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[2008] Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

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Just got back feb 24th went to Belaire twice no one was working, couldn't find anyone to talk to except the Guard at the gate.
the building has Glass all the way around the first floor,nothing being done.
have picture but unclear how to post.
 

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If anybody wants to talk to somebody at Belaire it is best to call and make an appointment. Not a lot of management people around during the day.

Henry
 

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Gone Fishing ???

Well, the Belaire website showed a banner indicating the first tower was SOLD OUT. Some fill around the base, glass, three more floors of steel frame. No elevator shaft, the rest of the 9 storey tower not done--then nothing for a couple of weeks. The webcam now looks like a steady picture. Maybe they just took a vacation.:zzz:
 

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The customer service dept says they are working inside. Don't know what to believe.
 

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The Belaire has got to be one of the slowest construction projects on record. The Empire State Bldg. was built in 1930 in one year and 45 days. How long have they been working on the Belaire??
 

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We drove by the resort and asked if we could see it and a person showed it to us. He told us that he was the Concierge but I knew better. ;) I took this picture from upstairs.

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It could have been better but the sun was so bright that I had a hard time seeing what I was taking but all the stories are there. :eek: We also took pictures inside as we know someone who has bought here. The model is very nice. Antonio said that the tower will be open before the end of the year. I believe that he said November. I don't see that happen.

There was no crew working outside or we didn't see them while it was the middle of the day and the sales people were through already with touring too. If you want to see it, you better make an appointment.

I wanted to see the Castle and Condos project too which has a new sign now. It is called the Mondavi and we saw people there but could not see it. That building looks very nice and the view from there is spectacular. It is close to the Ocho Cascadas as we went by there too. They have a for sale sign on their property.
 

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January 23, 2010. The crane is working today and they are putting up more steel. The work site has been idle for weeks but today they have begun putting up more steel. Check out the web site and use camera 2.
 

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where are the elevator shafts for this building :eek:
I suspect that the last thing many owners want from BelAir is more shafts. :ignore:
 

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As you can see, not much has gone on for awhile. Where are the emerrgency exit steps ? What about Maramar ?
 
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I have much to say about this place. Rather than rewrite the message again I posted what I learned on Redweek.com and you can access it there. We did meet one couple that Antonio put them up in the resort next door and gave them everything, they said, that he promised. They stayed 13 weeks and she told me it was all covered. They had not left so I am not sure if the whole thing she told me was true. I see that construction started again and stopped again. I wonder which November Antonio is referring to when he says that it will be finished in November. I loved the newsletter. It shows beautiful young dancing ladies doing their thing. What does that have to do with the construction of Belaire. They whole situation is sad. We are sorry we ever got involved and hope others can get out without being hurt too much with their wallet.
 

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I have been in Puerto Vallarta since January 23 and I am going home on May 1 2010. Progress has been very slow and many times no work is being done at all.
If tower 1 is to be done in November as they say I will be the most surprised person in the world.
The rainy season will be upon us in a few months and that can only slow work so I have little hope that the work will be completed.
This whole project is a very sad situation.
 

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Belaire Vacation Club -- Transfer Fees

I "traded in" Grupo Mayan and Diamond Resorts timeshares to purchase at Belaire and was originally told by the sales manager, Richard, that Belaire would pay for the transfer fees to change the ownership from my name to theirs. Now, several months later, their Loan Verification Officer, Laura, has advised me that I need to pay the transfer fees of $1750 and $525.

Please advise whether Belaire or you paid for your transfer fees.

Thank you.
 

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Don't pay

I "traded in" Grupo Mayan and Diamond Resorts timeshares to purchase at Belaire and was originally told by the sales manager, Richard, that Belaire would pay for the transfer fees to change the ownership from my name to theirs. Now, several months later, their Loan Verification Officer, Laura, has advised me that I need to pay the transfer fees of $1750 and $525.

Please advise whether Belaire or you paid for your transfer fees.

Thank you.

What does the contract say in writing? Anyway, from what I've read about this place and what I saw while in PV, if it were me, I'd not pay the transfer fees and keep my other two weeks. Contact Mayan and Diamond to see if Belair even attempted to transfer the resorts out of your name. With everything going on at Belair, I don't think they would have much of a legal argument about anything. Just my opinion....
 

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I "traded in" Grupo Mayan and Diamond Resorts timeshares to purchase at Belaire and was originally told by the sales manager, Richard, that Belaire would pay for the transfer fees to change the ownership from my name to theirs. Now, several months later, their Loan Verification Officer, Laura, has advised me that I need to pay the transfer fees of $1750 and $525.

Please advise whether Belaire or you paid for your transfer fees.

Thank you.

:eek: Grupo Mayan and Diamond Resorts are well established entities with numerous fine resorts. I think you may have been swindled by Belaire.
 

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I have much to say about this place. Rather than rewrite the message again I posted what I learned on Redweek.com and you can access it there.

HI Hobyhaus,
Can you please post the URL web link to the page on Redweek.com? I searched for your post there but could not find it.

Thanks
 

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HI EVERYONE, MY NAME IS JAVIER MACHAIN I AM A NEWS REPORTER, I WORK IN VALLARTAOPINA NEWSPAPER (www.vallartaopina.net) OR (www.vallartatoday.com).

I'VE BEEN RESEARCHING ABOUT THIS PROBLEM IN THE WEB, AND I HAVE REALIZED THAT THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WORRIED ABOUT THIS.

I WANT TO HELP YOU, SOMEBODY TOLD ME THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A MEETING IN A HOTEL CALLED "CASA CORAZON" ON MAY 20.

DOES SOMEONE HERE IS AWARE OF THAT MEETING? I WANNA KNOW MORE DETAILS. IF SOMEONE KNOW SOMETHING PLEASE TELL ME.

