Marriott Destination Points...They have done it!!!!!! {Merged}

[catharsis]

Details of Interaction with Interval

https://www.my-vacationclub.com/common/vc/en-us/pdfs/enrollment_legal_docs/buyers_guide2010.pdf

Some highlights....

3. Points
(a) For a Confirmation to be issued, the following Points are required
based on the exchange accommodations being requested:
MVC Club Program Points Charts for Il Member Resorts
FULL-WEEK EXCHANGE VALUES
TDIRange Studio One-Bedroom Two-Bedroom Three-Bedroom Four-Bedroom TDI Range
140 – 150 2,250 3,000 4,500 6,000 7,000
115 – 135 1,750 2,750 4,000 5,000 6,000
90 – 110 1,500 2,250 3,000 4,000 5,000
50 – 85 1,000 1,500 2,250 3,000 4,000
SHORTSTAY EXCHANGE VALUES
(Per Night)
Day of Week Studio One-Bedroom Two-Bedroom Three-Bedroom Four-Bedroom Day of Week
SUN – THU 150 250 350 450 550 SUN – THU
FRI/SAT 425 625 750 1,000 1,250 FRI/SAT
When a Club Program Member places an exchange request, Points
required for the highest-valued accommodations are placed on
hold in such Club Program Member’s Points account and will not
be available for use within the MVC Club Program or otherwise
during the pendency of such exchange request.

 

[kedler]

Points I will receive if I BUY in

My units are half developer and half resale and I can't enroll online "as the total amount of your enrollment should not exceed $1,995." I trade everything but Aruba but its way to early to decide. Also glad EOY included:

Aruba Surf Club Gold OS 3,075 (EOY)

Grande Vista Gold Excellent view 2,175

Barony Beach Club Bronze OS 775

Harbour Point Fixed Wk #5 Excellent view 500

Has anyone seen anything regarding Flexchange Period and if points are lower during that period?

 

[kedler]

"FREE" Enrollment with PURCHASE of Points

From the MVC new pages:

Special Bonus Enrollment Offer!

When you enroll in the Marriott Vacation Club Destinations Exchange Program, you'll receive 800 Vacation Club PlusPoints! These added bonus points are good for two to five additional nights at any Marriott Vacation Club resort, depending on the resort, room type and season. Be sure to use your Vacation Club PlusPoints before they expire.
Free Enrollment When You Purchase Vacation Club Points

For a limited time, when you purchase additional Vacation Club Points at special introductory pricing, your enrollment fee will be waived! Speak to your Sales Executive or Vacation Ownership Advisor to learn more about this special limited time offer.

Sorry for multiple posts - just trying to share information as I find it! Now all we have to do is decipher it all!

 

[Asia2000]

Question:

If one is to enroll for $595 and then decide to sell his or her timeshare, does the new "destinations" program transfer to the new owner?

 

[ral]

Looks like the Marriott Vacation Club website Owner Login is already overloaded. Can't even login at 4:53 AM!

 

[ral]

Just doesn't add up!

Could this be right? My 3 bedroom platinum Grand Chateau is worth 4625 points. Using the Marriott point chart, I would need one of the following number of points to get back into my three bedroom villa, depending on date: 4675, 5225, 5400, or 6725. It looks like the value of my villa wouldn't even get me back into the same size villa using points for any date. I realize that I could simply reserve a week without using points, but wouldn't you think that the value of the platinum 3 bedroom unit should at least be equal to the number of points needed to book the same unit during the lowest point dates?

 

[floyddl]

How did you find the point value for SR??? All I get is a "site down" message when I click on what is my week worth. Never mind, I found the info in the pdf file. Thank you for the link.

Where did you find the info on point value? I can't get the link to work.

 

[JimIg23]

I lied(not my last post). Shadow Ridge Gold is worth 2,325 MVCD points.

Here are the docs if you want to bore (inform) yourself:

http://www.veljovich.com/homeweb/index.php?page=tugpoints


But I only need 1950 to book the same week???

thanks for the link! We have the points value, which I think are pretty good! (Maybe not......)
the price to join is also fair, although I need to find out if 1) can you book a week and deposit into II, 2) if so, do you have to keep a seperate II membership (for that and getaways)? Not too happy about having II and Marriott fees...

The big question is what point value will they give us. Highest season for NCV is 4725 points (non-Plat plus). Will they give us that? if not, this will be a no-go. Not paying 1500 so I cant book my plat week......

