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Why do masks cause such contention? No one is vehemently arguing about 6’ social distancing or washing hands for 20 seconds. We have had sick people coughing all over us forever but it never caused such contention as now. Masks have become a contentious social issue. Why is that?
No covering it up: Wearing face masks during coronavirus new divisive issue



Read the "Quoteables". There seems to be as many reasons as there are individuals. :ponder:
 

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People have always or least should, question any response thought to be valid response, regardless of how many accept it.

Just one case involved a Polio vaccine in the 1990s There was a known risk of the vaccination, which caused roughly one case of the disease per 2.4 million doses, often in people with an immune deficiency. A safer, inactivated, polio vaccine was available at the time, but the oral vaccine was cheaper, easier to administer and thought to be more effective at controlling outbreaks. Should the individuals who refused that vaccine, "Either get over it, or hang onto your buggy whip"?

Another was a 1976 swine-flu vaccine distributed in the United States was associated with between five and nine cases per one million vaccine recipients. Scientists were specifically looking for Guillain-Barré syndrome, a paralytic disorder that is often treatable but can cause long-term disability or death.During the 2009–10 pandemic, something stranger turned up: some 60 cases of narcolepsy emerged among 4- to 19-year-olds in Finland. Most had received the H1N1 vaccine Pandemrix, made by GlaxoSmithKline in Brentford, UK. Another narcolepsy cluster showed up in Sweden. Should those individuals also have been told "Either get over it, or hang onto your buggy whip"?

What is thought to be sound medical advice one day, may not be the next. We should not disparage someone simply because they choose not to follow along with the masses.
With medicines I agree. We are talking about a masks, very different. If worn properly no harm done if they are wrong.
 

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Why do masks cause such contention? No one is vehemently arguing about 6’ social distancing or washing hands for 20 seconds. We have had sick people coughing all over us forever but it never caused such contention as now. Masks have become a contentious social issue. Why is that?
Good question.

I hate wearing a mask, it is not comfortable but I wear it. I would never want to spread the virus to a vulnerable person.

I believe the vulnerable population has rights too to be protected. It upsets me when I see others say stay home if you don’t like I am not wearing a mask. It’s like the vulnerable are forgotten and they don’t matter.

No one should have to choose between total isolation or going back into civilization and risking the asymptotic person not wearing a mask could infect them.
 

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LOL...How many cowboys have died from wearing a bandana?

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Yeah
But didn’t they play in the dirt?

When I was a kid and someone got cut or hurt some older person would jokingly say rub some dirt on it. You’ll be fine

Maybe there’s some truth to that?

The past 20 years all kids have lived indoors, maybe we are creating our own issues
 

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More towards keeping kids in a super "clean" environment now - not allowed to dig in dirt, antimicrobial everywhere etc.
"You don't need to shower every day" is not the same as "Showering every day impairs your immune system." The article mentions "some" say that it "may" with no citations. Again: the fact that a few pediatricians say this is not the same as a serious body (say, the American Academy of Pediatrics) recommending it. So, exactly another example of the "both sides" fallacy.

The author even reports that he showers every day despite the article he has written.

Try again. Or not, up to you.
 

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I agree it would be nice if everyone wore masks and had the mindset that wearing a mask protects others and possibly themselves too. Regardless of whether people wear masks or not, shouldn’t the vulnerable people stay home as much as possible until there is a vaccine or herd immunity? I think vulnerable people should stay home because I care about them. Not as a punishment. Not because some people are not wearing masks. There are so many unknowns we do not know so going out for vulnerable people may not be safe (and if vulnerable people go out then they need to be aware of the trade offs). Maybe the mask wearer looks safe but has not washed their hands. OTOH, maybe the non-mask wearer has great hygiene and religiously stays more than 6’ away from everyone else. I do not want my elderly great-aunt or my older father with diabetes starting to go out a lot just because restrictions have been lifted. They are still vulnerable and should stay home as much as possible until it is safe to go out for them or they choose to take the risk (I am okay with people choosing to take risks if they are aware of the trade offs). On the other hand, I think younger people and older people with no underlying conditions should be allowed to go out more. In an ideal world, everyone would be following all safety guidelines but I am not going to get bent out of shape or worry too much about what other people are doing. Ultimately, I believe we can only control ourselves unless we pass laws to regulate. Even then, we know people break the laws and bring harm to others. The good news is that the vast majority of people are following all safety guidelines as much as possible. I am really amazed how society and social norms have changed in just 2 months. This seems like the most rapid adoption of public health guidelines in our history.
 
