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That doesnt factor in head to head play, as well as outcome vs shared competition etc.


kinda like how alabama is ranked above ole miss =)

Ole Miss has 2 losses. Bama has 1.
 

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yes but ole miss has proven they are a better team than alabama by beating them in their own stadium...much less a neutral field.
 

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yes but ole miss has proven they are a better team than alabama by beating them in their own stadium...much less a neutral field.

To some extent, I agree. But h2h should be a lower criteria than overall record, particularly when comparing two teams in the same conference (similar schedules).
 

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I just hear it every year when they are trying to sort out the top slots, "which team do you think would win on a neutral field".

thats the criteria used to determine which teams are better than others....it just frustrates me that its ignored when the opponent you lost to has somehow lost one or two more games than you.

I can promise you that should bama lose to LSU next week....then they will have an equal number of losses as ole miss..but will STILL be ranked higher.

it just annoys me, I think head to head should always matter. the teams have already played, they had their shot to prove they were better....and barring some major injury, ridiculous weather conditions, or other abnormal situations that could truly impact the performance of either team and change a potential outcome....that head 2 head should mean far more than it does.
 

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I just hear it every year when they are trying to sort out the top slots, "which team do you think would win on a neutral field".

thats the criteria used to determine which teams are better than others....it just frustrates me that its ignored when the opponent you lost to has somehow lost one or two more games than you.

I can promise you that should bama lose to LSU next week....then they will have an equal number of losses as ole miss..but will STILL be ranked higher.

it just annoys me, I think head to head should always matter. the teams have already played, they had their shot to prove they were better....and barring some major injury, ridiculous weather conditions, or other abnormal situations that could truly impact the performance of either team and change a potential outcome....that head 2 head should mean far more than it does.

I agree with that. It's difficult to say how important h2h should be because there are always other factors at play. All else equal, it should matter. But all else is seldom equal. In the case of Baylor and TCU last year, I think h2h should have mattered. Meaning the committee should clarify how important it is in deciding a tie.
 

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I thought the baylor tcu example was good as well, but TCU did have a bit of an edge since the game was played at baylor...and baylor only won by 3....in the last seconds on a field goal.

I can at least grip my head around the logic that says on a neutral field....TCU wins that game.
 

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Do you want the 4 most deserving teams to make the playoffs of the 4 best?

They can be very different.
 

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Do you want the 4 most deserving teams to make the playoffs of the 4 best?

They can be very different.

Since you now have complete vision into last year, including the playoffs, which 4 teams were the most deserving and which 4 were the best? And more importantly, how do you know who was best?
 

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Since you now have complete vision into last year, including the playoffs, which 4 teams were the most deserving and which 4 were the best? And more importantly, how do you know who was best?

Last year I think the 4 best and most deserving teams got in. I can see an argument where an undefeated conference champion is left out but a 1 lost conference champion or 1 lost non conference champion gets in. The undefeated conference champion may be one of the 4 most deserving but not one 1 of the 4 best teams.

Also depends how a team losses or wins. If a team loses two games due to the ref blowing a call they may still be better then a 1 loss team that got blown out but not as deserving as they have two losses.
 

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If Memphis ends the season as the only undefeated team, do they deserve to be in the playoff?

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If Memphis ends the season as the only undefeated team, do they deserve to be in the playoff?

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Some may say yes but they would not be one of the best 4 teams. They would be a ratings killer as well.

I do not think with their schedule they would deserve to make it. It would be a very impressive season for them though.
 

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Some may say yes but they would not be one of the best 4 teams. They would be a ratings killer as well.

I do not think with their schedule they would deserve to make it. It would be a very impressive season for them though.
How do you know they wouldn't be one of the 4 best teams?

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How do you know they wouldn't be one of the 4 best teams?

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Most likely they will not win their new years bowl game is reason enough for me.
 

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Most likely they will not win their new years bowl game is reason enough for me.

Well, it's difficult to argue with logic like that. :rolleyes: :hysterical:
 

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Well, it's difficult to argue with logic like that. :rolleyes: :hysterical:

I am not trying to argue with you but that fact remains the same. Also their bowl opponent will not take the game seriously.

Do you think an undefeated memphis would be one of the best 4 teams?
 
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yikes...clemson appears to be having a good day.
 

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I am not trying to argue with you but that fact remains the same. Also their bowl opponent will not take the game seriously.

Do you think an undefeated memphis would be one of the best 4 teams?

Whatever. Every team that has a decent coach takes a major bowl seriously. You and I both know that's just a lame-ass excuse for the big school to have in their pocket in case the little school whips their ass.

I don't know that Memphis would be one of the best 4 teams. But if they were undefeated, it means there's no definitive empirical evidence that anyone is any better. That's why they should definitely be included in a playoff. Until someone has proven that they're not one of the 4 best, they should have every opportunity to prove that they are.
 

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my team doesnt play baylor in 2 weeks though! ;)


heres to hoping miami has just "given up" after losing to FSU....
 

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well...guess I dont have to worry about losing to clemson next week.

blah
 

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That was a pretty shocking way for a game to end. Maybe not quite as bad as Michigan's loss last week, but pretty close.
Should be an interesting week with Utah and FSU both going down. Russell going out might also doom Baylor soon as they're getting into the meat of their schedule.

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Latest Colley rankings:
	team	        rating 	       record  	  SOS: rank    top 25 wins  top 50 wins best game
1. 	LSU    	        0.942262	7-0	0.568622: 31	1	       4	W: #11 Florida
2. 	Michigan St    	0.933618	8-0	0.542022: 46	1	       3	W: #21 Michigan
3. 	Clemson    	0.928134	7-0	0.550458: 41	1	       2	W: #9 Notre Dame
4. 	Ohio St    	0.911622	8-0	0.514528: 67	1	       2	W: #23 Penn St
5. 	Iowa    	0.905231	7-0	0.521011: 61	2	       4	W: #18 Northwestern
6. 	Memphis    	0.871042	7-0	0.477055: 89	0	       2	W: #27 Mississippi
7. 	Utah    	0.860804	6-1	0.606748: 13	2	       4	W: #21 Michigan
8. 	Alabama    	0.858518	7-1	0.573148: 27	0	       3	W: #26 Texas A&M
9. 	Notre Dame    	0.856740	6-1	0.601523: 15	0	       3	W: #29 Navy
10. 	TCU    	        0.836653	7-0	0.432839: 112	0	       2	W: #43 Texas

 

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Thank God we don't have to talk about Utah for another week!!! :)
 

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What's funny, and truly indicative of the bias inherent in CFB, is that nobody talks about Iowa. I have no idea how good they are or aren't, but according to Colley, they're very nearly as qualified (based on on-field performance, not that that should matter :) ) as OSU.
 

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I have no idea how good they are or aren't, but according to Colley, they're very nearly as qualified (based on on-field performance, not that that should matter ) as OSU.

Colley?? Are you referring to the same poll that had Utah ranked number 1 last week??? :)
 
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