[Closed - new thread started] Will Hawaii Open by [OCTOBER???] [Please use this thread for all Hawaii Coronavirus discussions]

[slip]

I think they are saying hospitals are at or near capacity so i guess lower numbers and less stress on the hospitals?

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Yes, they would go hand in hand.

 

[csodjd]

Did the governor explain what will be achieved after two weeks? I guess he did not.

It makes sense, though I'd have gone a bit longer just for margin. But if the incubation is 2 weeks, if new exposures stop tomorrow, it'll take up to two weeks for everyone NOW exposed to either get sick or become non-infectious. CDC says that 10 days after onset of symptoms and 1-day of no fever, you're not infectious anymore. So the two-week order allows all the infections to appear, and no further spread to occur. It SHOULD result in a rapid reduction in cases at about day 9-10 since most cases appear before that, with the new cases then being only from the essential workers that are careless.

 

[PearlCity]

It makes sense, though I'd have gone a bit longer just for margin. But if the incubation is 2 weeks, if new exposures stop tomorrow, it'll take up to two weeks for everyone NOW exposed to either get sick or become non-infectious. CDC says that 10 days after onset of symptoms and 1-day of no fever, you're not infectious anymore. So the two-week order allows all the infections to appear, and no further spread to occur. It SHOULD result in a rapid reduction in cases at about day 9-10 since most cases appear before that, with the new cases then being only from the essential workers that are careless.

It may get extended. He essentially shut beaches and hiking trails 2 weeks ago and restricted gatherings to groups of 5 or less last week. Most people have been staying home already

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[csodjd]

It may get extended. He essentially shut beaches and hiking trails 2 weeks ago and restricted gatherings to groups of 5 or less last week. Most people have been staying home already

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It may. But if it is complied with, it should actually do the trick and shouldn't have to be. And if they put testing and REAL contact tracing on the back end of it, they should be back to < 10 cases a day within 2-3 weeks and be able to keep it there. This gives Hawaii its BEST chance of being able to "open" come October 1 because by Sept. 15 the case counts should be what they were a couple months ago.

 

[Tamaradarann]

I am not included in the decision making. They just aren't willing to medevac him. Initially he was supposed to be moved then it was just changed today. I am not sure why, but I suppose that the doctors have made the decision based upon his condition (could be good or could be bad, I suppose). Like I said it is really frustrating.

With the high number of Coronavirus Cases on Oahu and as Pearl City stated on this thread that hospitals are at or near capacity perhaps they figure that it is better to keep him on Hawaii Island, which has less Coronaviurs cases and hospital overcrowding, than to add to the Oahu Hospitals case load and increase the danger of infection from Coronavirus. If you haven't asked about the reason for the decision not to move him I would, at least it may ease your mind that the decision has a care based reason not just a whim.

 

[DannyTS]

Math Question:
If a lily pad duplicates itself daily, and it takes 60 days for the lily pads to fully cover a pond - on what day is the pond 25% full of lily pads? 50%?
(extra credit for 3.125% coverage?)

(then replace ‘lily pad’ with ‘people with a virus’, and ‘pond’ with ‘Maui’)


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Now replace ‘lily pad’ with ‘people with a virus’, and ‘pond’ with ‘Maui’. Do you see why it is not the same thing?

 

[klpca]

With the high number of Coronavirus Cases on Oahu and as Pearl City stated on this thread that hospitals are at or near capacity perhaps they figure that it is better to keep him on Hawaii Island, which has less Coronaviurs cases and hospital overcrowding, than to add to the Oahu Hospitals case load and increase the danger of infection from Coronavirus. If you haven't asked about the reason for the decision not to move him I would, at least it may ease your mind that the decision has a care based reason not just a whim.

I completely trust the folks making this decision (doctors and family) but it was both a surprise as it was opposite of what we had been told in the morning, as well as a sobering reminder of how much covid has changed people's lives. I can't wait for this nightmare to be over.

 

[csodjd]

I completely trust the folks making this decision (doctors and family) but it was both a surprise as it was opposite of what we had been told in the morning, as well as a sobering reminder of how much covid has changed people's lives. I can't wait for this nightmare to be over.

There are a lot of factors that affect patient transfers. First and foremost is the risk to the patient -- can he/she safely be moved. But at the other end there needs to be a bed available and a receiving physician that will/can take the patient. I'm engaged in defending a malpractice case right now where a patient died before he could be transferred because there was no bed available yet at the receiving facility. My client secured a physician to receive the patient but by the time the call came that there was a bed in the unit the patient had to go to his condition had deteriorated and they couldn't move him. Adding to it all, because the transfer was from a contracted hospital to a non-contracted one the transfer had to be approved by the IPA then a "letter of agreement" addressing payment had to be entered into between the IPA and the hospital before the receiving hospital would even accept the patient.

As I understand it in Hawaii right now they have a problem with care providers, not beds. They are short doctors and nurses. Maybe that played a role in the decision, maybe not. My point is simply that things go on behind the scenes, it's not as simple as just transferring a patient, irrespective of COVID.

 

[klpca]

There are a lot of factors that affect patient transfers. First and foremost is the risk to the patient -- can he/she safely be moved. But at the other end there needs to be a bed available and a receiving physician that will/can take the patient. I'm engaged in defending a malpractice case right now where a patient died before he could be transferred because there was no bed available yet at the receiving facility. My client secured a physician to receive the patient but by the time the call came that there was a bed in the unit the patient had to go to his condition had deteriorated and they couldn't move him. Adding to it all, because the transfer was from a contracted hospital to a non-contracted one the transfer had to be approved by the IPA then a "letter of agreement" addressing payment had to be entered into between the IPA and the hospital before the receiving hospital would even accept the patient.

