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Marriott Destination Points...They have done it!!!!!! {Merged}

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what does this all mean for me specificially.
I own (2) bedroom/Marriott Desert Springs #2/two bedroom/annual use/lock off.

I have been getting (3) two bedrooms ever year, with "low season" trades

Studio=two bedroom
one bedroom=two bedroom
Interval/AC=two bedroom


what is my worse case scenario?

are these all possible?
Less overall marriott Inventory for trades at Interval?
Less two bedroom marriott Inventory for trades at Interval?
are the value of marriott weeks for resale later, going to fall dramatially?

Is this possible?
will i lose my incredible Marriott Interval Trading Advantage?

some of have suggested that I will have to join these marriott Vacation club Points as MVC will control all Marriott Deposits thru Interval and the entire Interval/Marriott-Trading System that I have know for years is now worthless?
could they be correct?
 

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I should have read just a little further.

So, Marriott is giving the shaft to existing owners by not even alotting them what would be enough points to rebook into their home resort. It seems Marriott has place a higher value on the weeks than they are willing to give their owners. :mad:

Marriott does this right now with MR program. How much does it cost in MR points to reserve a week in a TS compared to how many points they give you to trade in that timeshare for MR points. I never trusted them in their devaluation of the points in any points system.
 

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This is just my impression, but apparently summer weeks at HH at some resorts (ocean ones) are hot properties. For example, I checked a 2 bedroom (Ocean Side) for the peak summer (not july 4th) and found the following required number of points for 2011

Barony Beach 4500
Heritage Club 2500 (doesn't that seem like a mistake?)
Ocean Watch in Myrtle Beach 4175 (I included as its relatively close)
Monach 2675 for Garden and 3775 for OV
Surfwatch 4500
Grand Ocean 4500
Harbor Club 2275
Harbor Point 1225!!!!!!

I don't know how many points I'm going to get for my platinum BB yet as the page is constantly down.....but wow..I can't believe the difference in the point values for HH....
 

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Rates for Sun-Thu and Fri-Sat are DAILY points values.

Did you take that into account? I did not find inconsistencies yet.

I have also noticed on the points values, that for beach resorts, in the prime summer season, you can reserve a "Fri-Sun" and a "Sun-Thurs", for much less points needs for a "Full Week".

I guess you would have to change rooms, but what the heck, the savings in points is substantial.
 

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Why does everyone believe they're only going to sell "pure points" going forward? Has this been announced? I'm at Lakeshore Reserve .... I hate going to timeshare presentations but I'll "take one for the team" and see what they're offering later this week if no one confirms the current offers ahead of time.

It seems to me that it would have been very complicated to file all new paperwork with every state involved to convert existing inventory to a club structure. Not that it couldn't have been done, of course ... but it seems to me that it's more like the Disney and Hilton systems. Buy a particular week, worth X points and subject to the same underlying maintenance fee that legacy owners pay ... with trade downs available at all times to stretch the number of vacation days, or the "bank and borrow" strategies to trade up to a more expensive/desired location.

I believe the complexity is why the rumor has been out there since 2007. It's taken them this long to get this program approved for sale in all the states. I could be wrong but, it's my understanding that going forward Marriott will only sell points rather than deeded weeks.
 

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I should have read just a little further.

So, Marriott is giving the shaft to existing owners by not even alotting them what would be enough points to rebook into their home resort. It seems Marriott has place a higher value on the weeks than they are willing to give their owners. :mad:

Exactly, and this makes it more difficult to trade into other Marriott resorts that are similar to Cypress Harbour without having to borrow or buy more points. They are giving the owners fewer points to use for internal exchanges than the number of points they are charging to stay at the resort. This gives them the option of increasing the number of points it will cost to stay at Cypress Harbour without increasing the number of points they give the owners.

The ony advantage some resale owners may find in this disastor of a program is if they want to buy in to get to be able to use the Marriott Rewards Program. Other than that, this thing is a disastor and should be DOA
 

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I wish I would have bought a resale with Hilton now instead of Marriott. I'm not impressed with Marriott's point system from what I'm reading. :rolleyes:
 

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Everything you mentioned could happen, but availability of Marriott weeks in II could get worse independent from your decision to enroll to the new program or not. So your decision to join should only be dependent on how you value the additional benefits/options.

Currently my interpretation is that you only lose rights in the years you decide to convert yout week to points.