 

[saturn28]

thanks for the link! We have the points value, which I think are pretty good!

the price to join is also fair, although I need to find out if 1) can you book a week and deposit into II, 2) if so, do you have to keep a seperate II membership (for that and getaways)? Not too happy about having II and Marriott fees...

The big question is what point value will they give us. Highest season for NCV is 4725 points (non-Plat plus). Will they give us that? if not, this will be a no-go. Not paying 1500 so I cant book my plat week......

They will look at the week number you have on your deed. That is what it showed when I tried to enroll. The assigned deeded week I have for my Platinum Grande Vista week is 4, which just happens to be one of the lowest points value in their new chart for a platinum week at Grande Vista. I only get 2775 points. However, according to their chart just about all the other platinum weeks require more than 3000 points. That is terrible. I am not happy at all with my first look at how this thing works. I had no choice at what deed platinum week I got. It was chosen for me.

 

[saturn28]

I own a platinum week at Grande Vista. From what I can see from this points chart, I will not be able to trade into a lot of platinum weeks at other resorts. With the system the way it was I could exchange into any other Marriott Platinum week. At first glance this new points system sucks.

In my opinion, I don't see any incentive to join the points system and will stick to trading through Interval.

I own at Hyatt and their points system is much simpler and fair. First off with their system you have a deeded week and if you choose not to use your deed week it changes into points. The points you receive allow you to have enough points to stay during any other week during your season at your home resort. At Hyatt all specific seasons at any of their resorts require the same points. With the new Marriott points program it looks like they have totally done away with seasons and every week during the year can have a different points value. This may be great for Marriott to get more money in sales, but it totally sucks when you compare it to the original system of having seasons. That is my opinion and other may totally disagree.

 

[davewasbaloo]

It is interesting that Europe and Asia are excluded from this. It will be interesting to see how trading between the continents will work out.

 

[floyddl]

I lied(not my last post). Shadow Ridge Gold is worth 2,325 MVCD points.

Here are the docs if you want to bore (inform) yourself:

http://www.veljovich.com/homeweb/index.php?page=tugpoints


But I only need 1950 to book the same week???

Where are you getting what the week is worth. I see the point values for trades. Are you saying that is the worth also?

 

[timeos2]

Kill resale means hurt your buyers when they want out at some point

I really wish Marriott had allowed at least some period of time for future resale purchase to qualify. This would have allowed excitement from the new program to lift the resale market. It would have provided more buyer demand for existing owners wanting a way out. Marriott gave me no reason to buy resale right now and no reason the past 6 months during all the rumors. Does that mean Marriott will now start exercising ROFR? LOL

Overall the program seems reasonable and at least initially more cost effective to convert than most (although that will change with time - they need the low buy in now to get off the ground). As mentioned not worth all the handwringing & wailing of the past few months.

However the BIG news to me is just how serious they are about "punishing" resale buyers. While groups like Wyndham have managed to push resale value to near $0 thanks to marketing the lack of the nearly worthless VIP as being unavailable to resale buyers even Wyndham doesn't (and can't) take away the right of resale buyers to be in & utilize the excellent Wyndham Points system. In fact resale becomes an incredible value to a buyer there because of that.

Now Marriott has decided to BLOCK resale buyers from what will from here on be touted as THE key to ownership/utilization of the best of the Marriott system - the points program. If that doesn't kill off resale value for every Marriott owner then either the system failed (unlikely) or buyers haven't heard of the ban yet and when THEY go to sell they will take the devaluation.

After all the noise Marriott really has sunk to the level of Wastegate, Wyndham and others in trampling on owners resale rights and value. A pox on them as Alan would say.

 

[floyddl]

NWL: Everyone's asleep and I have no good spirits to help me to sleep.

Here's the last...This languane is troublesome:


Does this mean your enrollment transfers your reservation rights to them ("your existing use options")?

I think that is the deal. If you own a fixed week this might not be such a great deal.

 

[timeos2]

Grandfathered in

Could this be right? My 3 bedroom platinum Grand Chateau is worth 4625 points. Using the Marriott point chart, I would need one of the following number of points to get back into my three bedroom villa, depending on date: 4675, 5225, 5400, or 6725. It looks like the value of my villa wouldn't even get me back into the same size villa using points for any date. I realize that I could simply reserve a week without using points, but wouldn't you think that the value of the platinum 3 bedroom unit should at least be equal to the number of points needed to book the same unit during the lowest point dates?

