[2008] Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

[Javier Ivan]

NEWS

Hello Everyone, I Hope Everything Is Ok.

Well, In These Days As I Told You, I Have Been Researching About This Situation. After Posting Some Pictures Of The Bulding I Went To The Agency That Gives The Permits (obras Públicas) And Everything Is Ok With The Paperwork Stuff They (belaire) Have All In Order, At The Moment.

Here Comes The Bad News. I Was Searching About Antonio Copela In The Web And I There Is An Antecedent From September 9 2009. This Note Was Published In Vallarta Opina (at This Moment I Still Was Studing My Carrer). I Will Resume You The Note

" There Were Two People Under Arrest, One Of Them Is Daniel Niño Chavarin (he Is Married With A Copela's Daughter) And He Participate In The Collection Of 120,000 Usd From A Extortion Made To José De Jesus Carranza (an Architec), It Is Supose That This Architec Failed On The Construction Of Two Condominiums That Was Planed To Be Rised On Albatros Street In Marina Vallarta". The Note Doesn't Mention The Name Proyect, But I Think That They Was Refering To Belaire. The Question Here Is, This Action Was Planed By Copela? I Can't Ensure That, But By The Testimonials That Many Members Talk About The Way How Copela Treated Them, It Is Possible.

I Talked With A Construction Agent From The Company That Was Working On The Building, They Were Doing The Parking Basement. And They Stopped Working About A Year 1/2 Ago, By The Lack Of Payment. The Company Later Was Aware Of The Tricky Way To Work Of Antonio Copela And The Engineer Clavel (they Start With Payment On Time, But As The Work Continous They Get Delayed, Until They Stop Paying), This Has Happened Several Times During The Construction, The Agent Told Me That This Wasn't The First Time That They Do This. This Is Like The 2nd Or 3rd Construction Company That Have Problems With Belaire.

At The Moment They Still Owe Money To The Construction Company And They Have A Lawsuit With Them. Demanding The Payment That Belaire Owes To Them.

Am Wating For A Phone Call Of The Person Who Is In Charge Of The Situation, Because This Company Have Their Headquarters In Mexico City. So Ill Be In Touch Soon.

I Haven't Published Anything Yet, Am Still Researching Trying To Get More Info. I'll Let You Know When Is Coming Out.

This Proyect Have Some Serius Problems, But I Belive That You Can Do Something To Get Back Your Money, Am Really Sorry About This, I Hope That Sooner This Ends With A Good Solution For All Of You. And I Am Really Impressed By The Lack Of Comunication Between The Company And Their Costumers, This Is Unacceptable.

Have A Good Day.

P.d. Sorry If I Miss Or Mix Some Words In My Writing.

 

[Javier Ivan]

Belaire News

Hi everyone, yesterday i received a phone call from Leonardo Menije, he is the legal representative of Belaire. We arrange an apointment for today at 10:00am in the Belaire Restaurant. i ask so many questions and he was kind and was willing to provide all the answers.

i spoke with him for an hour, i mentioned some of the cases that i have read. He explained some of the problems that they have gone during the construction, despite of the problems, he ensure me, that everything is gonna be alright. He told me that in three weeks there's going to be people working again ( they have had problems with some labor union) problems that they will let you know later.

You will have to be very patient, i saw the dates of construction and the end date for the construction of the first tower will be until 2012, they are in every order to offer you what you need while the construction is done.

i made emphasis on the lack of comunication with their costumers, and he really showed concerned about that. This area, comunication, is no the task of Leonardo Menije, but he told me that he is going to talk with the personal that is in charge of this.

trust me, he really was worried about everything that i mentioned. maybe this is a way to make them to put more attention on their business. from now on, they must be rearranging a lot of things. I'll be ware of what happens soon. and i will keep in touch.


Am sure that you still have doubts of this, but now it is turn of BELAIRE to give you an explanation.

Have a good day everyone. Till next time

 

[california-bighorn]

Right

Hi everyone, yesterday i received a phone call from Leonardo Menije, he is the legal representative of Belaire. We arrange an apointment for today at 10:00am in the Belaire Restaurant. i ask so many questions and he was kind and was willing to provide all the answers.

i spoke with him for an hour, i mentioned some of the cases that i have read. He explained some of the problems that they have gone during the construction, despite of the problems, he ensure me, that everything is gonna be alright. He told me that in three weeks there's going to be people working again ( they have had problems with some labor union) problems that they will let you know later.

You will have to be very patient, i saw the dates of construction and the end date for the construction of the first tower will be until 2012, they are in every order to offer you what you need while the construction is done.

i made emphasis on the lack of comunication with their costumers, and he really showed concerned about that. This area, comunication, is no the task of Leonardo Menije, but he told me that he is going to talk with the personal that is in charge of this.

trust me, he really was worried about everything that i mentioned. maybe this is a way to make them to put more attention on their business. from now on, they must be rearranging a lot of things. I'll be ware of what happens soon. and i will keep in touch.


Am sure that you still have doubts of this, but now it is turn of BELAIRE to give you an explanation.

Have a good day everyone. Till next time

I'll bet a lot of people are wondering the same thing so I'll ask the question, does anyone take this seriously?