Or has someone found any language that would allow Marriott to controll what you deposit into II in the years you go the classic route of reserving and depositing that reservation (e.g. as two lockoffs) into your personal II account?


what does this all mean for me specificially.
I own (2) bedroom/Marriott Desert Springs #2/two bedroom/annual use/lock off.

I have been getting (3) two bedrooms ever year, with "low season" trades

Studio=two bedroom
one bedroom=two bedroom
Interval/AC=two bedroom


what is my worse case scenario?

are these all possible?
Less overall marriott Inventory for trades at Interval?
Less two bedroom marriott Inventory for trades at Interval?
are the value of marriott weeks for resale later, going to fall dramatially?

Is this possible?
will i lose my incredible Marriott Interval Trading Advantage?

some of have suggested that I will have to join these marriott Vacation club Points as MVC will control all Marriott Deposits thru Interval and the entire Interval/Marriott-Trading System that I have know for years is now worthless?
could they be correct?
 

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The points you get when converting a wek into points seem to be significantly less than the average points required to reserve the weeks in the whole season.

But we have to take into account the higher flexibility when booking through points and the exchange fee being included in the Club Fees, so I would not see it as too unfair.

That flexibility comes at a very high price from what I'm seeing. Marriott takes you week, gives you points but, gives you fewer points than what they charge other owners to reserve that week. Right there is a discrepency in valuation. They give you 4,000 points but charge everyone else 5,000 points for the SAME week. Marriott just made a 1,000 point profit on the transaction. Eventually, some TUGGER will be able to put a $ value on those points so we can better estimate how much Marriott is getting into points members pockets.

Compare this with both DRI and HGVC and you can see how unfair the program is to owners.

1. With both DRI and HGVC, I receive enough points for my weeks to book any week in the season I originally purchased. With Marriott no-can-do.

2. Marriott has reserved the right to vary points depending on demand. DRI and HGVC are fixed and can never vary. If I buy a certain number of points to stay in Hawaii, I know I'll always have enough points to reserve that week. With Marriott, again no-can-do.

The more I look at this program, the more I believe Marriott is giving their owners the shaft. I never would have thought that about Marriott until now. They had a chance to hit a home run with this new program. Instead it's more like the squib that's picked up by the catcher for the easy out at first.
 

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That flexibility comes at a very high price from what I'm seeing. Marriott takes you week, gives you points but, gives you fewer points than what they charge other owners to reserve that week. Right there is a discrepency in valuation. They give you 4,000 points but charge everyone else 5,000 points for the SAME week. Marriott just made a 1,000 point profit on the transaction. Eventually, some TUGGER will be able to put a $ value on those points so we can better estimate how much Marriott is getting into points members pockets.

Compare this with both DRI and HGVC and you can see how unfair the program is to owners.

1. With both DRI and HGVC, I receive enough points for my weeks to book any week in the season I originally purchased. With Marriott no-can-do.

2. Marriott has reserved the right to vary points depending on demand. DRI and HGVC are fixed and can never vary. If I buy a certain number of points to stay in Hawaii, I know I'll always have enough points to reserve that week. With Marriott, again no-can-do.

The more I look at this program, the more I believe Marriott is giving their owners the shaft. I never would have thought that about Marriott until now. They had a chance to hit a home run with this new program. Instead it's more like the squib that's picked up by the catcher for the easy out at first.


Marriott is buying the week from us at wholesale then charging the owner retail to exchange into another Vacation Cub resort during the same season. Can someone tell me how this is a good deal. My fear is they are going to try and control the units deposited with Interval giving them only low demand weeks. If they don't why would any present owner want to pay more in points and money to stay at a Hilton Head resort in the summer. With the present weeks exchange method through Interval you just exchange one week for another.

I think this may end up backfiring on Marriott. If I was looking to purchase a Marriott timeshare, I would look to by a deed week and either trade through Interval or any New exchange system that may pop up to trade Marriott Vacation Club resorts without Marriotts involvement to control the weeks deposited.
 
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Can't get onto the site to find out what my weeks are worth in terms of points. It must be completely overloaded. We have Plat/2Bed/OF/Surfwatch and Plat/3bed/Grande Vista- if I can figure it out I'll post it.

We're here at Surfwatch now and plan to take a tour- we'll see what info they can give us then.

tlwmkw
 

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Oh! DUH! Of course! :eek: Okay, now it makes sense. Whew.