I WILL BE IN TOUCH IN A FEW DAYS AGAIN, IF ANYONE WANT TO MAIL ME SOMETHING, DO IT, I'LL BE AT YOUR SERVICE AT: javiermachain@gmail.com

I AM COLLECTING SOME TESTIMONIALS TO BE PUBLISHED. CONTACT ME FOR SOME QUESTIONS.

AND FOR THOSE WHO HASN'T BEEN IN VALLARTA FOR A WHILE, YESTERDAY I TOOK SOME PICS OF THE BUILDING, , HERE I LEFT THIS. JUST GO IN THE LINK BELOW

pictures of the building taken on wednesday may 12 2010
 

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I was trying to link to your post and put it here but there was no way to link that post from RedWeek. I am glad you found us here and posted updated pictures. :)

We do not own at this resort but went to see it a few months ago and I posted some pictures (post #656) too. It doesn't look like much has been done since then.

We did a tour at the Grand Mayan and I mentioned this resort. The salesman told us something that I didn't know so may be you can find this out at the meeting. If this is true then people don't need to worry so much about getting their money back.

I asked a real estate person recently if this is true and he told me that this is common practice in Mexico. Before a timeshare or any other developer can get any permits to build a resort or project, they have to place a bond for the amount to construct the whole project. In other words, the money is there right from the start. This is in case they do not finish the project or run away with the money. This should be good news for anyone who bought there unless the developer sold more contracts then there is time for but I doubt that.

If I were a buyer here, I would contact Profeco and ask for the money back because it isn't going to be ready this year either unless they have miracle workers starting to complete the project. The model unit looks nice but it so close to the airport and not even in close walking distance of the beach or the shops and restaurants in the marina. It doesn't have a resort feeling to me but it is far from finished yet.

I remember them showing us many extra perks that come with the purchase but will it always be free as long as the contract is good for? The other companies can go out of business and what will replace the same perks free of charge after that? A lot of timeshare resorts offer perks but not many are completely free unless you pay a lot of money for the contract. I really don't know much detail about the prices or what came with the contract because we didn't take a tour.

Can you find out if a bond was placed and that people are protected and will get their money back in case the project doesn't get completed or the developer runs away with the money. I hope that the buyers are protected but I would try to be one of the first ones on the list to get all the money back. You can always buy again when the resort is completed but there are so many other options too.

There is also the American Consulate in the Paradise Village Mall where you can ask what to do and their web page has some good referral links. They have been helpful to us in the past but their hours are short.
 

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Gregs link worked for us.

Bruce:D

I was trying to link to your post and put it here but there was no way to link that post from RedWeek. I am glad you found us here and posted updated pictures. :)

We do not own at this resort but went to see it a few months ago and I posted some pictures (post #656) too. It doesn't look like much has been done since then.

We did a tour at the Grand Mayan and I mentioned this resort. The salesman told us something that I didn't know so may be you can find this out at the meeting. If this is true then people don't need to worry so much about getting their money back.

I asked a real estate person recently if this is true and he told me that this is common practice in Mexico. Before a timeshare or any other developer can get any permits to build a resort or project, they have to place a bond for the amount to construct the whole project. In other words, the money is there right from the start. This is in case they do not finish the project or run away with the money. This should be good news for anyone who bought there unless the developer sold more contracts then there is time for but I doubt that.

If I were a buyer here, I would contact Profeco and ask for the money back because it isn't going to be ready this year either unless they have miracle workers starting to complete the project. The model unit looks nice but it so close to the airport and not even in close walking distance of the beach or the shops and restaurants in the marina. It doesn't have a resort feeling to me but it is far from finished yet.

I remember them showing us many extra perks that come with the purchase but will it always be free as long as the contract is good for? The other companies can go out of business and what will replace the same perks free of charge after that? A lot of timeshare resorts offer perks but not many are completely free unless you pay a lot of money for the contract. I really don't know much detail about the prices or what came with the contract because we didn't take a tour.

Can you find out if a bond was placed and that people are protected and will get their money back in case the project doesn't get completed or the developer runs away with the money. I hope that the buyers are protected but I would try to be one of the first ones on the list to get all the money back. You can always buy again when the resort is completed but there are so many other options too.

There is also the American Consulate in the Paradise Village Mall where you can ask what to do and their web page has some good referral links. They have been helpful to us in the past but their hours are short.
 

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Bruce, I was trying to link to the message that hobihaus had posted but couldn't find it. I found Javier's post instead and wanted to bring it over here with a link but didn't know how to link a single post. I find their forum format very cumbersome to read so do not bother.

Javier came to this forum by himself and also showed new pictures. The more we can find out through each other the better it is for everyone, who bought there, and is wondering what is going on since we live so far away.

I hope that he will keep us up to date of the meeting he mentioned in his post that will take place on May 20.
 

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I have asked for some inf. at the hotel, an employee told me that they still don't know about this meeting, they were going to investigate. So, I'll be waiting for some news in the next few days.
 

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HI Hobyhaus,
Can you please post the URL web link to the page on Redweek.com? I searched for your post there but could not find it.

Thanks
Sorry, but when it comes to computers I need serious help. My notes are under wallace J. March 14th. page 5.
 

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My notes are under wallace J. March 14th. page 5.
His remarks are the seventh post down at this link. Posters are identified over to the right of the posts with a little symbol and their name.
 

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I think the statement of considerable work done is Bogus. I have been watching the camera's and there has been jack done for a while. Come on' where are the elevators in this design. Remember "do not buy" or you will get will learn on of life's lessons.

Owner since 2006, four years and no usage. Miramar was also a scam so you would buy.

Sounds like he has a profitable new resturant and an internet cafe at the expense of the owners he took from.
 
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