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OK
But I gotta ask - if all the "Dbags" are lined up at your door just what kind of business are you in ? :ponder:

You really need to learn how to read

It was a reply to his point on lawyers etc

He told me it would be a $$ maker for me if I started the business of getting money for victims of covid mask wearing

Scroll up and use all the words. Not just a few

But
If I was in the business you insinuate then I know two people who would be camping out
 

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I agree it would be nice if everyone wore masks and had the mindset that wearing a mask protects others and possibly themselves too. Regardless of whether people wear masks or not, shouldn’t the vulnerable people stay home as much as possible until there is a vaccine or herd immunity? I think vulnerable people should stay home because I care about them. Not as a punishment. Not because some people are not wearing masks. There are so many unknowns we do not know so going out for vulnerable people may not be safe (and if vulnerable people go out then they need to be aware of the trade offs). Maybe that mask wearer looks safe but has not washed their hands. OTOH, maybe the non-mask wearer has great hygiene and religiously stays more than 6’ away from everyone else. I do not want my elderly great-aunt or my older father with diabetes starting to go out a lot just because restrictions have been lifted. They are still vulnerable and should stay home as much as possible until it is safe to go out for them or they choose to take the risk (I am okay with people choosing to take risks if they are aware of the trade offs). On the other hand, I think younger people and older people with no underlying conditions should be allowed to go out more. In an ideal world, everyone would be following all safety guidelines but I am not going to get bent out of shape or worry too much about what other people are doing. Ultimately, I believe we can only control ourselves unless we pass laws to regulate. Even then, we know people break the laws and bring harm to others. The good news is that the vast majority of people are following all safety guidelines as much as possible. I am really amazed how society and social norms have changed in just 2 months. This seems like the most rapid adoption of public health guidelines in our history.
Telling the vulnerable to stay home is unrealistic. They are the ones who need to go see their doctors. Saying stay home as much as they can still puts them in the path of Areas that others did not where masks.

To go to a macular shot mom had two choices a bus or a taxi. She had her cloth mask on but what if the driver doesn’t wear a mask or the person in the Taxi prior to her didn’t wear a mask and covid particles are there. Same with the bus.

Many vulnerable have no one to help them and have no choice but to go to the store. Many elderly do not know how to do online orders or use the internet. Some are on snap for food and there is no food delivery under the program to their area and they have to go to the store to get food.

I can go on and on with examples. Most people cannot lock themselves in their home. Life goes on if there are no alternatives.

I just can’t understand why the population as a whole cannot take the vulnerable into consideration. It saddens me we live in a me, me , me society. I am the first to believe and fight for our rights but in the process that doesn’t mean we cannot be kind, considerate and protect those who are more vulnerable then us.
 

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Telling the vulnerable to stay home is unrealistic. They are the ones who need to go see their doctors. Saying stay home as much as they can still puts them in the path of Areas that others did not where masks.

To go to a macular shot mom had two choices a bus or a taxi. She had her cloth mask on but what if the driver doesn’t wear a mask or the person in the Taxi prior to her didn’t wear a mask and covid particles are there. Same with the bus.

Many vulnerable have no one to help them and have no choice but to go to the store. Many elderly do not know how to do online orders or use the internet. Some are on snap for food and there is no food delivery under the program to their area and they have to go to the store to get food.

I can go on and on with examples. Most people cannot lock themselves in their home. Life goes on if there are no alternatives.

I just can’t understand why the population as a whole cannot take the vulnerable into consideration. It saddens me we live in a me, me , me society. I am the first to believe and fight for our rights but in the process that doesn’t mean we cannot be kind, considerate and protect those who are more vulnerable then us.

I did not mean to say the vulnerable should not go out at all but that they should still stay home as much as possible. IMHO, I think people need to be realistic about the risks. Even if everyone wears masks, the vulnerable are still taking a risk when they go out. Mask wearers may be touching their mask and face and then touching other things when they go out. A mask wearer may be re-using the mask (like I do since I have only been able to obtain one mask, still waiting on my Amazon order). The mask a mask user is wearing may not be high quality enough to prevent germs from escaping it.