Usually, and as stated in the Marriott information posted here, you have the right to reserve your level use week at your home resort regardless of how many points it takes as an outside user booking in. So you are never locked out of your own resort based on points requirements but you may not get the highest amount - or the published amount required - as your base annual allotment. Most points systems work that way.

 

[dougp26364]

These are the points to book into the resort, no? Your allocated points will be some average of the season. It looks like NCV Platinum got more than enough to book mid September to mid-December, but not enough for any summer week.

Frankly, the way I see it, this program is for some Hawaii owners who want to vacation outside of Hawaii (well, why did they buy Hawaii then?) and people who bought high season but use in off peak weeks... Everyone else is worse off because they can't get the peak weeks in their own season, or trade to similar size units in peak times elsewhere. As an initial reaction, I'd call it a flop from my perspective. I'll let others speak for themselves.

Well averages ain't going to feed the bulldog. I understand now why they allow current owners to "keep" their original usage option because they've just re-seasoned all the resorts and, given the new points chart to check in to your own resort, they apparently aren't even giving owners enough points to reserve their deeded weeks in their deeded seasons enough of those points to book what they purchased, if points were the only game in town.

For current owners, so long as Marriott doesn't do an end around and try to terminate your original contract rights your all right. For all buyers going forward, Marriott just gotcha.

 

[ktrick]

Grande Ocean Gold Season

For our Grande Ocean gold oceanfront weeks we are offered 3850 points. 4000 points required to trade into the same week.

 

[ral]

Any Platinum 3 bedroom villa Grand Chateau owners out there?

They will look at the week number you have on your deed. That is what it showed when I tried to enroll. The assigned deeded week I have for my Platinum Grande Vista week is 4, which just happens to be one of the lowest points value in their new chart for a platinum week at Grande Vista. I only get 2775 points. However, according to their chart just about all the other platinum weeks require more than 3000 points. That is terrible. I am not happy at all with my first look at how this thing works. I had no choice at what deed week I got. It was chosen for me.

I'm not quite sure if we can yet say that Marriott used the actual deeded week to determine the point value of your unit. We need to find out if all other Platinum Grande Vista weeks (I assume it was a 2 bedroom unit) were assigned 2775 points. If so, then it doesn't matter which week you were deeded within the Platinum season.

In my case, I would like to find out if any Platinum 3 bedroom units at Grand Chateau were assigned a value other than 4625 points. Any Platinum 3 bedroom villa Grand Chateau owners out there?

 

[NJDave]

they apparently aren't even giving owners enough points to reserve their deeded weeks in their deeded seasons enough of those points to book what they purchased, if points were the only game in town.

At Cypress Harbour, we don't even get enough points to book any week in our season. We are allocated 2,650 points but it takes at least 2,675 to reserve any week. The average value should have been 2,828 rounded to 2,825. I think we are being penalized since this resort is sold out and not in Marriott's inventory.

Week Points

1 2,675
2 2,675
3 2,675
4 2,675
5 3,225
6 2,900
7 2,900
8 2,900
9 2,900
10 2,900
11 2,900
12 2,900
13 2,675
14 2,675
15 2,675
16 2,675
17 2,675
51 2,900
52 3,225

Average Value 2,828

 

[timeos2]

Less in and another priority group with the right to remove even more

Am i reading this correctly? they'll take the marriott inventory out of Interval to fulfill the Points reservations requirement?

Sounds like they have worked a deal with II to pull non-points weeks deposits out of II using points to fulfill points requests. THAT is a new twist and one I haven't seen before from a points system. That really does the the potential to hurt inventory availability for "traditional" weeks II members as it is yet another priority claim on incoming deposits from any Marriott resort.

I'll admit this idea had not occurred to me before and if I were a weeks owner trading for Marriotts inII it would be very troublesome. Negative #2 so far.

 

[saturn28]

Well averages ain't going to feed the bulldog. I understand now why they allow current owners to "keep" their original usage option because they've just re-seasoned all the resorts and, given the new points chart to check in to your own resort, they apparently aren't even giving owners enough points to reserve their deeded weeks in their deeded seasons enough of those points to book what they purchased, if points were the only game in town.

For current owners, so long as Marriott doesn't do an end around and try to terminate your original contract rights your all right. For all buyers going forward, Marriott just gotcha.