Except that (not surprisingly) nothing in the info released tells us how Marriott allocates inventory between those who do not convert to points and those who do. So, until the program has been up and running for a year or so, and we begin to hear anecdotal reports of whether or not the ability to reserve the "prime" weeks, outside of points, has or has not changed, we won't really know whether that strategy remains viable.
 

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Can't get onto the site to find out what my weeks are worth in terms of points. It must be completely overloaded. We have Plat/2Bed/OF/Surfwatch and Plat/3bed/Grande Vista- if I can figure it out I'll post it.

We're here at Surfwatch now and plan to take a tour- we'll see what info they can give us then.

tlwmkw

If you start enrollment you will be able to see all information.
 
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laurac260

Question:

If one is to enroll for $595 and then decide to sell his or her timeshare, does the new "destinations" program transfer to the new owner?

I would guess the answer to that would be the same as before this program rolled out, which would be an emphatic NO! The previous points program did not transfer. Why would they transfer this one?

Seems to me they single handedly killed off both the resale market (or atleast tried to), and perhaps Redweek, et al. rentals as well????
 

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So I'm looking at this on a grand scale now and thinking, if Marriott is consistantly giving owners fewer points than what it requires for exchange, excactly how much profit are they literally STEALING from owners?

Let's say every resort week in the system would add up to 1,000,000 points to reserve but, when owners request points for their weeks, Marriott gives them 800,000 points. That's 200,000 points of profit for Marriott and they didn't do anything other than give you less than what you own! So how many hotel nights is Marriott getting to rent out without laying out a penny to obtain them? Let's not forget that Marriott is tossing a little salt in the wound by charging owners up to $1,995 for the privledge to allow them to steal from owners with our permission.

Sorry Marriott, this is a VERY bad deal for owners but looks like it's a great deal for you. :mad:
 

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MVC Destinations Exchange Program - two types of members

From the disclosure guide (which you can get to by clicking on the enroll now page on my-vacation club) here is the link: https://www.my-vacationclub.com/common/vc/en-us/pdfs/enrollment_legal_docs/disclosure_guide.pdf.

Marriott is selling this new system as the "MVC Exchange Company" and the guide provides information about the MVC Destinations Exchange Program. There are two types of members:

"1. Trust Members. This paragraph only applies to Trust Members. For so long as the Association governing the Trust Member maintains its Affiliation Agreement with the Exchange Company, such Trust Member will be granted privileges in the Program as a Member, subject to the terms and conditions set forth in this Disclosure Guide. Other than the Affiliation Agreement, there is no Program contract with any Trust Member separate and distinct from the Trust Member’s contract with the Developer for the acquisition of an Interest at an Affiliate Program. Membership in the Program is not an appurtenance to Interests. In order for a Trust Member to enjoy the benefits of Membership in the Program, the Affiliate Program Manager and/or the Association of the Trust Member’s Affiliate Program must have voluntarily entered into and maintain an Affiliation Agreement with Exchange Company. During the term of the Affiliation Agreement, Trust Members will have the right to voluntarily reserve and use the Accommodations that are a part of the Program as described in the Exchange Procedures. If a Trust Member desires to use the Accommodations outside the Trust Member’s Affiliate Program (e.g., outside the Trust Member’s trust) or access Exchange Benefits, from time to time, the Trust Member may voluntarily participate in the Program described in this Disclosure Guide and the Exchange Procedures. There is no guaranty that the renewal of any Affiliation Agreement will occur. Every Affiliation Agreement will have a two year term and may be renewed on a voluntary basis by mutual agreement of the applicable Association and Exchange Company. Members must comply with all of the terms and conditions of the Program as determined by Exchange Company."

AND

"2. Exchange Members. This paragraph only applies to Exchange Members. In order to enjoy the benefits of Membership in the Program as a Exchange Member, an owner of an Interest must have voluntarily entered into an Enrollment Agreement with Exchange Company. Membership in the Program is not an appurtenance to Interests. Exchange Members must comply with all of the terms and conditions for Membership in the Program. During the term of the Exchange Member’s Enrollment Agreement with Exchange Company and so long as a Exchange Member remains enrolled in the Program, Exchange Members will have the right to reserve and use the Accommodations and facilities that are a part of the Program in accordance with the Exchange Procedures. If a Exchange Member desires to use the Accommodations outside the Exchange Member’s Affiliate Program or access Exchange Benefits, from time to time, the Exchange Member may voluntarily participate in the Program described in this Disclosure Guide and the Exchange Procedures. There is no guaranty that the renewal of any Enrollment Agreement will occur. Every Enrollment Agreement will have a one year term and may be renewed on a voluntary basis by the Exchange Member. Members must comply with all of the terms and conditions of the Program as determined by Exchange Company."