As I understand it in Hawaii right now they have a problem with care providers, not beds. They are short doctors and nurses. Maybe that played a role in the decision, maybe not. My point is simply that things go on behind the scenes, it's not as simple as just transferring a patient, irrespective of COVID.

Very interesting.

 

[SandyPGravel]

Deleted, apparently this wasn't as "new" news as ABC made it appear

 

[Tamaradarann]

Very interesting.

I clearly don't have the knowledge or background of csodjd, but it might be worth it to ask the question why he is not being transferred. Are you named as the Health Care Proxy?

 

[DeniseM]

The OP said it isn't their decision.

 

[klpca]

I clearly don't have the knowledge or background of csodjd, but it might be worth it to ask the question why he is not being transferred. Are you named as the Health Care Proxy?

No, I'm just receiving the info. His family has it under control. But covid was the reason given. I am sure that there is a lot going on the the background that I am not aware of. I also assume that they have his best interest at heart.

 

[Tamaradarann]

No, I'm just receiving the info. His family has it under control. But covid was the reason given. I am sure that there is a lot going on the the background that I am not aware of. I also assume that they have his best interest at heart.

Well my husband and I are not going to Honolulu right now to stay in our Condo due to the virus. We certainly wouldn't want to be going there to go into a Hospital where there are COVID-19 patients. Perhaps keeping him on the Island of Hawaii is best.

 

[csodjd]

Well my husband and I are not going to Honolulu right now to stay in our Condo due to the virus. We certainly wouldn't want to be going there to go into a Hospital where there are COVID-19 patients. Perhaps keeping him on the Island of Hawaii is best.

Eh... a hospital with COVID patients is probably a lot safer than a bar or musty restaurant.

 

[csodjd]

No, I'm just receiving the info. His family has it under control. But covid was the reason given. I am sure that there is a lot going on the the background that I am not aware of. I also assume that they have his best interest at heart.

Again... my experience is that the doctors and health care providers absolutely do all they can for the patient and what's best for the patient. But they sometimes encounter "business" and practical hurdles that frustrate them as much as anyone. I'd also say that, while one can ask the reason, it's not likely you'll get a true answer if the reason is something they'd rather not talk about, like "couldn't agree to payment terms" or something like that.

 

[WVBaker]

This will take in effect on Thursday at 12:01 a.m. for the next two weeks.

WATCH: Gov. Ige approves stay-at-home, work-from-home order

HONOLULU (KHON2) — Governor David Ige has approved a stay-at-home, work-from-home order for the island of Oahu. This will take in effect on Thursday at 12:01 a.m. for the next two weeks. Emer…

www.khon2.com

 

[slip]

Don’t be surprised if this is extended.

 

[csodjd]

Don’t be surprised if this is extended.

With the hugely increased testing we/they should get a way better handle on what's going on. It may be necessary to extend it a week or two, but that ought to be sufficient given the testing and the two-week incubation -- IF -- people are compliant, wear masks when out, etc.

 

[slip]

With the hugely increased testing we/they should get a way better handle on what's going on. It may be necessary to extend it a week or two, but that ought to be sufficient given the testing and the two-week incubation -- IF -- people are compliant, wear masks when out, etc.

I’ll just say I’m not holding my breath.

 

[rickandcindy23]

We have friends who have been on Oahu for several years, and they are now moving to Maui for a great job opportunity for him, and so she is on Oahu in their home, he is on Maui, living in a rented room in a house. They have dogs, and she cannot move their stuff herself, so she is in quite a pickle right now. Their house is sold, no help from him because of the quarantine between islands. I guess she will have to pay money to movers to get her moved over to Maui.

I know it could be worse, but they are a fairly young couple, and I feel badly they may be separated for what may be a long time with this restriction in place. It was good for a while because she was going back and forth for visits. Now she needs to go and stay put with him, but he has to find a house to buy without her. Such a strange circumstance.

 

[dsmrp]

Selfishly, I wish they didn't extend the inter-island quarantine requirement. It was due to expire Aug 31. I found only 1 Hawaii website updated with this extension. The other county websites still list Aug 31 date, which can be misleading to those considering inter-island flights.

Would have been a great way to use my limited use Hyatt points and see the Hyatt Maui resort to boot. Oh well, Maui Covid counts are going up a lot too....

 

[DannyTS]

it seems that Hawaiians are starting to question what is going on

Akina, Perry discuss Hawaii's 'state secrets' | Grassroot Institute of Hawaii

Gov. David Ige’s secretive decision-making during the coronavirus crisis has caught the attention of journalists throughout Hawaii, including Michael W. Perry, the state’s most popular radio personality, who yesterday, Wednesday, Aug. 27, 2020, interviewed Grassroot Institute of Hawaii President...

www.grassrootinstitute.org

 

[rickandcindy23]

"...the public are losing confidence in their government's leaders." Yep.

Good interview, and so true. More people are questioning whether the cost of losing businesses is worth it. I feel badly for Hawaii. Will Hawaii ever recover from this?

 

[Tamaradarann]

Eh... a hospital with COVID patients is probably a lot safer than a bar or musty restaurant.

Perhaps, so we are not going into bars, musty restaurants, planes, buses, trains, stores, supermarkets, big box stores etc. We get delivery or pick-up outside the store if we need stuff.