[Closed - new thread started] Will Hawaii Open by [OCTOBER???] [Please use this thread for all Hawaii Coronavirus discussions]

[csodjd]

We are scheduled to be in Kauai Nov 5-12 and are crossing our fingers that the trip is a go without having to quaratine. I've been in touch with Shearwater to possibly change our check in to next Spring since we are owners and there are plenty of options still available in good penthouse units, but as of now, we are hopeful to just keep our plans for Nov. Haven't bought airfare yet, but will likely do FC for both comfort and less passengers in that cabin. We are not afraid to travel though; headed to Vegas this weekend and we've heard that it is pretty quiet.

Careful in Vegas. I was just reading that their cases have started spiking to record levels up exactly two weeks after opening the casinos and they are pausing moving to their Phase III as a result.

Nevada, Clark County sees largest daily spike in COVID-19 cases since pandemic began

Health officials attribute a spike in COVID-19 cases to Nevada going into Phase 2 of its reopening plan two and a half weeks ago and pandemic precautions taking a back seat.

www.ktnv.com

 

[Tamaradarann]

We are scheduled to be in Kauai Nov 5-12 and are crossing our fingers that the trip is a go without having to quaratine. I've been in touch with Shearwater to possibly change our check in to next Spring since we are owners and there are plenty of options still available in good penthouse units, but as of now, we are hopeful to just keep our plans for Nov. Haven't bought airfare yet, but will likely do FC for both comfort and less passengers in that cabin. We are not afraid to travel though; headed to Vegas this weekend and we've heard that it is pretty quiet.

We don't do, nor can we afford FC, it is over $2000/ticket from JFK. However over the last few years we have been springing for the extra comfort seats for our 11 hour flight from JFK to HNL on Hawaiian Airlines. We have our direct flight booked for November 8th and hopefully Hawaiian Airlines doesn't start to eliminate flights from JFK.

Is Las Vegas, Las Vegas now? Last I heard the Casios were closed and while we don't do very much gambling we do like to walk thru them and do like to do lots of shows.

 

[Tamaradarann]

Careful in Vegas. I was just reading that their cases have started spiking to record levels up exactly two weeks after opening the casinos and they are pausing moving to their Phase III as a result.

Nevada, Clark County sees largest daily spike in COVID-19 cases since pandemic began

Health officials attribute a spike in COVID-19 cases to Nevada going into Phase 2 of its reopening plan two and a half weeks ago and pandemic precautions taking a back seat.

www.ktnv.com

Well I guess you answered my question that I asked about Las Vegas. In view of the community spread that we know occurs with this virus I don't know how one can be safe there if it is anything like what I have experienced when in Las Vegas. I don't know how many people have been coming there but all of the activities in Las Vegas seem to be asking for the spread of infection. I don't know how you social distance. I don't know how you keep from picking up infections from touching doors, video games, chips, cards, railings etc. The little hand sanitizers would be used up in 10 mintues. Since hand washing is superior to hand sanitizer to be really safe you would need to carry a bathroom around with you while you were there!

 

[csodjd]

Well I guess you answered my question that I asked about Las Vegas. In view of the community spread that we know occurs with this virus I don't know how one can be safe there if it is anything like what I have experienced when in Las Vegas. I don't know how many people have been coming there but all of the activities in Las Vegas seem to be asking for the spread of infection. I don't know how you social distance. I don't know how you keep from picking up infections from touching doors, video games, chips, cards, railings etc. The little hand sanitizers would be used up in 10 mintues. Since hand washing is superior to hand sanitizer to be really safe you would need to carry a bathroom around with you while you were there!

Mai Tai's on the beach in Maui seem quite a bit safer.

 

[1Kflyerguy]

Careful in Vegas. I was just reading that their cases have started spiking to record levels up exactly two weeks after opening the casinos and they are pausing moving to their Phase III as a result.

Nevada, Clark County sees largest daily spike in COVID-19 cases since pandemic began

Health officials attribute a spike in COVID-19 cases to Nevada going into Phase 2 of its reopening plan two and a half weeks ago and pandemic precautions taking a back seat.

www.ktnv.com

I read a review online that said it was like pre-covide at the Cosmopolitan, crowded and the only people in masks were the staff. The person writing the article mentioned they were asked why they were wearing mask... As much as I enjoy Vegas, if off my list for a while...

 

[csodjd]

I read a review online that said it was like pre-covide at the Cosmopolitan, crowded and the only people in masks were the staff. The person writing the article mentioned they were asked why they were wearing mask... As much as I enjoy Vegas, if off my list for a while...

Who'd have thought.... people acting irresponsibly in Las Vegas.