Here is the information on RESALE & RENTING:

Base Exchange Benefits, Base Plus Exchange Benefits, and Exchange Benefits. Exchange Company may offer Exchange Benefits other than Base Exchange Benefits and Base Plus Exchange Benefits to certain Members, from time to time. Exchange Company reserves the right to establish such rules and regulations as it deems necessary to adequately govern Member access to Exchange Benefits which may include certain fees. In addition, Exchange Company reserves the right to restrict the offering or use of any Base Plus Exchange Benefits and Exchange Benefits to certain Members, including, without limitation, allowing use of such Exchange Benefits only to those Members who purchase their Interests from an Approved Broker. The Exchange Benefits are subject to separate terms and conditions, which may be changed, substituted, or eliminated without prior notice. Some Exchange Benefits may be provided by independent third parties and Exchange Company expressly disclaims responsibility for the acts or omissions of any persons or entities providing Exchange Benefits.
a. Trust Members. Upon the sale of an Interest, Exchange Company may require the payment of an initiation fee. (The current initiation fee is $200 per Interest with a $2,000 minimum initiation fee; however, Exchange Company reserves the right to adjust the amount of the initiation fee from time to time and to waive the initiation fee on a case-by-case basis in Exchange Company’s sole and absolute discretion.) Until payment of any required initiation fee is received (or waived by Exchange Company), the owner of such Interest(s) will not be entitled to Base Plus Exchange Benefits or Exchange Benefits; however, payment of the initiation fee will allow access to the Base Plus Exchange Benefits. If the purchase of an Interest is not made from an Approved Broker, then the owner of such Interest(s) may not be entitled to Exchange Benefits in Exchange Company’s sole and absolute discretion, even if the initiation fee is paid. Additional payments may be required to access the Exchange Benefits.
b. Exchange Members. If a purchaser of a Exchange Member’s Interest does not pay the then-current enrollment fee and enroll in the Program, such purchaser will not be entitled to be a Member and will not be permitted to access the Program in any manner.
2. Personal Use; Commercial Purposes. Accommodations, Base Exchange Benefits, Base Plus Exchange Benefits, Exchange Benefits, and Use Periods may not be used for any commercial purpose. This prohibition on commercial use includes, but is not limited to, any illegal activity or a pattern of occupancy, rental, leasing, or use by a Member that Exchange Company, in its reasonable discretion, could conclude constitutes a commercial enterprise or practice. In the event a Member is determined to be reserving or using the Accommodations, Base Exchange Benefits, Base Plus Exchange Benefits, Exchange Benefits, and Use Periods for any commercial purpose Exchange Company may immediately cancel any current reservation(s) made by such Member and may impose such additional penalties or restrictions as determined by Exchange Company, in its sole and absolute discretion, from time to time. The restrictions of this paragraph do not apply to Exchange Company or its affiliates or designees."
 

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Hmmm. I still can't access that "Enroll Now" link but what you say here is somewhat encouraging - your usage point charts for Barony Beach and SurfWatch aren't too far off the Seasons on the current calendar, maybe a week here or there.

The reason for this is that the HHI resorts are older and actually had realistic seasons. Resorts like NCV, not so much. I think this is why the points charts match up with the seasons better in HHI than elsewhere.

Ok, I'll be optimistic here. Everything may have changed, but that shouldn't fundamentally change supply and demand (of course I'm being simplistic). There will still be too many summer Palm Desert weeks, winter wherever weeks and Orlando always weeks. So will Marriott dump all that back into II for Getaways, creating a back door for the same games we did play with trades? If so, am I worse off picking up a 2 bedroom Getaway in Palm Desert for around $400 and enjoying my new points allocation (or home resort reservation) than I would have been "manipulating the old system"? Under the old system, I would have paid $75 to lock off and up to two II exchange fees to play my games...hmmm, perhaps there will still be good games to play for those with flexibility.

