The way to book in your existing season is to do so via weeks, not points. Which is fine, except that you will then be competing with ALL points owners, system wide, to reserve at your own resort, in your deeded season. For those who desire to book at their home resort, in their owned season, this is not a positive development.
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Marriott Destination Points...They have done it!!!!!! {Merged}
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The way to book in your existing season is to do so via weeks, not points. Which is fine, except that you will then be competing with ALL points owners, system wide, to reserve at your own resort, in your deeded season. For those who desire to book at their home resort, in their owned season, this is not a positive development.
This is not a FAIR SHAKE! I can NEVER get a prime week at any comparable resort again using points. I can now only get prime weeks at my home resort, at every comparably rated resort using Marriott's own points assignments I will be short on the points needed to get a prime week. Plus now I will be competing with owners at my home resort and with every points owner with enough points for the prime weeks in season at my home resort.
If the prime weeks at my resort which I am entitled to by owning in season are worth 6000 points (weeks which I got most years at my resort or another), and the worst weeks in my season are worth 5000 points (weeks I never got stuck with because I planned ahead), and they only give me 5300 points annually, I can NEVER use points for a comparable prime week at any resort other than my home resort. Is Marriott giving me or any other Platinum owner 6000 points one year, 5500 points the next, and 5000 points the third? Nope, they are giving you a lower than middle of the road average number of points every year. That means you NEVER get the points that you deserve for the prime week you can snag at your home resort. No points member will get the amount of points it takes to reserve prime weeks in their season, but marriott will get the maximum number of points they can charge for prime weeks for anyone that trades into your resort. If some pay 6000 points for a platinum week on exchange, some platinum owners should receive 6000 points for depositing their week. Marriott will always charge the 6000 points for a prime week,however they will not give any owners the 6000 points they receive for the week the owners put into the points pool.
RIPOFF for owners, Points bonanza for Marriott!
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MountainGal
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Well I currently have a resale Platinum at Desert Springs and am in the process of buying another resale. Of course, I see the second resale will be excluded from consideration. That's ok since I just really want to spend time in Palm Desert.
I am attempting to keep up with the posts but thought I better get my questions out there for feedback. It appears I will continue to be able to make home resort reservations during the same 1-21 & 50-52 weeks as before. Correct? Also, will I still be able to lock-off the two units for a 4 week stay? With the purchase that I'm currently in the midst of, will I be able to count this as my second Desert Springs timeshare that provides me with the 13-month reservation window? Or is that only now available only to those with points?
I'm not liking this change and won't even consider going after points.
I am attempting to keep up with the posts but thought I better get my questions out there for feedback. It appears I will continue to be able to make home resort reservations during the same 1-21 & 50-52 weeks as before. Correct? Also, will I still be able to lock-off the two units for a 4 week stay? With the purchase that I'm currently in the midst of, will I be able to count this as my second Desert Springs timeshare that provides me with the 13-month reservation window? Or is that only now available only to those with points?
I'm not liking this change and won't even consider going after points.
LOL.....I had seen it, but I'm still interested in how the program is going to work. Who knows Billy, maybe we're being saved here. Time will tell.
The way to book a week at your home resort, in your deeded season, will be to do so in the weeks system, not the points system. So, in addition to competing with all owners at the home resort, in season, who have not converted, you will also be competing with ALL points owners who have sufficient points to book the desired week. The issue in that case is not one of insufficient points, but of potentially more competition for the best weeks.
Not necessarily. Why do you believe this? I think that there are conflicting reports from salesmen - Shocking
Someone needs to get an official statement of if the inventories for weeks and points are separate. I believe the more credible contact said that they were separate, which makes the most sense, but it would be a big issue if the inventory is mixed. I don't know how the would guarantee owners their deeded week if they mixed the inventories, but maybe that is why NY opted out
The easiest example is a fixed week. If points owners booked it at 13 months then single fixed week owners might not get their fixed week. Marriott cannot allow this to happen without a big compensation to the owner. It would violate the rights of the owner under the deed. Makes more sense to keep the inventory separate.
RandR
TUG Member
NY tends to be tough on lots of things. I sell insurance and when you see lots of products, many come with the disclaimer of "Not available in NY". In a way it is crazy. If the new points program does gut the weeks in II (questionable at least at first) and if reserving a week at your home resort does get harder (likely), then NYers may really be getting hosed.
billymach4
TUG Member
The New York exlcusion
I believe the New York Exclusion is just for this Bonus incentive. I just searched the Legal Docs and I did not get a hit on "NEW YORK" so I think it is just this promo that Ann in CA received.