 

[yeereid]

Actually, my friend just returned from Vegas and said the Cosmopolitan was empty in the casino, gym and pools, and the strip barely had any cars or people on the sidewalks. None of the shows are open yet but many of the restaurants and shops are. We're staying at the MGM on comp nights where another friend of mine works. He said occupancy is very low. I only play slots so not too concerned about handling chips as I can sanitize the machine and buttons. I don't move machines a lot and tend to just stay put for an hour or so of "donations". Planning on spending the majority of the days at the pool and then dining out. Pretty low key.

 

[Luanne]

Actually, my friend just returned from Vegas and said the Cosmopolitan was empty in the casino, gym and pools, and the strip barely had any cars or people on the sidewalks. None of the shows are open yet but many of the restaurants and shops are. We're staying at the MGM on comp nights where another friend of mine works. He said occupancy is very low. I only play slots so not too concerned about handling chips as I can sanitize the machine and buttons. I don't move machines a lot and tend to just stay put for an hour or so of "donations". Planning on spending the majority of the days at the pool and then dining out. Pretty low key.

We were talking about casinos opening a couple of days ago. Thought an app on the phone that would play the slot machines for you would be a good thing. It could be totally contactless.

 

[Yellowfin]

18 cases today in Oahu. They cannot blame it on out of state tourists.

 

[slip]

18 cases today in Oahu. They cannot blame it on out of state tourists.

No, but there have been a couple of active clusters they have been monitoring.

 

[Yellowfin]

No, but there have been a couple of active clusters they have been monitoring.

unfortunately we all know the cockroach principle.

 

[Luanne]

unfortunately we all know the cockroach principle.

I don't. Why don't you explain it to me.

 

[controller1]

unfortunately we all know the cockroach principle.

I don't. Why don't you explain it to me.

From a Google search: The cockroach principle says that if you see one cockroach running across the floor, there are many more that you don't see in the walls and other hidden spaces. By extension, it means that if you see one of something - such as an employee stealing from the company - there are many more whom you don't see.

 

[lynne]

18 cases today in Oahu. They cannot blame it on out of state tourists.

Most likely not visitors, but traveling from the mainland is an issue with the spread
Hawai‘i County Civil Defense reported that two active cases remain on the Big Island as of Thursday morning, both of which are travel-related.

 

[Yellowfin]

Most likely not visitors, but traveling from the mainland is an issue with the spread
Hawai‘i County Civil Defense reported that two active cases remain on the Big Island as of Thursday morning, both of which are travel-related.

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The Hawaii Department of Health reported 18 new cases of COVID-19 today, all on Oahu. Fifteen of the cases are Hawaii residents; three others remain under investigation.

State Epidemiologist Sarah Park said most of the cases are the result of community spread and only a handful have been travel-related.

"This spike in cases and other recent spikes have been expected as people begin to move around more freely and more businesses are reopening," Park said in a news release."

Hawaii Updates:18 New Cases, 10 Test Positive At Hale Nani; 2nd Resident Arrested In Quarantine Case

Updated: 6/18/2020, 5:21 p.m.The Hawaii Department of Health reported 18 new cases of COVID-19 today, all on Oahu. Fifteen of the cases are Hawaii…

www.hawaiipublicradio.org

 

[slip]

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The Hawaii Department of Health reported 18 new cases of COVID-19 today, all on Oahu. Fifteen of the cases are Hawaii residents; three others remain under investigation.

State Epidemiologist Sarah Park said most of the cases are the result of community spread and only a handful have been travel-related.

"This spike in cases and other recent spikes have been expected as people begin to move around more freely and more businesses are reopening," Park said in a news release."

Hawaii Updates:18 New Cases, 10 Test Positive At Hale Nani; 2nd Resident Arrested In Quarantine Case

Updated: 6/18/2020, 5:21 p.m.The Hawaii Department of Health reported 18 new cases of COVID-19 today, all on Oahu. Fifteen of the cases are Hawaii…

www.hawaiipublicradio.org

But still, a hand full of 18 cases is still 28% that are travel related. It’s not as insignificant as “a hand full” seems to project.

 

[lynne]

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The Hawaii Department of Health reported 18 new cases of COVID-19 today, all on Oahu. Fifteen of the cases are Hawaii residents; three others remain under investigation.

State Epidemiologist Sarah Park said most of the cases are the result of community spread and only a handful have been travel-related.

"This spike in cases and other recent spikes have been expected as people begin to move around more freely and more businesses are reopening," Park said in a news release."

