[Closed - new thread started] Will Hawaii Open by [OCTOBER???] [Please use this thread for all Hawaii Coronavirus discussions]

[csodjd]

For reference, this is the site I posted several times in previous months in other threads. It was discounted by several people for not being trustworthy since the people behind it are in the tech field and not bio.


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Well, there's also this data from Univ. of Washington, which displays graphically what we're all reading in the paper.

 

[Ken555]

Well, there's also this data from Univ. of Washington, which displays graphically what we're all reading in the paper.

Oh, *I* believe rt.live is fairly accurate.

 

[DannyTS]

The small businesses have been affected pretty hard in Hawaii.

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[controller1]

It doesn't look real good for those who have been discussing herd immunity as a way of dealing with Coronavirus.

Hong Kong man becomes first patient to be reinfected with coronavirus, researchers say

The finding suggests that some patients who recover from COVID-19 may have only short-lived immunity to reinfection.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[csodjd]

It doesn't look real good for those who have been discussing herd immunity as a way of dealing with Coronavirus.

Hong Kong man becomes first patient to be reinfected with coronavirus, researchers say

The finding suggests that some patients who recover from COVID-19 may have only short-lived immunity to reinfection.

www.nbcnews.com

If the findings of this are true, we'd expect to see a pretty good number of reinfections popping up. So I wouldn't get too invested in a single case. When we have credible science of 50 cases then we're on to something (of concern).

 

[DannyTS]

It doesn't look real good for those who have been discussing herd immunity as a way of dealing with Coronavirus.

Hong Kong man becomes first patient to be reinfected with coronavirus, researchers say

The finding suggests that some patients who recover from COVID-19 may have only short-lived immunity to reinfection.

www.nbcnews.com

I am cautious when I read news from China about Covid. Could it be a case of false positive either in March or now? Especially in March, the tests were not as reliable as they are today (still not 100%)
The patient was asymptomatic mid - August and had very mild symptoms in March. Why was he hospitalized twice? This might be standard procedure in HK though, I do not know.

I read that in theory it is not impossible for somebody to be reinfected with Covid (and other viruses) but it may be such a rare event that it is not significant enough to alter public heath decisions. So far we have 26 million infections confirmed worldwide. How many reinfections? I read about less than 100 cases. Even if they are not due to false positives, they are so rare it does not make a difference. Remember, vaccines are not 100% effective either.

The article also says "While immunity was not enough to block reinfection, it protected the person from disease." We also do not know if the person would shed enough virus to infect others. I do not see how this does not look good for those that discuss herd immunity.

 

[DeniseM]

Friendly reminder - let's keep this thread focused on C19 in Hawaii. If you have other info to share (China) please post it in the TUG lounge in the general thread.

 

[JIMinNC]

It doesn't look real good for those who have been discussing herd immunity as a way of dealing with Coronavirus.

Hong Kong man becomes first patient to be reinfected with coronavirus, researchers say

The finding suggests that some patients who recover from COVID-19 may have only short-lived immunity to reinfection.

www.nbcnews.com

After reading this article in its entirety, it strikes me as a prime example of the irresponsible way many in the media are reporting on this pandemic. Some ALWAYS lead with the scary stories & the bad news. This is one case out of 23 million and it seems he didn't actually get sick, but the virus was found in his system. As I read it, there's more good news there than bad, but you wouldn't know it from the headline, subhead, and lead paragraphs.

There have been similar "if it bleeds it leads" stories about what is happening in Hawaii as well. NO question that Hawaii is facing a serious up tick in cases that must be slowed, but it seems there is a dearth of balanced reporting on this whole episode. It's either some in the media seeming to fan the hysteria, or others who seem in denial that this is a serious health issue.

 

[DavidnRobin]

Math Question:
If a lily pad duplicates itself daily, and it takes 60 days for the lily pads to fully cover a pond - on what day is the pond 25% full of lily pads? 50%?
(extra credit for 3.125% coverage?)

(then replace ‘lily pad’ with ‘people with a virus’, and ‘pond’ with ‘Maui’)


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[cman]

Math Question:
If a lily pad duplicates itself daily, and it takes 60 days for the lily pads to fully cover a pond - on what day is the pond 25% full of lily pads? 50%?
(extra credit for 3.125% coverage?)

(then replace ‘lily pad’ with ‘people with a virus’, and ‘pond’ with ‘Maui’)


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If I understand the question correctly, it would be 50% full on the 59th day, and 25% full on the 58th day.

 

[jabberwocky]

And 3.125% on day 55.

 

[DavidnRobin]

We have a Winner!
I was going to make it duplicate every 3 days - and remove the number of days for the pond to be full.

I was wondering how many here that keep expounding their scientific opinions (or put forth papers they don’t really understand) without being able to solve this simple question.


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[Tamaradarann]

We have a Winner!
I was going to make it duplicate every 3 days - and remove the number of days for the pond to be full.

