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Colley?? Are you referring to the same poll that had Utah ranked number 1 last week??? :)

Colley isn't a poll. It's a computer ranking based on what's transpired up to the point of release. It isn't predictive in nature, it's only basis is on-field performance to date. Truly a bizarre concept, apparently...........
 

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Speaking of "missing the bus"....how on earth is gameday this week going to the notre dame vs temple game....

that sounds like more of a thursday night game than the premier matchup for saturday afternoon.
 

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Speaking of "missing the bus"....how on earth is gameday this week going to the notre dame vs temple game....

that sounds like more of a thursday night game than the premier matchup for saturday afternoon.

You don't think there's a little bias out there for ND, do you?

I had a hard time watching the Michigan - Michigan State game last week. The media is so in love with the Michigan coach that I feel it clouded their coverage as the love fell over to the Michigan team.
 

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I saw a penalty called Sat but don't remember which game. It was for a "banned gesture" after a TD. After watching the brief replay I still have no idea what it was called for.

Why couldn't the announcers fill us in, they tell us everything else about everything on and off the field?
 
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Speaking of "missing the bus"....how on earth is gameday this week going to the notre dame vs temple game....

that sounds like more of a thursday night game than the premier matchup for saturday afternoon.

I'd read that it was down to Pullman or Philly for GameDay this week.

I actually like that they move it around. Wasn't it at JMU v Richmond last week? That's pretty cool, IMO.

ETA: Looks like Temple v ND is the only match-up of two ranked teams this week.
 
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Whatever poll (or ranking) ends up being the closest to the selection committee's rankings on November 3rd is the one I'm going with next year.
 

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Ultimately, none of the polls or rankings matter. Whatever the committee wants to do, they'll do. I just like to point out the idiocy of someone touting a game or conference based on the AP poll rankings. If one is going to refer to a ranking, then they would presumably seek out the most objective one available. I don't know that Colley is the most objective, but it certainly is more so than a polling of nobody media types.
 

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Am I the only one who agrees with the NCAA when they say, "Ranking football teams is an art, not a science. Football is popular in some measure because the outcome of a game between reasonably matched teams is so often decided by emotional commitment, momentum, injuries and the “unexpected bounce of the ball.”

Using strictly objective polls doesn't take any of this into consideration.

And for those of you that think and 8 team playoff is coming, don't hold your breath.

Here's the link again.
http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/selection-committee-protocol
 

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BCS computers still love SEC... LSU would be No. 1

NBC Sports - Oct 27, 2015

The SEC was dominant under the old BCS format, putting together a seven-game winning streak in the BCS Championship Game from 2007 through 2013 and winning nine of the 16 BCS Championship Games... If the old system was still in play today, LSU would be... the top-ranked team in the BCS standings, as determined by five of the computer formulas previously used in the BCS system. Ohio State, currently No. 1, would be ranked No. 4 in the BCS, putting the Buckeyes at risk of missing out on a championship bidd. Clemson would be ranked No. 2, followed by No. 3 Alabama.

SEC teams [currently] fill three of the top 10 spots in the College Football Computer Composite used by USA Today. In addition to No. 1 LSU and No. 3 Alabama, Florida rounds out the top 10.

<food for thought>
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Am I the only one who agrees with the NCAA when they say, "Ranking football teams is an art, not a science. Football is popular in some measure because the outcome of a game between reasonably matched teams is so often decided by emotional commitment, momentum, injuries and the “unexpected bounce of the ball.”

Using strictly objective polls doesn't take any of this into consideration.

And for those of you that think and 8 team playoff is coming, don't hold your breath.

Here's the link again.
http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/selection-committee-protocol
I'd say, roughly, more than 90% science and less than 10% art. Bottom line is that the process needs to be fair and transparent. To just throw a handful of biased committee members into a room and let them decide is neither.
Of course, for those that just want to see Bama, Texas, OSU and Notre Dame every year, I presume being fair isn't a consideration.

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I'd say, roughly, more than 90% science and less than 10% art. Bottom line is that the process needs to be fair and transparent. To just throw a handful of biased committee members into a room and let them decide is neither.
Of course, for those that just want to see Bama, Texas, OSU and Notre Dame every year, I presume being fair isn't a consideration.

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I was pretty much thinking of the MI-MI State game where State won but was on the brink of losing. The computers don't take that into consideration, humans can.

Loss of key players also can't be considered by the computers. Is a team that just won still good if they lose the one player who keeps them winning?