My point is that masks are not panaceas. Like I said, in an ideal world, everyone would follow all guidelines 100% but that is not realistic either. The health experts have said that hand washing and social distancing are still the most important safety measures. I think there is a strange obsession with masks and like I asked earlier, I wonder why masks have become so contentious. There are so many things we need to do to stay safe. A mask is only one small part of it.
 

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Telling the vulnerable to stay home is unrealistic. They are the ones who need to go see their doctors. Saying stay home as much as they can still puts them in the path of Areas that others did not where masks.

To go to a macular shot mom had two choices a bus or a taxi. She had her cloth mask on but what if the driver doesn’t wear a mask or the person in the Taxi prior to her didn’t wear a mask and covid particles are there. Same with the bus.

Many vulnerable have no one to help them and have no choice but to go to the store. Many elderly do not know how to do online orders or use the internet. Some are on snap for food and there is no food delivery under the program to their area and they have to go to the store to get food.

I can go on and on with examples. Most people cannot lock themselves in their home. Life goes on if there are no alternatives.

I just can’t understand why the population as a whole cannot take the vulnerable into consideration. It saddens me we live in a me, me , me society. I am the first to believe and fight for our rights but in the process that doesn’t mean we cannot be kind, considerate and protect those who are more vulnerable then us.

I personally would hope a doctors office would have a mask mandate and I’d be ok with that
Busses? Sure, same thing. I’d be ok

At a bar. Restaurant. Department type store where it’s an optional type business then I’m going naked

I think there’s a place for mandates but not every place

I don’t smoke. So before smoking was banned in bars. Restaurants etc then I had to make a choice
Breath smoke or find one that was smoke free

Maybe places will start being either mask or mask free??
 

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The past 20 years all kids have lived indoors, maybe we are creating our own issues

Where do you get this stuff?

When I was young, way over 20 yrs ago, I was inside playing with toys and outdoors playing with friends. I see very little difference in kids today. Coming from a little league coach, scout leader, kids mountain biking group leader. My wife has been in day care for over 40 yrs. Every day care has play in the dirt time. You seem to make up things to prove your point.
 

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Thought: Is there a component of mysophobia going on here in regards to reactions to C19, particularly in regards to advocating for mask usage?

Have you spent much time analyzing your dislike for Masks? Is your daughter required to wear a Mask as a Shopper? I assume you have stopped shopping at all stores that require a Mask.
 

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Have you spent much time analyzing your dislike for Masks? Is your daughter required to wear a Mask as a Shopper? I assume you have stopped shopping at all stores that require a Mask.
Masks are required in IL so yes we both wear them in grocery stores
 

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Where do you get this stuff?

When I was young, way over 20 yrs ago, I was inside playing with toys and outdoors playing with friends. I see very little difference in kids today. Coming from a little league coach, scout leader, kids mountain biking group leader. My wife has been in day care for over 40 yrs. Every day care has play in the dirt time. You seem to make up things to prove your point.

What point am I proving?

Many parents are too afraid to let their kids out. Many kids are addicted to gaming

When I was a kid we wouldn’t go home until way past dark
Do parents allow that now?
No way
Do a little research
I know you and a couple others have a hard on for me but hey. I don’t approve nor do I swing your way

Fact!!
 

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Where do you get this stuff?

When I was young, way over 20 yrs ago, I was inside playing with toys and outdoors playing with friends. I see very little difference in kids today. Coming from a little league coach, scout leader, kids mountain biking group leader. My wife has been in day care for over 40 yrs. Every day care has play in the dirt time. You seem to make up things to prove your point.

Here you go
One quick search
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What point am I proving?

Many parents are too afraid to let their kids out. Many kids are addicted to gaming

When I was a kid we wouldn’t go home until way past dark
Do parents allow that now?
No way
Do a little research
I know you and a couple others have a hard on for me but hey. I don’t approve nor do I swing your way

Fact!!


not gonna comment ....
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OK
I guess it's ends like the fake moon landings thread ;)
 
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