Marriott Destination Points...They have done it!!!!!! {Merged}

[brigechols]

So now I'm a little confused by the Ocean Pointe points chart. We own Silver season but, there appear to be multiple points allocations depending on the week you choose for different weeks in what is now Silver season. I wonder if this means some owners will be screwed since none of us had a choice of what week we were assigned when we purchased.

We own a 3 bedroom silver season ocean front unit.If our deeded week happens to fall in Sept, then it's only worth 2,900 points. However, Oct weeks are worth 4,000 points and Nov. to Dec. 20th weeks are worth 5,900 points. So, do you get screwed if you got assigned a bum week way back when Marriott wasn't even thinking about points? I guess I better take a quick look to see what week we were deeded.

Do you think Marriott assigned owner vacation points based on your deeded week?

 

[SueDonJ]

So now I'm a little confused by the Ocean Pointe points chart. We own Silver season but, there appear to be multiple points allocations depending on the week you choose for different weeks in what is now Silver season. I wonder if this means some owners will be screwed since none of us had a choice of what week we were assigned when we purchased.

We own a 3 bedroom silver season ocean front unit.If our deeded week happens to fall in Sept, then it's only worth 2,900 points. However, Oct weeks are worth 4,000 points and Nov. to Dec. 20th weeks are worth 5,900 points. So, do you get screwed if you got assigned a bum week way back when Marriott wasn't even thinking about points? I guess I better take a quick look to see what week we were deeded.

I see the same issue with Grand Chateau. Grand Chateau was sold as all platinum weeks with one platinum plus week, yet there are THREE different point values depending on your dates of travel. Which one will we get? Is this a cruel joke played upon those who bought under the old system when Marriott told us it didnt' matter what week was on our deed? Right now I'm not liking the fact they have multiple point valuations yet, when we originally purchased, we weren't given a choice of what week we were assigned. If owners are going to find themselves with different point valuations, then I guess some of us won the lottery and some of us lost, yet we never even knew we were playing or even had a choice.

Are you sure you're not confusing the Usage Point Chart (Davidvel's PDF file) with the value of your weeks? Did you get your weeks' value at that "Enroll Now" link?

 

[tahoeJoe]

I hope I'm wrong

Where will the inventory come from to fulfill vacation reservations within the Marriott Vacation Club Collection?Inventory throughout the Marriott Vacation Club Collection will be available for reservations for Enrolled Owners via other Marriott Vacation Club Owners who enroll their weeks and elect Vacation Club Points, and non-enrolled Owners who trade their usage for Marriott Rewards points or exchange their week through membership in Interval International.

Am i reading this correctly? they'll take the marriott inventory out of Interval to fulfill the Points reservations requirement?

I read it the same way. If true this is HUGE!!! Existing Marriott owners who don't submit to Marriott's extortion will not have any chance to trade into other Marriott resorts. I don't know how this can be legal.

-TJ

 

[Bruyerebrit]

Wow. Am I reading this right? At Grande Vista the points for your Platinum week don't get you into more than half of the calendar? And at Ko Olina your points value don't get you the same room at all??? That makes no sense.

Same for me at Shadow Ridge and I'm sure most of us will find the same story. It does make sense, unfortunately..and here's where some of the tarnish of the new program comes off. You want a week in what you knew as your season, reserve and occupy it and that's that. What we've lost I think is the arbitrage (i.e., leverage). That trade I did through II a few months ago, exchanging my silver lock-off for a gold 2 bedroom, both at my home resort.....gone, a thing of the past (once and assuming Marriott gains control of banked weeks).

I'm pragmatic...I recognize there may be a lot to like about the new program and some former features may be gone. Just as people used the old program differently and got more or less out of it depending on their objectives and skills, so it will be with the new.

Jeremy

 

[SueDonJ]

These are the points to book into the resort, no? Your allocated points will be some average of the season. It looks like NCV Platinum got more than enough to book mid September to mid-December, but not enough for any summer week.

Hmmm. I still can't access that "Enroll Now" link but what you say here is somewhat encouraging - your usage point charts for Barony Beach and SurfWatch aren't too far off the Seasons on the current calendar, maybe a week here or there.

 

[Bruyerebrit]

I read it the same way. If true this is HUGE!!! Existing Marriott owners who don't submit to Marriott's extortion will not have any chance to trade into other Marriott resorts. I don't know how this can be legal.

-TJ

It's perfectly legal. We all purchased legal, indivisible interests in our home resorts and that's all. We didn't buy a right to trade them and the marketplaces that developed to allow that, from EBay to RedWeek to II, merely reflect the demand for trades, not a legal obligation on the part of Marriott to accomodate them.