I think if you get the right peeps on the committee, they can come up with the four best teams or close to it.

They consider conference championships highly and two teams got hurt last year by being named co-champs. That conference should have had a tie breaker in place then maybe OSU doesn't even crack the top four.
 

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They consider conference championships highly and two teams got hurt last year by being named co-champs. That conference should have had a tie breaker in place then maybe OSU doesn't even crack the top four.

Yes, OSU barely got in and eventually won the championship. We spend a lot of time on this thread talking about the bias in the polls and the selection committee, but I feel the NCAA currently has the right formula. Sure, they could expand the group to 8 teams, but I'm very happy with the current setup.
 

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I was pretty much thinking of the MI-MI State game where State won but was on the brink of losing. The computers don't take that into consideration, humans can.

Loss of key players also can't be considered by the computers. Is a team that just won still good if they lose the one player who keeps them winning?

I think if you get the right peeps on the committee, they can come up with the four best teams or close to it.

They consider conference championships highly and two teams got hurt last year by being named co-champs. That conference should have had a tie breaker in place then maybe OSU doesn't even crack the top four.

Actually, the two scenarios you listed are the exact two that came to my mind in allocating the 10% to art. If Trevone Boykin breaks both his legs on the last play of the regular season, I think it's semi-reasonable to dock TCU's chances of being in the playoff. Or, if Michigan and MSU were dead even for the last spot, then I think it would be at least semi-rational to give the spot to Michigan, given that were in not for a once-in-a-lifetime type play, they had that game won. But, bottom line, both those scenarios are rare and still debatable. That's why I say 10%.

Reading the link you posted, I have no issue with the verbiage. But the protocol needs a lot more resolution. For instance, if they're relying on strength of schedule so heavily, publish how it's computed, estimated or SWAGged, and publish each team's ongoing SOS with the weekly release. The way it is now, it's like a professor telling students that they're final grade is going to be based X% on weekly quizzes, Y% on midterms and Z% on the final, but not telling the students what X,Y and Z are or revealing any specific test results along the way. Instead, he just tells them what their final grade would be if the class ended today. That's not transparent. And lack of transparency leads to a lack of trust.

I put little faith in the committee in terms of fairness. Looking at it's members it's hard to not infer some biases. So, make the "formula" for getting into the playoff public, and follow it unless there are extraordinary circumstances that can be explained and rationalized by fans. Of course, if they were to do this, the formula would clearly show that in most years 4 teams isn't enough.
 
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First CFP ranking come out tomorrow. For now.....

AP Top 10
RK	TEAM	REC	PTS	TREND
1	Ohio State(39)	8-0	1465	—
2	Baylor(6)	7-0	1408	—
3	Clemson(6)	8-0	1381	—
4	LSU(5)	7-0	1346	—
5	TCU(4)	8-0	1336	—
6	Michigan State	8-0	1249	—
7	Alabama(1)	7-1	1160	—
8	Notre Dame	7-1	1019	 1
9	Stanford	7-1	1014	 1
10	Iowa	8-0	954	—

Coaches Poll
RK	TEAM	REC	PTS	TREND
1	Ohio State(48)	8-0	1574	—
2	Baylor(9)	7-0	1481	—
3	TCU(4)	8-0	1441	—
4	LSU(1)	7-0	1388	—
5	Clemson(2)	8-0	1377	 1
6	Michigan State	8-0	1337	 1
7	Alabama	7-1	1223	—
8	Stanford	7-1	1069	—
9	Notre Dame	7-1	1068	—
10	Oklahoma State	8-0	978	—

Colley
1. 	Michigan St    	0.956830	8-0	0.571038: 28	1	3	W: #17 Michigan
2. 	Clemson    	0.930572	8-0	0.538215: 49	1	3	W: #6 Notre Dame
3. 	LSU    	        0.930302	7-0	0.553245: 41	1	3	W: #10 Florida
4. 	Ohio St    	0.911048	8-0	0.513809: 60	1	2	W: #19 Penn St
5. 	Iowa    	0.905658	8-0	0.507073: 64	1	3	W: #20 Northwestern
6. 	Notre Dame    	0.895641	7-1	0.619551: 9	2	3	W: #21 Temple
7. 	TCU    	        0.875091	8-0	0.468864: 85	0	1	W: #42 Texas Tech
8. 	Memphis    	0.869698	8-0	0.462123: 94	1	3	W: #18 Mississippi
9. 	Utah    	0.863425	7-1	0.579281: 21	1	3	W: #17 Michigan
10. 	Florida    	0.861586	7-1	0.576983: 23	1	3	W: #18 Mississippi

 
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How will Baylor football team play this week without their #1 QB?
 

