[Closed - new thread started] Will Hawaii Open by [OCTOBER???] [Please use this thread for all Hawaii Coronavirus discussions]

[dsmrp]

On a side note, we're planning on renting a car for a few days later this month. On quick check of the rates, they seemed kinda high considering there is very low demand now. Lowest is about $150-160 for 4 days, weekly rate is $250.

My brother tells me the Aloha stadium parking lot is filled with un-rented rental cars.

 

[csodjd]

On a side note, we're planning on renting a car for a few days later this month. On quick check of the rates, they seemed kinda high considering there is very low demand now. Lowest is about $150-160 for 4 days, weekly rate is $250.

My brother tells me the Aloha stadium parking lot is filled with un-rented rental cars.

Maybe that’s one of the reasons.

 

[PearlCity]

On a side note, we're planning on renting a car for a few days later this month. On quick check of the rates, they seemed kinda high considering there is very low demand now. Lowest is about $150-160 for 4 days, weekly rate is $250.

My brother tells me the Aloha stadium parking lot is filled with un-rented rental cars.

Yes the stadium is filled with cars. And a swear i see them parked on the side of roads on some part of town (multiple cars same model diff color)

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[frank808]

On a side note, we're planning on renting a car for a few days later this month. On quick check of the rates, they seemed kinda high considering there is very low demand now. Lowest is about $150-160 for 4 days, weekly rate is $250.

My brother tells me the Aloha stadium parking lot is filled with un-rented rental cars.

There are thousands of unused rental cars sitting in the lower parking lot at Aloha Stadium. Will try to take a pic and post it here when I drive by.

 

[fillde]

43% of Oahu residents say they want an immediate change in the policies that discourage tourists.

Hawaii residents frustrated with how coronavirus pandemic is being managed, survey finds | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

As the parade of triple- digit coronavirus case counts continued Friday, a statewide survey has detected a growing frustration among Hawaii residents about the way the pandemic is being managed.

www.staradvertiser.com

 

[DannyTS]

Two months ago when Hawaii had very few cases and mainland had a lot less spread than now, 80% supported the stringent measures. Now both mainland and Hawaii have a lot more cases but less people support the measures.

 

[Breezy52]

I finally conceded defeat for a two-week trip in early November and rebooked elsewhere. This is the first year since 2002 I haven't gone to Hawaii at least once a year, the past few years 2-3 times. <Sigh>

I suspect i should follow your lead, sigh....

 

[Ken555]

43% of Oahu residents say they want an immediate change in the policies that discourage tourists.

Hawaii residents frustrated with how coronavirus pandemic is being managed, survey finds | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

As the parade of triple- digit coronavirus case counts continued Friday, a statewide survey has detected a growing frustration among Hawaii residents about the way the pandemic is being managed.

www.staradvertiser.com

Everyone should read this article...it’s much more than just a survey on tourists (and, I would suggest, that 43% is the least important part of this article). For example:

The survey elsewhere found four out of five Hawaii adults either “very concerned” or “somewhat concerned” about themselves or someone in their family getting sick with COVID-19. The “very concerned” response increased 13 percentage points over the last survey.

Gov. David Ige and other top officials have said Hawaii let its guard down after the kamaaina economy opened in June, allowing the virus to spread.

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[Luanne]

I suspect i should follow your lead, sigh....

We have been going to Maui every March for the past few years. We went this year, right before everything fell to pieces. We won't be going back until 2022.

 

[slip]

Everyone should read this article...it’s much more than just a survey on tourists (and, I would suggest, that 43% is the least important part of this article). For example:




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Everyone should read this article...it’s much more than just a survey on tourists (and, I would suggest, that 43% is the least important part of this article). For example:




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There is a lot of information here but to me the only surprise is that 43% figure. If it’s correct.

 

[Ken555]

There is a lot of information here but to me the only surprise is that 43% figure. If it’s correct.

It’s probably accurate, but out of context. I’d like to see the questions.


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[slip]

It’s probably accurate, but out of context. I’d like to see the questions.


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I’m not surprised to see some people changing their minds here in Hawaii. The amount is the surprise. Seems like these polls can always be picked apart from both ends.