Many of the seasoned TUGGERS have commented on the risks of buying that resale Branson, for example, just to get the low maintenance fee and solely for trading.

 

[californiagirl]

I found the point charts for the "Explorer Collection". On the owner page click on "Plan and book my vacation." The options will drop down. Some trips seem very reasonable points wise and others seem outrageous. It certainly opens up our options. Tuscany here I come!

As far as the points to trade in being more that the value of our weeks. As I see it, if we want to stay at our home resort we just reserve a week as usual. Only if we want to trade back in are we subject to the higher point cost. So in essence, my days of using my studio at DSV II to trade back in for a two bdrm unit are over!:annoyed: It was good while it lasted. But when I bought, I knew I was paying for one week for the full unit and two weeks if I locked-off. That has not changed, just the way I was able to manipulate the system for 11 years.

 

[SueDonJ]

I found the point charts for the "Explorer Collection". Some trips seem very reasonable points wise and others seem outrageous. It certainly opens up our options!

As far as the points to trade in being more that the value of our weeks. As I see it, if we want to stay at our home resort we just reserve a week as usual. Only if we want to trade back in are we subject to the higher point cost. So in essence, my days of using my studio at DSV II to trade back in for a two bdrm unit are over!:annoyed: It was good while it lasted. But when I bought, I knew I was paying for one week for the full unit and two weeks if I locked-off. That has not changed, just the way I was able to manipulate the system for 11 years.

Oh! DUH! Of course! Okay, now it makes sense. Whew.

 

[tahoeJoe]

Makes for sense (for II)

It's perfectly legal. We all purchased legal, indivisible interests in our home resorts and that's all. We didn't buy a right to trade them and the marketplaces that developed to allow that, from EBay to RedWeek to II, merely reflect the demand for trades, not a legal obligation on the part of Marriott to accomodate them.

But how can Marriott step in between II and myself on a transaction that does not involve them? This is BS! Why would II even allow this? It does not make sense from II business perspective. If I don't join Marriott's new program and my week has ZERO trading power in II (since Marriott steals it from II) I'm left with nothing. Looks like a SFX or (if possible) RCI would be the way to trade. Again bad for II business.

Also, if this scenario is true, Marriott's resale values will plummet lower than Starwood's (and that is saying a lot)

-TJ

 

[tahoeJoe]

Only if we want to trade back in are we subject to the higher point cost. So in essence, my days of using my studio at DSV II to trade back in for a two bdrm unit are over!:annoyed: It was good while it lasted.

Isn't the new system GREAT!!! My owner satisfaction is improving by the minute.

-TJ

 

[SueDonJ]

But how can Marriott step in between II and myself on a transaction that does not involve them? This is BS! Why would II even allow this? It does not make sense from II business perspective. If I don't join Marriott's new program and my week has ZERO trading power in II (since Marriott steals it from II) I'm left with nothing. Looks like a SFX or (if possible) RCI would be the way to trade. Again bad for II business.

Also, if this scenario is true, Marriott's resale values will plummet lower than Starwood's (and that is saying a lot)

-TJ

It does look like it opens the door for Marriott to do what Starwood does now with II exchanges - instead of the highest-demand/trade power weeks being reserved and deposited by owners, Marriott will pick and choose which weeks are deposited into II (keeping the best for their inventory) when an owner requests an exchange. That's what was speculated, and now looks that way to me, anyway ...

 

[Bruyerebrit]

So in essence, my days of using my studio at DSV II to trade back in for a two bdrm unit are over!:annoyed: It was good while it lasted. But when I bought, I knew I was paying for one week for the full unit and two weeks if I locked-off. That has not changed, just the way I was able to manipulate the system for 11 years.

Ok, I'll be optimistic here. Everything may have changed, but that shouldn't fundamentally change supply and demand (of course I'm being simplistic). There will still be too many summer Palm Desert weeks, winter wherever weeks and Orlando always weeks. So will Marriott dump all that back into II for Getaways, creating a back door for the same games we did play with trades? If so, am I worse off picking up a 2 bedroom Getaway in Palm Desert for around $400 and enjoying my new points allocation (or home resort reservation) than I would have been "manipulating the old system"? Under the old system, I would have paid $75 to lock off and up to two II exchange fees to play my games...hmmm, perhaps there will still be good games to play for those with flexibility.