 

[TimeShare Junky]

I'll bet a lot of people are wondering the same thing so I'll ask the question, does anyone take this seriously?

Good point, especially that Miramar was a big lie. How do construction delays affect that sell ?

Here you have a con that has ripped off consumers and the construction companies, and the owner of Belaire would like to explain another lie so he can sqeeze every nickle out of his victims.

 

[needavacation]

???

Has anyone noticed how drastically different Javier's two messages are? Notice the grammar and use of caps. These messages are obviously written by different people. I would guess that the Belaire employees take turns blogging.

I was taken in 2007 so I check into this mess every now and then.

 

[scgmexico]

They Are Fake Starting From The Name!!

HI EVERY ONE,

THIS CONSTRUCTION COMPANY IN NUEVO VALLARTA IS A COMPLETE FRAUD!! STARTING FROM THE NAME

THEY TOOK THE NAME OF "BELAIRE", AND THIS NAME THAT DOESN´T BELONG TO THEM, THEY DON´T HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THAT NAME.

THEY ARE TARNISHING THE NAME OF A REAL HOTEL CHAIN THAS IS NOT RALEATED IN ANY SENSE WITH THIS FRAUD, AND THIS IS NOT FAIR, THE REAL BELAIR IS A SMALL AND CUTE BOUTIQUE HOTEL IN CANCUN (www.belaircollection.com) AND I REPEAT THERE IS NOT RELATION WITH THIS FRAUDULENT AND DISHONEST COMPANY.

THE HOTEL IN CANCUN HAS PROPERLY REGISTERED, YEARS AGO, THE NAME IN THE "IMPI" (INSTITUTO MEXICANO DE LA PROPIEDAD INDUSTRIAL).

IT IS A SHAME, BUT THIS CONSTRUCTION COMPANY IS GOING AGAINST THE LAW IN MANY WAYS.

I HOPE THE LAW CAN DO SOMETHING TO FINISH WITH THIS COMPLETE FRAUD.

 

[Archie583]

Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

I arrived home from Mexico May 1, 2010. Since then I check the Belaire web site every day with the cameras they have installed and look for possible construction that is going on. I haven't seen one single day of construction since May 1. It looks like this project is dead in the water and the possabilty of completion may never occur. I hope I am wrong in my observations and if anybody has any additional information please share it with me and other TUG members.
Thank you in advance for any help in this matter.

 

[Snappy Sam]

Same old, Same old Belaire

Just returned from 3 weeks in PV with a stop by the Belaire. Apparently some things will never change. They continue to have plenty of guys on the street offering as much as 6500 Pesos for a visit. On the one day we stopped by just to see if anything was going on, there were two workers on site. We couldn't get in the front door without an invitation to even look around.
We talked to a couple who did go to a breakfast while we were there and it sounds like the hard sell is not as bad as in previous months. Fortunately they didn't buy which was a relief to hear.
For those of you like us who were told that they would be "moving the airport" so there would be no noise, its particularly amusing to fly almost directly over the Belaire on the wasy out of PV.
Time for us to once again say thank you for all who kept us out of deep financial trouble by sharing news on TUG!

 

[hobyhaus]

Belaire newsletter

As a purchaser,or patsy, as we later learned, of Belaire I want to add my comments. Just this week we received a newsletter from the "Belaire Family". In the letter some members are admonished for having unhealthy negative feelings and spreading lies and grief on the internet. The developers blame the economy for all their problems, but "better days are coming." They go on to say that there,"are reasons that the resort is not finished and that all will be explained in time." The buyers are to, "stand strong in the faith." Well, I do not know about others who purchased, but our faith is weakening every day.

We were saddened to learn that they are still selling units. We, for all practical purposes feel only with a miracle, have lost out on this dream. We hope others will read this and have second thoughts about purchasing.

 

[TimeShare Junky]

Have you ever built with no money, apparently they are a ton short. Secondly, would you ever sell a house with no money to build it. Belaire's response is a joke and the Mexican government should be stopping them.

As a purchaser,or patsy, as we later learned, of Belaire I want to add my comments. Just this week we received a newsletter from the "Belaire Family". In the letter some members are admonished for having unhealthy negative feelings and spreading lies and grief on the internet. The developers blame the economy for all their problems, but "better days are coming." They go on to say that there,"are reasons that the resort is not finished and that all will be explained in time." The buyers are to, "stand strong in the faith." Well, I do not know about others who purchased, but our faith is weakening every day.

We were saddened to learn that they are still selling units. We, for all practical purposes feel only with a miracle, have lost out on this dream. We hope others will read this and have second thoughts about purchasing.

 

[hobyhaus]

Latest News on Belaire

Check out the website for Belaire. Gone are the camera sites. Now, we are really do not know what the progress is and that is maybe how the "Belaire Family" wants us to be, in the dark. Obviously, nothing is happening with the building. Opening in November, they must really be kidding.

 

[judy23]

I called there and they answered with a different name. I asked the girl if they changed names and she said yes. Best I could understand it is now "U". That is what she said, and Antonio is still there.