I believe the New York Exclusion is just for this Bonus incentive. I just searched the Legal Docs and I did not get a hit on "NEW YORK" so I think it is just this promo that Ann in CA received.
Not necessarily. Why do you believe this? I think that there are conflicting reports from salesmen - Shocking
Someone needs to get an official statement of if the inventories for weeks and points are separate. I believe the more credible contact said that they were separate, which makes the most sense, but it would be a big issue if the inventory is mixed. I don't know how the would guarantee owners their deeded week if they mixed the inventories, but maybe that is why NY opted out
The easiest example is a fixed week. If points owners booked it at 13 months then single fixed week owners might not get their fixed week. Marriott cannot allow this to happen without a big compensation to the owner. It would violate the rights of the owner under the deed. Makes more sense to keep the inventory separate.
Marriott has it covered. If points members book up all prime weeks at your homr resort in your season and you have the worst week at your home resort in your season available for you to reserve, then they have fullfilled their contractual obligation. They can make sure points has access to all prime weeks before those who won't convert and still be honoring their contract if there are ANY in season weeks available to owners.
Frisbeeace
newbie
The points system will not work for me as my 3 Sabal Palms weeks are weak traders BUT since I usually trade them for MR points, then my annual fees would go down if I join, so I am tempted to give it a thought anyways. However, if the trade-for-MR points option worsens due to new devaluations, and I'm left with the only option of exchanging through II, then I might get trapped in the system forever paying more... anyone in a similar situation?
DanaTom
TUG Member
Not necessarily. Why do you believe this? I think that there are conflicting reports from salesmen - Shocking
Someone needs to get an official statement of if the inventories for weeks and points are separate. I believe the more credible contact said that they were separate, which makes the most sense, but it would be a big issue if the inventory is mixed. I don't know how the would guarantee owners their deeded week if they mixed the inventories, but maybe that is why NY opted out
The easiest example is a fixed week. If points owners booked it at 13 months then single fixed week owners might not get their fixed week. Marriott cannot allow this to happen without a big compensation to the owner. It would violate the rights of the owner under the deed. Makes more sense to keep the inventory separate.
I don't think this is true as only 50% of inventory is released at 13 mo... unless they are changing this rule also....?
You keep saying this, but I still do not understand the mechanism.
Are you saying that Marriott is not giving the full points value x the # of intervals and then renting the excess point value to benefit them? Is Marriott defrauding us?
Or are you saying the Platinum owners are disadvantaged vs. gold and silver under the new system?
Please clarify how Marriott is getting a bonanza.
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Understood, that "subject to availability" is going to be a much greater stumbling block with Points being rolled out than it was in the Weeks system. But I was responding to the posts where folks speculated if they joined the Points system they could not book all home resort weeks in their season because some point values are higher than their allotment. That's not true. Even if you join, you still book your home resort use the same way as before.
OK....So, maybe we haven't been saved after all. Lol
If you believe this, then you should convert and buy more points to access the prime weeks you want. Marriott will be helping you rip off the other owners and now it will be guaranteed for a known price vs. random through the current system.
wsrobinson
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Just guessing here but perhaps it seems to be the impropriety that Marriott didn't give the number of points required to use a week in your own season as a basis for all point exchanges. BUT, I think they did this across the board. I'm not sure anyone comes out ahead from this perspective. I can understand and I think they would have inflamed less owners had they made your point value equal to the value needed to exchange into your home resort/season.
Not necessarily. Why do you believe this? I think that there are conflicting reports from salesmen - Shocking
Someone needs to get an official statement of if the inventories for weeks and points are separate. I believe the more credible contact said that they were separate, which makes the most sense, but it would be a big issue if the inventory is mixed. I don't know how the would guarantee owners their deeded week if they mixed the inventories, but maybe that is why NY opted out
The easiest example is a fixed week. If points owners booked it at 13 months then single fixed week owners might not get their fixed week. Marriott cannot allow this to happen without a big compensation to the owner. It would violate the rights of the owner under the deed. Makes more sense to keep the inventory separate.
I was told, over the phone today, that the inventories would not be separate, and that it would be first come/ first serve as between weeks and points, although there would be a limit on the aggregate number of weeks available to points owners, so that all weeks owners would still have weeks available to them. But there is nothing to prevent a disproportionate number of "prime" weeks from going to points owners. This could happen if there are lots of premiere or premiere plus points owners trying to reserve the prime weeks at any given resort. Their sheer numbers could overwhelm the weeks owners seeking the same reservations.