 

[DannyTS]

I would have like to see the actual survey, I do not find the article particularly clear. I did not understand how many people are very concerned, that would show how many people would oppose any measure to open the islands. "Somewhat concerned" does not say anything, every person I know is at least somewhat concerned.

 

[PigsDad]

We have been going to Maui every March for the past few years. We went this year, right before everything fell to pieces. We won't be going back until 2022.

Assuming Hawaii will be open for tourists by 2022.

Kurt

 

[Pathways]

There is a lot of information here but to me the only surprise is that 43% figure. If it’s correct.

I'm with Ken555, I'd like to see the questions. As stated, it just says that % wants changes. Half of those might want to see tighter controls.

Also not surprised as the % who gave concerns. They have sacrificed so much for almost 6 months, but yet the numbers are going up. Many of us have been around the virus and know numerous friends/family who have contracted/recovered, (also some sadly for whom it didn't go well) so we are getting used to it. Those on the islands are kind of in a bubble news wise, and are still counting on Covid not spreading at all in their neighborhood.

 

[PearlCity]

So i think most people in Hawaii are frustrated. On Oahu they shut hiking trails and beaches and no gatherings of more than outside of your home of more than 5 And no gatherings with folks outside of your household even in your own house. But yet Gyms which have been tied to clusters and the waterpark is still open. Its confusing.

I happened to be hiking at the exact time the state shut the trails down. I only saw one person on the entire trail not from our group.

All the while no enforcement of quarantine. And i will say personally- i believe it was residents traveling away and returning home not properly quarantining. As well as essential workers traveling and not properly taking precautions as well...i

Its crazy.

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[Luanne]

Assuming Hawaii will be open for tourists by 2022.

Kurt

Well, there is that. If it's not, we'll cancel.

 

[cman]

I would have like to see the actual survey, I do not find the article particularly clear. I did not understand how many people are very concerned, that would show how many people would oppose any measure to open the islands. "Somewhat concerned" does not say anything, every person I know is at least somewhat concerned.

I think this might be it.

SMS Community Pulse Survey Dashboard

The SMS Community Pulse Survey Dashboard shows the SMS Community Pulse Survey results.

www.smshawaii.com

 

[DannyTS]

Not good news today: 284 new cases, 5 Oahu hospitals at or near capacity, Governor considers layoffs, program cuts to address budget crisis

248 new COVID-19 cases reported, pushing statewide total to 6,600

Of the new cases, 228 were on Oahu, eight were on the Big Island and 12 were on Maui.

www.hawaiinewsnow.com

5 Oahu hospitals at or near capacity as coronavirus infections continue to surge

Friday marked the 19th consecutive day that Hawaii saw new COVID-19 infections in the triple digits.

www.hawaiinewsnow.com

Governor considers layoffs, program cuts to address budget crisis

The governor is asking department heads to plan for budget cuts of up to 20% by identifying programs and employees that can be eliminated.

www.hawaiinewsnow.com

 

[csodjd]

Not good news today: 284 new cases, 5 Oahu hospitals at or near capacity, Governor considers layoffs, program cuts to address budget crisis

248 new COVID-19 cases reported, pushing statewide total to 6,600

Of the new cases, 228 were on Oahu, eight were on the Big Island and 12 were on Maui.

www.hawaiinewsnow.com

5 Oahu hospitals at or near capacity as coronavirus infections continue to surge

Friday marked the 19th consecutive day that Hawaii saw new COVID-19 infections in the triple digits.

www.hawaiinewsnow.com

Governor considers layoffs, program cuts to address budget crisis

The governor is asking department heads to plan for budget cuts of up to 20% by identifying programs and employees that can be eliminated.

www.hawaiinewsnow.com

A 10.9% infection rate. That's not good at all. And the graph below tells us a lot. Note the steady or even slightly increasing Rt value since about July 12, reflecting no success in controlling the virus at all for well over a month now -- so people are not taking precautions and are spreading the infection exponentially.

All the efforts and sacrifices from March through May were wasted. I don't know if that's the result of the government failing Hawaii's residents miserably, or the residents failing miserably despite the best efforts of the government, or somewhere in between -- but its failing miserably either way, that's for sure. This is the highest spread in the entire United States by a LOT and it's been the highest spread in the US for more than a month straight now.

Compare with California, shown in part below Hawaii below. There is no way California is doing anything Hawaii cannot do. So why the difference?