 

[judy23]

I received an email fro csr svc. The new official name is "U Vallarta"

 

[TimeShare Junky]

How about this, "U" rip me off.

 

[PamF]

Belaire taken over? Anyone receive a call from an attorney?

Has anyone who is a fractional Belaire owner received a call from an attorney in Mexico who looking to buy back Belaire shares?

 

[teesamarie]

Belaire Golf and Spa

Today I receive at phone call from an attorney claiming to represent Belaire only the name has changed to Ur. He is offering me $63,000.00 for my time share, but wants 2,300.00 first to do the paper work. Has anyone else received anything like this. Is this just another scam?

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

Today I receive at phone call from an attorney claiming to represent Belaire only the name has changed to Ur. He is offering me $63,000.00 for my time share, but wants 2,300.00 first to do the paper work. Has anyone else received anything like this. Is this just another scam?

This is almost assuredly a scam. He will take the $2300 then all you will hear from him is a litany of excuses for why the deal hasn't yet closed. After a bit he will stop responding to you at all.

Here's an easy test - tell him that you will sell it to him for $50,000 if he pays for the paperwork cost himself. He can then turn around and sell it to Belaire himself for $63,000, clearing more than $12,000 in pure profit.

Res assured that he will give you a bunch of reasons why that won't work. But take a step back and realize that there isn't a reason in the world why any legitimate business person would turn down that offer. If he protests that it's a conflict, tell him that he can sell it to Belaire for $60,000 instead of $63,000, saving his client money and enabling himself to make money. There's no conflict if he scores a better deal for his client than what his client would have paid anyway.

But you can be assured that as soon as he realizes that you are not giving him money he can abscond with, he will be gone. And you will have saved yourself $2300.

 

[jeanbean]

BelAire -U (New Name)

Another "scam". How many of us will give them another bite of the apple?
Won't this ever end? We rec'd the same call - don't fall victim again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[steve-bushman]

hi,
i am new to tug and joined just now. my husband and i purchased at belaire in january of 2007. we have been back there twice and checked out the lack of construction. i have gotten the welcoming newsletter from "U". i received a call from an attorney from las vegas at vacation management co. this company was hired by "U" to take care of the buy backs & rentals. this is no different than belaire promising us to rent our weeks back when we purchsed. i was thinking that this might be on the up and up as i know that there is between a 10%-20% fee to change all of the contracts to a new owner.(i have been through this before and had to use an agency and pay them about 10% of the purchase price to take care of all of this. i did not have to wire the money to an escrow account though) i am not sure if there are different ways to do this. does anyone know how to get in touch with the prefeco or whatever it is to see if this is true that they are making "U" honor the buy back clause in our contract. the laywer told me that that was a condition of the takeover. if it is indeed true then i will take the chance, as right now, i have nothing! according to the attorney-i have talked with him several times-"U" owns the casino over at the liverpool mall as well as in monterey and mexico city. they are planning to put one under the first tower at belaire! according to him, 2 towers will be right wehere they were planned, but "U" is planning to put 3 more towers across the street-with much smaller rooms. he also told me there are 1200 contracts that he is dealing with and that belaire apparently oversold. i will be going to puerto vallarta in november and hopefully will see some construction. thanksd for reading

 

[pianodinosaur]

This is almost assuredly a scam. He will take the $2300 then all you will hear from him is a litany of excuses for why the deal hasn't yet closed. After a bit he will stop responding to you at all.

Here's an easy test - tell him that you will sell it to him for $50,000 if he pays for the paperwork cost himself. He can then turn around and sell it to Belaire himself for $63,000, clearing more than $12,000 in pure profit.

Res assured that he will give you a bunch of reasons why that won't work. But take a step back and realize that there isn't a reason in the world why any legitimate business person would turn down that offer. If he protests that it's a conflict, tell him that he can sell it to Belaire for $60,000 instead of $63,000, saving his client money and enabling himself to make money. There's no conflict if he scores a better deal for his client than what his client would have paid anyway.

But you can be assured that as soon as he realizes that you are not giving him money he can abscond with, he will be gone. And you will have saved yourself $2300.

The CaveMan is absolutely correct. TugBrian has posted several articles about timeshare resale scams that require money upfront. Check them out under Buying and Selling. There are even links to videos featuring TugBrian.

 

[Karen G]

does anyone know how to get in touch with the prefeco or whatever it is to see if this is true that they are making "U" honor the buy back clause in our contract.

Here's info about Profeco. There is contact information on the page. As others have warned, this really sounds like another scam. Paying upfront money for anything that has do with Belaire seems like a very bad idea.

 

[hobyhaus]

Belaire or U Hotel

Everyone who owns at Belaire needs to check out Redweek.com. This whole project is crazy from the start to finish whenever that will be. We are sorry we ever got involved.

 

[PamF]

More information about what to search at redweek.com would be helpful.

There is nothing listed for Belaire on that site.

 

[Archie583]

Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

Go to Redweek.com on the right side of the page click or search forums, when it comes up type iin Belaire Golf Resort and Spa and click on go. You will find quite a bit of information on Belaire.
Henry

 

[PamF]

Ahhhh, didn't realize to search the 'forums'. Thanks!