Hawaii Updates:18 New Cases, 10 Test Positive At Hale Nani; 2nd Resident Arrested In Quarantine Case

Updated: 6/18/2020, 5:21 p.m.The Hawaii Department of Health reported 18 new cases of COVID-19 today, all on Oahu. Fifteen of the cases are Hawaii…

www.hawaiipublicradio.org

Yes, 18 new cases on Oahu, the 2 cases on Hawai'i Island were from this week. Operative word 'active cases'

Oklahoma visitor dies of apparent drowning while breaking 14-day passenger quarantine | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

An Oklahoma visitor who apparently drowned Wednesday at Spitting Caves died 10 days into the 14-day mandatory self-quarantine that he was supposed to complete.

www.staradvertiser.com

 

[amy241]

Volunteer sleuths of Hawaii Quarantine Kapu Breakers track down state’s quarantine scofflaws | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

Former longtime television reporter Angela Keen knows how to track people down.

www.staradvertiser.com

 

[PigsDad]

Volunteer sleuths of Hawaii Quarantine Kapu Breakers track down state’s quarantine scofflaws | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

Former longtime television reporter Angela Keen knows how to track people down.

www.staradvertiser.com

Kurt

 

[lynne]

Interesting article:

How Hawaii Became a Rare Covid Success Story

The islands’ geography and small population helped. But so did two enterprising doctors who pushed for aggressive tracing and testing—and sometimes found themselves at odds.

www.politico.com

 

[csodjd]

Here is the Alaska travel information. The interesting part is the "minimize interactions" pending a second test after arrival. It is a bit vague what that means exactly. Also note that the State of Alaska has one set of rules and the City of Anchorage has slightly different rules, especially with what "minimize interactions" means.

Department of Health

The Alaska Department of Health offers free programs to lose weight or achieve a healthy weight, manage blood pressure and diabetes, and stop smoking or vaping.

covid19.alaska.gov

Department of Health

The Alaska Department of Health offers free programs to lose weight or achieve a healthy weight, manage blood pressure and diabetes, and stop smoking or vaping.

covid19.alaska.gov

Anchorage information:

COVID-19 Traveler Information | Visit Anchorage

Travel safety information and COVID-19 public health precautions for visitors to Anchorage, Alaska. Learn about the Healthy Anchorage Pledge, municipal mandates, and more.

www.anchorage.net

According to the STATE'S FAQ (not Anchorage), here is what "minimize interactions" means.

When a person has a negative test result, it provides value as a measure from a single point in time. That’s why travelers with a single test result do not have to go into quarantine.
However, that single test doesn’t account for possible exposure just before or after the test (for example, if you test before you travel, you could be exposed to another traveler who is carrying the virus).

Individuals are expected to get pre-tested, and with that negative test result they are asked to minimize their public interactions until they’ve received a second negative test result or 14 days have passed. Minimizing interactions does not mean quarantine, but you do need to take more precautions than the usual COVID safety advice.

When you buy food, eat in outdoor settings. Order delivery if possible. Wear a face covering if you go into public areas. Take part in outdoor recreation (such as fishing) instead of visiting a museum. Postpone attending gatherings until after this window is over.

If you have to be in an indoor space, such as taking a short flight or riding in a shuttle to get to your lodge or outdoor activity, then everyone involved should wash their hands thoroughly and wear a face mask.

In the City of Anchorage, in-restaurant dining is not allowed as part of minimizing interactions. You also cannot visit indoor entertainment venues, like theaters or museums.

 

[csodjd]

Just looking at the Alaska protocol, it seems the best approach is test 5 days or less before going, then again at the airport when you arrive. Assuming you get those results in a couple days, you are then free and don't have to "minimize interactions" at all, thereby removing any dine-in restrictions.

Of course, Hawaii lends itself much more to outdoor dining than Alaska I would assume. The "minimize interactions" in Hawaii would not be hard at all for most people, except possibly somewhat with the avoiding of group activities.

 

[JanT]

It's going to be interesting to see what they do. Honestly, I wish we had taken the plunge and gone for an extended stay, done the quarantine, and taken advantage of the quietness while we could. But didn't do it because we decided to put our house on the market and it takes a lot of outside upkeep to keep it looking good. So, I'm living vicariously through the few that have done it.

Say's we should expect an announcement from Governor Ige this week.

Gov. David Ige reportedly close to announcing testing protocol, loosened quarantine | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

Gov. David Ige’s administration is poised to adopt a COVID-19 testing protocol similar to one being used by Alaska, and is expected to announce as early as this week that at least some travelers will be allowed to bypass Hawaii’s two-week quarantine requirement this summer if they provide proof...

www.staradvertiser.com

 

[geist1223]

¿I guess Alaska and Hawaii are close? ¿Similar Travel Restrictions?

 

[csodjd]

¿I guess Alaska and Hawaii are close? ¿Similar Travel Restrictions?

? All we can go by is that the Governor appears to be looking at Alaska as an example.