 

[Ann in CA]

Waiohai Island View 4225 points
Mountainside 1325 pts

Mountainside has always been a great trader, and when we didn't use it we locked it off. Waiohai always got an AC, and we were quite lucky with exhanging right back to Waiohai, and getting a great trade for the AC. So I think we just lost two weeks...and the thrill of the trade! Bummer.

 

[californiagirl]

Okay, I'm going to bed, it is after mid-night here. By the time I wake up I wonder how many pages this thread will have...all the east coasters will be rested and posting away!:rofl:

 

[DeniseM]

But how can Marriott step in between II and myself on a transaction that does not involve them? This is BS! Why would II even allow this?

That's exactly what happened to Starwood owners 10 mos. ago. Starwood now controls all II deposits, even those of owners who bought resale and are not members of the Starwood Vacation Network.

 

[Ann in CA]

californiagirl
"Okay, I'm going to bed, it is after mid-night here. By the time I wake up I wonder how many pages this thread will have...all the east coasters will be rested and posting away!"



That's what I said half an hour ago...closed all the windows, but couldn't stay away. However, I think I know enough for now. Actually, I think the sales people who kept saying they were adding weeks before the start were probably right. The more weeks, the better the system will work for owners.
Don't think it will be worth it for us.

 

[scrapngen]

Here's a nugget I found in the pdf file:
https://www.my-vacationclub.com/common/vc/en-us/pdfs/enrollment_legal_docs/exchange_procedures.pdf


(Page 3 of the document)

"...For administrative convenience in the operation of the Program and for determination of the respective rights of Exchange Members to enjoy the benefits of the Program, the Exchange Company will assign a Distribution of Exchange Points to each Exchange Member for Use Periods Deposited by the Exchange Member for exchange each Use Year. The number of Exchange Points in a Distribution for a particular Use Period is based on various factors such as relative daily and seasonal demand, Accommodation capacity, size, view, and furnishings, and other valuation parameters established by the Exchange Company and may very from year to year by such factors. The number of Exchange Points in a Distribution is not in any way intended to be reflective of the economic value of any Interest.

When an Exchange Member Deposits a Use Period with Exchange Company, such Exchange Member assigns and Exchange Company will automatically have all of such Exchange Member’s rights to reserve and use such Use Period for the given Use Year. Once such Use Period has been deposited with Exchange Company, it may not be withdrawn. ..."

This is scary stuff...once you choose points for a week Marriott has the right to reserve and assign them in the 13 month reservation window? Also, your ability to get your request with your points is subject to availability and you may get put on a wait list if it is not available?? When you combine that with the unlimited ability of PremierPlus Owners to reserve whatever they want at 13 months out (1 day, 1 weekend, etc) Even converting to points only sounds good if you own enough multiple weeks to get to 12,000 points. Everyone else gets worse than the current 13 month rule as far as I can tell.

Disclaimer: I'm just doing a cursory glance through the docs, so: Maybe I'm just tired and cranky. I spent a long day helping DD's do multiple hair and costume changes for 2 dance recitals...

I think I'll go to bed and see what I find here tomorrow

 

[Bruyerebrit]

But how can Marriott step in between II and myself on a transaction that does not involve them? This is BS! Why would II even allow this? It does not make sense from II business perspective. If I don't join Marriott's new program and my week has ZERO trading power in II (since Marriott steals it from II) I'm left with nothing. Looks like a SFX or (if possible) RCI would be the way to trade. Again bad for II business.

Also, if this scenario is true, Marriott's resale values will plummet lower than Starwood's (and that is saying a lot)

-TJ

Well I agree it's a lot to digest and we're the pioneers in analysis! But bear in mind that II doesn't have an obligation to offer us any particular inventory. Marriott represented to us when we purchased that II would be the only officially sanctioned exchange marketplace. They also represented that II would provide significant benefits, in that a great variety of exchanges would be available. Now, they're offering exactly the same thing, but with different "pricing" (points).

You won't have zero trading power in II - far from it. You will (probably) have far less access to Marriott inventory. Conversely (and ironically), your trading power relative to non-Marriott inventory may well increase greatly, since there may be less Marriott inventory. So, you may find yourself with great Starwood and Hyatt exchanges. I'm not saying you want this (or me)...just my observations.

So far as resale values, that will be many pages of analysis but I agree generally with you, EXCEPT in the case of weeks purchased overwhelmingly to occupy - ski and Hawaii. The "generic" gold and silver weeks in particular may plummet, at least initially. However, I would not bet money on Marriott forever locking post-June 20th resales out in the cold.