I will say that the rep I spoke with didnt seem certain of the answer to this question (ad may not even have understood the question fully, though I tried to be very precise). She did put me on hold several times and conferred with her supervisior. Though I am not convinved this is necessarily the "right" answer.
I didnt ask about fixed weeks specifically, but of course they couldnt put more of these in the points pool than those actually given up by fixed week owners, as fixed weeks are a special case. I dont think they'd have the same constrainsts with floating weeks. So long as all season owners are able to reserve SOME week in their season, and have an equal crack at the best weeks with all others, I suspect the arrangement would be legal.
It would be great if others could ask this same question and post the repsonses they get. Even better if DaveM might run this one by his well placed sources....
That is the question in another form. The new system allows large point owners and anyone for a 20% points premium to book inventory 13 months out. There does not seem to be any % restriction, which would make sense if it is points inventory.
If it is weeks inventory or mixed then it could be a big issue if enough people with priority decided to book the week.
There is nothing in any of the new materials (that I have seen, anyway) concerning how much inventory is or isnt released for points reservations at 13 months. Not sure how we'd find out the answer to this one.
If no owners have enough points to reserve prime weeks in their season then every time someone deposits their home week with Marriott and uses points to exchange for another marriott resort, they will not get enough points to get what they are entitled to at their home resort, and that is the CHANCE to reserve a prime in season week!
If your platinum weeks float week 18 to 38, and weeks 18 to 21 cost 5000 points, weeks 22 to 32 cost 6000 points, and weeks 33 to 38 cost 5000 points, and if as is the case in almost all resorts under the new program every platinum owner is assigned 5300 annual points (a supposed average), then NO PLATINUM OWNERS will ever be able to exchange for a 5500 or 6000 point week at any resort other than their home resort. So 10 platinum in season weeks are worth 6000 points, but not a single owner at that resort gets 6000 points to exchange for another resort. Some inventory will be deposited by owners, Marriott will assign some of the deposits the prime weeks 22 to 32, some exchangers will pay 6000 points to stay there for a week, but not one single points member will get 6000 points. That is the ripoff. You have the rights to reserve a week worth 6000 points at your home resort based on availability, but Marriott will never give you 6000 points for reliquishing your rights to that week so you can exchange for another comaparable week/resort.
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Mamianka
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A lot of people won't be signing up for this new program, and Interval International may not dry up as fast as you think.
First of all, if you live in New York, you don't even have the option to join, so you're stuck using the old program, a no choice alternative.
Secondly, what % of New York residents own a MVCI property? Other than California, I bet a large % of ownership is based in New York due to income alone.
Third, it now makes sense to look at other brands for exchanging rather than exclusively Marriott. Marriott will be losing my business in the exchange process as I will now look at other alternatives.
I'll continue to digest this as the days progressand hope I don't have too big of a headache.....
We live in NY, and own at Grand Chateau. When we did an exploratory foray into "Enroll Now", we were told our 2 BR lockoff was worth 3275 points, and the enrollment fee was $595 - and that we would get 800 bonus points. Clearly, they know we live in NY - they referenced our deed, etc. So how are we shut out of the new program, if we wish to partake?
Yes, we need to get some confirmation on that. The people I talked to today thought I was asking about MR points and had to put me on hold numerous times
If what you were told is true then I would think the new system is a significant devaluation of ownership rights for existing owners. It would of course depend on how many people were willing to pay the point cost to get a prime week at the resort. From this thread it does not seem like many are willing or able to pay the price
However, if they go down that path then they are betting on statistics that tell them how many people on average will use a week. If they are wrong or the demand pattern shifts then they will potentially run into big problems with providing deeded owners their weeks.
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DanaTom
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yeah, if points can fill up a resort, then the guy with no priority could really be out of luck for any prime weeks. If true, I should have just stuck to renting. Being an owner sure has it's disadvantages. I sure wish someone knew if they were doing this.... as it is now, the 50% inventory release limitation still allows for bookings at 12 mos...just have to be early.
True. So, competition for home resort, in season prime weeks gets tougher, and the ability to exchange into comprable resorts/ seasons for a full week will now cost more $$ (points) than under the current system.
What is it exactly about the new system that you see as a benefit?