There is no more seasons as we have known them. What they have done is coverted to a hotel system where every week cost more or less depending on the demand for that week. Furthermore, you don't get the same amount of points for your week as it shows in the chart that it would cost to stay there. Why is that. It really makes it more difficult to stay at other Marriott resorts during the previous season system without having to borrow points or buy more points. In my opinon it is totally skewed towards Marriott and not the owners and should be "DOA"

 

[ktrick]

Purchase price of points?

Has anyone been able to see the price Marriott is asking to purchase new points or the current MF associated with the points?

Do purchased points correspond to deeded real estate or just to usage for a certain period of time?

I think the answers to these questions will impact resale values of current week ownership.

 

[abdibile]

Platinum 2 BR Willow Ridge Lodge (ex Horizons Branson) gets assigned 1,850 points.

This would allow me to book a Studio in TDI 115-135 or a 1 BR in TDI 50-85 through Interval on Points. No value at all!

I did not find a lower points value for flexchange exchanges in the buyers guide, so this route seems not to add value for points exchanges.

1,850 points would enable me to exchange back into Willow Ridge 2 BR for all Platinum weeks (1,675 points) except summer (May 13 - September 1: 2,400 Points). Best of two worlds: Reserving off-sesaon week leaves me small change while I still can reserve a summer week directly (without points). Hopefully availability for reserving Summer weeks directly will stay OK.

$165 Club Fees is not a bad deal given I often locked 2 or all of my 3 ownerships off (preciously $75 each). As Lockoff is mentioned as being included in the Club Fees is still available and one should (hopefully!) still be able to deposit the 1 BR and Studio into a personal II account separately.

By joining for $1,995 I could add the option to exchange for reward points (not seen as a good value on TUG, but still another option if I can not use my weeks otherwise).

Exchanging into off-season weeks through points without an exchange fee could make sense. This could get cheaper than paying II exchange fee and trading the studio of a lockoff. Exchanging into high-season weeks through points is too expensive, but an option added.

European and Asian resorts need to be booked through interval without exchange fee (but I would assume 2 BR for 3,000 points 90-110 TDI, 4,000 points higehr TDI). Not a good deal.

Lots of flexibility added (checkin any day, length of stay, borrow and save points), but I do not think I need that.

Not too enthusiastic currently....

I hope Marriott priority and Marriott availability in II stays as it is!

 

[SMB1]

These are the points to book into the resort, no? Your allocated points will be some average of the season. It looks like NCV Platinum got more than enough to book mid September to mid-December, but not enough for any summer week.

Frankly, the way I see it, this program is for some Hawaii owners who want to vacation outside of Hawaii (well, why did they buy Hawaii then?) and people who bought high season but use in off peak weeks... Everyone else is worse off because they can't get the peak weeks in their own season, or trade to similar size units in peak times elsewhere. As an initial reaction, I'd call it a flop from my perspective. I'll let others speak for themselves.

Forgive me if this has already been said. I'm only on page 2 here, but you can still book the season you bought just like you always have.

My question is if I book at 12 months now will people in this season who bought at other resorts be able to out book me at my own resort. Am I no longer guaranteed a week in my season?

 

[timeos2]

II at work as usual

But how can Marriott step in between II and myself on a transaction that does not involve them? This is BS! Why would II even allow this? It does not make sense from II business perspective. If I don't join Marriott's new program and my week has ZERO trading power in II (since Marriott steals it from II) I'm left with nothing. Looks like a SFX or (if possible) RCI would be the way to trade. Again bad for II business.

Also, if this scenario is true, Marriott's resale values will plummet lower than Starwood's (and that is saying a lot)

-TJ

II has a LONG and hallowed (for them) tradition of assigning priorities to various groups/developers as a way to get them into the system. In fact it has long been the mere paying member of II who sits at the bottom of their food chain. Once you assign II your use for any period what they do with it is entirely in their control including giving it to any preferred group they may desire. Thats what you agree to (ask RCI members if they WANT their weeks going to rental rather than trade - they don't have a choice if they put it in as by doing so they agree).

Nothing new for II and one of my long standing pet peeves with that system that could be so good but is basically a developers playground that gets uninformed members to pay the bills.

As for resale - Marriott has lowered itself to the levels of Wastegate, Wyndham and so many others that purposely devalue the very product they hawk to their buyers. Why would anyone deal with a company like that now that they showed their true stripes?