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This thread got awfully quiet.

I'm surprised Ohio State got ranked as high as they did. Until the last two games they seemed to struggle. Could the committee be giving them credit for last year just a little bit?
 

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If Ohio St makes it through the Big 10 undefeated, they are in. Each of the top four teams have tough games ahead, so they all will have to earn it.
 

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If Ohio St makes it through the Big 10 undefeated, they are in. Each of the top four teams have tough games ahead, so they all will have to earn it.

Here is to hoping if Notre Dame wins out that they do not make it. But my gut says if they win out they are in.

I hope for Iowa, Baylor, LSU and Bama to make it.
 

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eh, baylor clearly isnt the same potent offense without their qb whos out for the season.

I doubt they make the top 4 even if they finish out the season with no losses.
 

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I take that back...he certainly ended up with a great game tonight!
 

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Unsurprisingly, I though the first release from the committee was laughable. For every reason they could possibly conceive to push teams like Alabama up so high, that reasoning was contradicted elsewhere in their very own rankings. That's the problem with a committee approach, there's no rules to play by, so they can't even be consistent among themselves.

At some point we need to get away from lawyers, administrators and washed up football coaches trying to tell us who the best teams are and just let the issue be settled on the field. Crazy, I know..............
 

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I thought Alabama was questionable, but basically agree on the others in the top 4. Regardless, it doesn't matter. I'm willing to bet there will only be one SEC team this year and whoever it is will have to earn it!
 

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I thought Alabama was questionable, but basically agree on the others in the top 4. Regardless, it doesn't matter. I'm willing to bet there will only be one SEC team this year and whoever it is will have to earn it!

No, nothing matters right now. But that the committee is so inconsistent, yet spins their release like they're beyond question, is offensive. If it's ok at this point to have 1 loss and make the top 4 due to strength of schedule, then why isn't Notre Dame ahead of Alabama, as UND's SOS, to date, has been much tougher than Bama's. Furthermore, Notre Dame (whom I despise, BTW, just to be clear) has only a narrow loss to the committee's #1 team, while Bama has an ugly loss to an unranked team. The committee would then say that they've "watched the games" and use that as their criteria for ranking. Do we really want the Condi Rice's of the world telling us who's good at football? :hysterical:
 

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the reasoning for alabama being that high is obvious....the game this weekend will earn countless millions for espn as a top SEC vs SEC matchup....and gameday location. its literally their dream game mid-season. (you know, the ones they tried to bill earlier as the best teams around, before the SEC west started losing)

and again, a win win for the SEC/ESPN....that 600 million dollar investment is paying off!

should LSU win, they clearly win the right to be the best team in the nation, as they just beat an alabama team thats ranked in the top 4 in the nation and is just so good!

should bama win, they clearly win the right to be the best team in the nation, as they just beat an LSU team thats ranked in the top 4 in the nation and is just so good!
 

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the reasoning for alabama being that high is obvious....the game this weekend will earn countless millions for espn as a top SEC vs SEC matchup....and gameday location. its literally their dream game mid-season. (you know, the ones they tried to bill earlier as the best teams around, before the SEC west started losing)

and again, a win win for the SEC/ESPN....that 600 million dollar investment is paying off!

should LSU win, they clearly win the right to be the best team in the nation, as they just beat an alabama team thats ranked in the top 4 in the nation and is just so good!

should bama win, they clearly win the right to be the best team in the nation, as they just beat an LSU team thats ranked in the top 4 in the nation and is just so good!

Yep, this was my conclusion as well. All about marketing, hype and money. Very little to do with objective selection of the best 4 teams in the country.

FWIW, the current Colley rankings have Florida, Utah and Alabama with identical records and very similar SOS. So, regardless of their absolute rankings, why aren't those 3 teams right next to each other in the CFP committee's rankings? Even if one wants to dismiss Colley's SOS (presumably because it's based on data :shrug: :hysterical: ), it would be difficult to argue that Alabama has played a tougher schedule than Florida or Utah. Alabama is #4, Florida is #10 and Utah is #12. One of those teams is mis-ranked. Not hard to figure out which.
 
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