanes is a privilege not a right and there is no requirement to use these services to practice that choice.

 

[geekette]

....I won’t forfeit my rights or freedoms so others can impose theirs.

But you are imposing your spittle on others.

 

[Cornell]

Well what is it?
You said common courtesy and right

Common courtesy I get
The it’s your right over mine I don’t

You go to Walmart with a mask. That’s your right
I go with out. That my right
Your right doesn’t trump mine and nor does mine your
I won’t forfeit my rights or freedoms so others can impose theirs.

If that’s the case then when we get chipped we will also all wear the same uniform and stand shoulder to shoulder at attention while we get our orders

Yeah. That’s extreme. But not far fetched

It’s actually not far fetched. The fact that state of WA was going to have a login system for tracking movement of patrons is really alarming to me. Yet many shrugged their shoulders and accept it in the name of “public health”. No thanks .
(The tracking idea in WA state has gone by the wayside. Seems like the ACLU got involved).

 

[Monykalyn]

Yes, I do sanitize my phone.

I don't consider myself a germaphobe, just aware of sanitation and I sanitize my phone and have before all this started. Want to talk about a petri dish of germs!

whether it's sarcasm or not .

I like your use of sarcasm emoji

Anyhow, the part that grossed me out was that each one of them did a big spit on the ground. Why do so many men need to spit on the ground? I feel like I always see that. And, FWIW, it has grossed me out my entire life. I

Gross and disgusting no matter what eeeew

Although there is no law, people now shower at least a few times a week. This is considered good hygiene and courteous to others.

And there is a school of thought that frequent showering is impairing immune systems...

Just one case involved a Polio vaccine in the 1990s There was a known risk of the vaccination, which caused roughly one case of the disease per 2.4 million doses, often in people with an immune deficiency. A safer, inactivated, polio vaccine was available at the time, but the oral vaccine was cheaper, easier to administer and thought to be more effective at controlling outbreaks. Should the individuals who refused that vaccine, "Either get over it, or hang onto your buggy whip"?

And to show how that has evolved-between my first and third kid it changed several times: one got live dose, one got inactivated and one got 1/2 and 1/2. Seriously.

Only pointing out the changing thoughts over the times, as the public mask wearing debate is evolving as well.

 

[TravelTime]

Why do masks cause such contention? No one is vehemently arguing about 6’ social distancing or washing hands for 20 seconds. We have had sick people coughing all over us forever but it never caused such contention as now. Masks have become a contentious social issue. Why is that?

 

[bnoble]

And there is a school of thought that frequent showering is impairing immune systems...

Nope. That's a false-equivalence fallacy. The fact that a few people exist who say that doesn't mean there is any serious body of experts who would argue for it---and I think you'd be hard-pressed to find such a group.

 

[Monykalyn]

Nope. That's a false-equivalence fallacy. The fact that a few people exist who say that doesn't mean there is any serious body of experts who would argue for it---and I think you'd be hard-pressed to find such a group.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/showering-daily-is-it-necessary-2019062617193

More towards keeping kids in a super "clean" environment now - not allowed to dig in dirt, antimicrobial everywhere etc.