 

[taffy19]

Hmmm. I still can't access that "Enroll Now" link but what you say here is somewhat encouraging - your usage point charts for Barony Beach and SurfWatch aren't too far off the Seasons on the current calendar, maybe a week here or there.

My Mac couldn't access it but the Dell did. I only see one point figure (7475) but nothing else. We own a fixed week/2 BR unit at MM1 (Maui Lahaina tower). Where do you find the other figures? Do I have to go a page further? I don't want to sign up by accident.

 

[urple2]

https://www.my-vacationclub.com/en-us/owners/2_pointsCharts.jsp

I think when you log on it should go right to this chart of all the resort point values.

 

[yumdrey]

My shadow ridge platinum week has 3075 points worth.
Should I join the point system by paying $1495 or not? I would love to enjoy Marriott preference period in II if it is still available.
Also would love to enjoy lock-off feature of my unit for 2 trades.
I think they (2 weeks of trades and enjoy 24 Marriott priority days) have more value than joining point system by paying almost $1500.
Want to hear other's opinion.

 

[Asia2000]

DSV I 2 bedroom Platinum

Hello,

I know everyone is just taking in the initial details and at this point "it's all about me / you", but, I'm one of those who is not officially an owner yet. What does Marriott give for a 2 bedroom Platinum DSV I.

It sounds like I will miss the window to become a "option of going points" person (at least at the $1495 price). However, outside of maybe saving from $0 - $200 per year by not going through II, I do not see the benefits. (I say $0 because some years, we will just use our unit - no trading).

If I average $100 in savings per year by being a "option of going points" member, then it would take 15 years to recover my costs at the initial price. Most likely over 20 years if the offer is ever extended to resale owners who have not closed on the deal yet.

Here is a big question. If I pay the original owners of the DSV I unit I am buying, $595 to register the unit, will everything stay the same once the contract changes hands? If so, I'm going to be making some phone calls, but I have not seen anything on this yet.

 

[haleakala20]

frenchmans cove

I wonder why Frenchman's Cove is excluded? Must have something to do with USVI law perhaps?

I saw today frenchmans cove platinum week enrollable for about 3600 points.

 

[kedler]

Resale owners with deed recording date after June 20 2010

From the initial Enrollment Page on the owners site:



As an Owner who purchased prior to the launch of Marriott Vacation Club Destinations, you have the option to enroll in an exchange program providing for your existing use options plus access to the Marriott Vacation Club Exchange Program with an additional Annual Use election, Vacation Club Points.

For a limited time, you can enroll,into the Exchange Program,your first week purchased directly from Marriott Vacation Club International for only $595 or $695 for one and a half or more weeks.

Weeks purchased externally before June 20, 2010 may be enrolled for $1,495 for the first week or $1,995 for one and a half or more weeks. Weeks purchased externally, with a deed recording date after June 20, 2010 are not eligible for the program.

If you are a multiple-week Owner who purchased directly from Marriott Vacation Club International and externally please do not enroll online. Instead, please contact Owner Services, as the total amount of your enrollment should not exceed $1,995.

Enrolling your inventory will not affect your inventory's current eligibility / ineligibility to Trade for Marriott Rewards Points. If you are enrolling weeks that were not purchased directly from Marriott Vacation Club, you may be eligible to Trade for Marriott Reward Points after enrollment, dependent on your inventory's eligibility / ineligibility.

Important notices:

As an Enrolled Owner, each year you can use your ownership as you have in the past or elect to receive Vacation Club Points - vacation currency used for even greater flexibility.

Owners who elect to enroll agree to pay annual Exchange Program Dues based on their Owner Recognition Level. These Dues range from $165 to $199, and you'll also enjoy a simplified fee structure, so you don't have to pay separate fees for Interval International, Inc. membership, exchanges to other Marriott Vacation Club resorts or trading for Marriott Rewards points. Enrolled Owners will still be required to pay the annual maintenance fees due and owing each year to their resort's owners association.

With Vacation Club Points you'll be able to check in any day of the week, any season of the year for as long as you want*. You may even bank Vacation Club Points or borrow from the next year's points balance, if you like.

Please note that payment of enrollment fees will not go toward any delinquencies for any other fees due. Also, enrolled Owners must be current on all fees due to use their Annual Use election. To make a Maintenance Fee payment, click here.

If your Web account set-up contains weeks that you do not legally own, this may result in an inaccurate calculation for your Owner Recognition Level. If this is the case, you cannot enroll weeks that you do not legally own.

 

[LisaH]

I guess I have a similar question as Asia. If I enroll into this program now, would the points be transferable to the next buyer?