I agree. Fundamentally, this doesn't increase demand. Getaways will still be there as will those shoulder and off season weeks. Those gem trades you got before in II will still happen.
 

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My Marriott Aruba Surf Club 2 bdrm, Platinum OV is being given 4075 points. It would take 4650 points for me to reserve the week that I just reserved this past Feb.

Also, 4075 points would not allow me to reserve a two bdrm OV in many of the prime resorts, during prime season. Sigh. :(
 

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Marriott Aruba Ocean Club Gold - 2bdrm

I called and found out my point value for Aruba Ocean Gold week is 3075 pts. I was able to obtain April 22-29, 2011 at my resort using II with my 1bdrm. When I look at the PDF, it looks like that week would cost 5275. I definately feel like I got a better exchange with the existing program.

When I asked the rep about the # of points needed to trade into that same room, she quoted me a lesser amount that the PDF...hmm.

I think I will keep things the way they are for right now.
 

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My 2 cents worth

My shadow ridge platinum week has 3075 points worth.
Should I join the point system by paying $1495 or not? I would love to enjoy Marriott preference period in II if it is still available.
Also would love to enjoy lock-off feature of my unit for 2 trades.
I think they (2 weeks of trades and enjoy 24 Marriott priority days) have more value than joining point system by paying almost $1500.
Want to hear other's opinion.

My Shadow Ridge Villages Platinum week is worth 3075 points also. I bought resale and am curious if the points value is the same whether you bought developer or resale. I believe it's the same but just want to confirm. If so, I guess they "get" resale owners in the enrollment fee.

I'm still digesting all this and will be anxious to hear from folks who have booked sessions this week with sales people and post the little details that we all need to make an informed decision.

But as the owner of 2 silver weeks at Barony (developer purchase) and 1 platinum week at Shadow Ridge (resale), I'm not inclined to join for $2190. I'll be perfectly happy staying at our owned resorts. Now if they make it too difficult to book the weeks I want during my season down the road, I won't be a happy camper.

I've enjoyed some great exchanges with II using my silver Barony weeks. If I join the new program those days are definitely over and they'll probably be over exchanging thru II also.:(
 

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It seems to me that owning a deeded week will retain value for re-sale better than buying into the new points program because at least you will have a guaranteed week at your home resort where-as with points you are only guaranteed that you own x number of points that you originally bought. I certainly would not consider buying any Marriott if this is the case- I would want to have the deed and the home resort which I could at least use.

I wonder if the sales folks will be using the MVCI web site in their sales pitch- if so they are out of luck because you can't get into it- keep getting error messages.

tlwmkw
 

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Does anyone want to bet how long it will be until Marriott roles out "Marriott Classic" the same way that Coke roled out "Coke Classic" back in the 1980's
 

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Regardless of resale or through Marriott... I am kinda lost as to the point valuation here?

Resale 2bd Oceanside Villa at Surf Club = 3500 pts? (Gold)

I have known others that have traded into Maui, Myrtle Beach, etc.. It appears if that is not possible anymore as the points for those locations are higher. A nice 1 year owner anniversary for us!

Oh and in regards to the new "Sales Pitch".... we are at surf club currently and will be listening to this tomorrow at 8:30am (for 15k points...). The nice lady we signed up with kept saying about wonderful news coming, something never done before. To be hones, regardless of how many Guiness I had remaining in my cooler.. I figured this was what was going to occur.
 
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Question from a novice

New at this so please bear with me:

Once upon a time I worked at a gym, and one of the things I did was sell memberships. The occupancy of the building may have been say, 300ppl, but since you could pretty much guarantee that every single member would never show up at exactly the same time (thus putting us over occupancy), we freely continued to sell memberships with no "limit" in sight.

I mention this because, I am now wondering, does Marriott still have to adhere to "deeded" weeks, effectively limiting themselves to where they can only sell what physically exists, or does this open up the window to sell "memberships" to whomever wants one?

Also, as a novice, we bought one week, on resale, platinum Grande Ocean, with the idea of using our intended facility, during our season. Occasionally we will rent a week on Redweek in conjunction.

I don't see a reason to join this program. But I am wondering, will membership in the program trump those of us who don't join? Will we ever find a situation where we can no longer get a week at our resort during our purchased season?

And....do you think this will effectively kill Redweek, et al, rentals?
 
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