I was wondering how many here that keep expounding their scientific opinions (or put forth papers they don’t really understand) without being able to solve this simple question.


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You posted this as a Math Question, however, you certainly posted this with much more Coronavirus Spread meaning that just a Math Question. To control the spread of infection there is always discussions about the importance of identification, quarantining, and tracing those that are infected. Solving this Math Question certainly points out how this virus can spread out of control very quickly to very big numbers if there isn't identification, quarantining and tracing of those that are infected in the early days when it is still controllable.

 

[DannyTS]

Beaches, Parks, Trails Closed? Honolulu Mayor’s COVID-19 Rules Defy Science, Experts Say

Beaches, Parks, Trails Closed? Honolulu Mayor's COVID-19 Rules Defy Science, Experts Say

Epidemiologists say keeping beaches, parks and hiking trails shut down without justification could backfire, driving people indoors and increasing distrust in government at a critical time.

www.civilbeat.org

 

[csodjd]

The Governor just issued a stay-at-home order for two weeks, starting Thursday, for Oahu. That should go a long way toward containing the outbreak. They are also greatly increasing testing and tracing. I didn't see any other solution because they let it get out of control. In two weeks the "new cases" should drop very low. All they need to do from there is test and trace!

Governor signs off on ‘stay-at-home’ order for Oahu that goes into effect tonight

It comes as the island prepares for another “stay-at-home” order.

www.hawaiinewsnow.com

 

[Ken555]

All they need to do from there is test and trace!

Odds on this being done correctly and sufficiently?

 

[csodjd]

Odds on this being done correctly and sufficiently?

Well, one can only hope they learned how well it works when not done correctly and will do better next time around.

 

[klpca]

Well, this now really hits home. My uncle on the Big Island was just diagnosed with a very serious condition but cannot be transferred to Honolulu because of the covid risk. Talk about feeling helpless. He needs more treatment than he can really get on the BI, yet the covid outbreak has made it just too risky. So they will do their best at the local hospital.

My aunt died, alone, in the hospital in March (not covid, but alone because of covid). Now my uncle is very sick, can't get the "normal" care he needs, and I can't get there to see him either. It is just so frustrating. Btw he is very healthy and in his early 70's. None of us thought that he would be much affected by covid as he lives in a remote area. Such an unexpected, unpleasant surprise.

 

[csodjd]

Well, this now really hits home. My uncle on the Big Island was just diagnosed with a very serious condition but cannot be transferred to Honolulu because of the covid risk. Talk about feeling helpless. He needs more treatment than he can really get on the BI, yet the covid outbreak has made it just too risky. So they will do their best at the local hospital.

My aunt died, alone, in the hospital in March (not covid, but alone because of covid). Now my uncle is very sick, can't get the "normal" care he needs, and I can't get there to see him either. It is just so frustrating. Btw he is very healthy and in his early 70's. None of us thought that he would be much affected by covid as he lives in a remote area. Such an unexpected, unpleasant surprise.

Seems the COVID risk is worth taking. I think the risk in a case like that is far more manageable (he'll be handled by professionals, it's not like he's going to a bar or will be around unmasked and careless people), and must be weighed against the risk of NOT obtaining the care that's needed.

 

[klpca]

Seems the COVID risk is worth taking. I think the risk in a case like that is far more manageable (he'll be handled by professionals, it's not like he's going to a bar or will be around unmasked and careless people), and must be weighed against the risk of NOT obtaining the care that's needed.

I am not included in the decision making. They just aren't willing to medevac him. Initially he was supposed to be moved then it was just changed today. I am not sure why, but I suppose that the doctors have made the decision based upon his condition (could be good or could be bad, I suppose). Like I said it is really frustrating.

 

[JanT]

I'm so sorry for the loss of your aunt earlier this year and am so very sorry to hear your uncle is so sick and can't get the treatment he needs. Covid-19 and the resulting chaos is simply stunning. Sending prayers for your uncle and for you.

I am not included in the decision making. They just aren't willing to medevac him. Initially he was supposed to be moved then it was just changed today. I am not sure why, but I suppose that the doctors have made the decision based upon his condition (could be good or could be bad, I suppose). Like I said it is really frustrating.

 

[DannyTS]

Did the governor explain what will be achieved after two weeks? I guess he did not.

 

[Luanne]

I am not included in the decision making. They just aren't willing to medevac him. Initially he was supposed to be moved then it was just changed today. I am not sure why, but I suppose that the doctors have made the decision based upon his condition (could be good or could be bad, I suppose). Like I said it is really frustrating.

I'm so sorry for the pain and frustration you and your family are going through.

 

[slip]

Did the governor explain what will be achieved after two weeks? I guess he did not.

The Mayor mentioned lowering the daily new case number. That is the goal of the stay at home order.

 

[PearlCity]

The Mayor mentioned lowering the daily new case number. That is the goal of the stay at home order.

I think they are saying hospitals are at or near capacity so i guess lower numbers and less stress on the hospitals?

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