New Zealand reinstituted a total two-week lockdown because 6 cases popped up. Clearly Hawaii needs a complete stay-at-home shutdown for at least two weeks to break this cycle. Everything closed. Everyone home. No going anywhere except absolute essentials -- food and medical care.

California:

 

[jabberwocky]

I agree that Hawaii has missed the boat on this and squandered a lot of time to upgrade their health system capacity and contact tracing.

You are also correct that they are by far the state that is in the most precarious position right now in terms of spread. As you point out, the R value is the highest in the US right now.

I’m not so sure I am agreeing with your assessment of California being the best comparison on the R value basis. If anything CA is mediocre at best. The two states with the best R values currently are Alabama and Arizona. Hardly shining beacons of lock-down behaviour. Even Florida isn’t looking too bad on this metric.

I believe the simplest explanation here is that the early and largely successful efforts to suppress transmission in Hawaii left a lot of people potentially exposed for the eventual arrival. To use a firefighting analogy, by trying to put out every small fire (Complete lockdown and quarantine) rather than using controlled burns (targeted measures coupled with appropriate medical capacity and contact tracing), there has been a lot of dry tinder available for the wildfire to consume.

Locking down with nearly complete isolation, and hoping a vaccine arrives one day may work for New Zealand which has a much more self-sustaining economy, but if the virus gets loose before the vaccine - all hell can break loose - which is what I think we are seeing in Hawaii right now coupled with an economic disaster.

I’m not advocating herd immunity or not trying any targeted public health measures. I do think that complete lockdowns and 14 day mandatory quarantines without testing exceptions are heavy handed and end up backfiring in the long run.

 

[csodjd]

I agree that Hawaii has missed the boat on this and squandered a lot of time to upgrade their health system capacity and contact tracing.

You are also correct that they are by far the state that is in the most precarious position right now in terms of spread. As you point out, the R value is the highest in the US right now.

I’m not so sure I am agreeing with your assessment of California being the best comparison on the R value basis. If anything CA is mediocre at best. The two states with the best R values currently are Alabama and Arizona. Hardly shining beacons of lock-down behaviour. Even Florida isn’t looking too bad on this metric.

I believe the simplest explanation here is that the early and largely successful efforts to suppress transmission in Hawaii left a lot of people potentially exposed for the eventual arrival. To use a firefighting analogy, by trying to put out every small fire (Complete lockdown and quarantine) rather than using controlled burns (targeted measures coupled with appropriate medical capacity and contact tracing), there has been a lot of dry tinder available for the wildfire to consume.

Locking down with nearly complete isolation, and hoping a vaccine arrives one day may work for New Zealand which has a much more self-sustaining economy, but if the virus gets loose before the vaccine - all hell can break loose - which is what I think we are seeing in Hawaii right now coupled with an economic disaster.

I’m not advocating herd immunity or not trying any targeted public health measures. I do think that complete lockdowns and 14 day mandatory quarantines without testing exceptions are heavy handed and end up backfiring in the long run.

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I didn’t intend to suggest CA was the “best” comparison. Just an example from a place that I think SHOULD be much more difficult to deal with than Hawaii. Hawaii has complete control over its ingress. Nobody is arriving they don’t know about. Managing an epidemic in CA ought to be far more challenging than in Hawaii. My point was that EVEN California was doing better.

I personally don’t think it was leaving a lot of people vulnerable is the problem, I think the early success left a lot of people complacent and feeling invulnerable. I suspect — I have no real proof of this, but suspect — we’ll find that Hawaii failed to adequately implement testing and contact tracing and THAT’s the reason they are where they are.

But whatever it is that got them there, they MUST act aggressively to stop the spread or Hawaii is looking at months of overwhelming illness and failure of their healthcare. People will die that should not have died because of lack of access to care. So they need to get their **** together fast, and I don’t think that can be done with surgical measures, it needs a sledgehammer.

 

[PigsDad]

@jabberwocky, can you share a link to where you find those R value graphs by state? Thanks!

Kurt

 

[jabberwocky]

Sure thing.

https://rt.live/us/

 

[Ken555]

Sure thing.

https://rt.live/us/

For reference, this is the site I posted several times in previous months in other threads. It was discounted by several people for not being trustworthy since the people behind it are in the tech field and not bio.


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