You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[Carolinian]

Buying an electric car was my most stupid decision – I've gone back to petrol

EXCLUSIVE: Wheeler Dealers star Mike Brewer has opened up about his experience of buying and owning electric vehicles.

www.express.co.uk

 

[buzglyd]

That’s why I went with Tesla because the charging network was not just an afterthought.

I finally got my 10-30 adapter from Tesla and had my electrician neighbor inspect and invert my receptacle so the cord hangs down. Getting to 80% between midnight and 6 is no problem.

 

[Brett]

That’s why I went with Tesla because the charging network was not just an afterthought.

I finally got my 10-30 adapter from Tesla and had my electrician neighbor inspect and invert my receptacle so the cord hangs down. Getting to 80% between midnight and 6 is no problem.

I'd like to test drive the BYD Seagull and the self-driving technology "God's Eye" but unfortunately it's not available in the US
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We Drove The BYD Seagull - Here's Why This $10K EV Is Dominating Everywhere (except in the U.S.)​

 

[TUGBrian]

wifes company making them go back to work next month, found her another used leaf for peanuts and this one had an upgraded battery replacement from nissan directly a few years ago nearly doubling the range from stock!

even she is a convert for a daily commuter vehicle needing no gas, or maint! itll pay for itself in under 2 years even including insurance costs!


the downside of course is that the leaf uses the ancient CHADEMO dc charging port so there are almost no options to fast charge anywhere at public stations thus limiting its use to someone who can only realistically charge at home using the built in AC charger. but for those who can it just cant be beat!

 

[TUGBrian]

My charging saga continues. As we discussed, it's not practical or cost effective to put a 50 amp breaker in my mid-80s condo. 30 amp will be fine but my dryer plug is a 10-30 rather than a 14-30. That's a difference (according to Grok) of about 11-12 miles added per hour to 22 miles added per hour because Tesla limits the draw on a 10-30 due to a lack of ground. I'm going to pull the outlet tomorrow and pray there is an unused ground in there and hopefully go 14-30.

wont this work?

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im pretty sure if your 240v dryer outlet is on a 30a circuit, you arent going to be able to squeeze more than 24amps out of it regardless of the type of plug you use.

 

[buzglyd]

wont this work?

NEMA 10-30 Smart Splitter - EV/Dryer

The NeoCharge NEMA 10-30 Smart Splitter allows you to share your 240V dryer and EV charger on one outlet for faster and easier home EV charging access. Save money by avoiding electric panel upgrades and trusted by 10,000+ EV drivers for Level 2 Home EV Charging installation. Utility rebates...

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im pretty sure if your 240v dryer outlet is on a 30a circuit, you arent going to be able to squeeze more than 24amps out of it regardless of the type of plug you use.

No need for a splitter. My dryer is gas. I didn’t realize Tesla sold additional adapters and thought I needed to install a 50 amp but I was just able to use the existing 30 once I ordered the correct adapter.

 

[TUGBrian]

yep, lots of chat on how tesla got UL certification on the 10-30 adapter without having a dedicated ground, but it appears that as long as your 10-30 outlet is its own circuit in your main panel, the neutral would be effectively a ground and itll work fine.

the issues (from reading of course, I am in no way shape or form an electrician) is if that 10-30 outlet is NOT on its own circuit or shares that circuit with other plugs and that could pose a risk of not being grounded. but the telsa charger apparently tests for ground before it initializes so im guessing if that is the case in your home, it wont start charging.

 

[TUGBrian]

guess the most recent "ev is bad" issue of the month are that the "normal" 220v outlets arent designed to run for hours and hours at max loads and can overheat/catch fire/etc.

while i guess there is some truth to that, I have a hard time believing the plug is perfectly safe in tens of millions of homes to run a dryer for hours on end.... but not an ev charger?

i think perhaps this may be more targeted at the 40-50-60amp plugs pulling huge loads than most peoples normal dryer outlets....but again im not an electrician.

 

[buzglyd]

guess the most recent "ev is bad" issue of the month are that the "normal" 220v outlets arent designed to run for hours and hours at max loads and can overheat/catch fire/etc.

while i guess there is some truth to that, I have a hard time believing the plug is perfectly safe in tens of millions of homes to run a dryer for hours on end.... but not an ev charger?

i think perhaps this may be more targeted at the 40-50-60amp plugs pulling huge loads than most peoples normal dryer outlets....but again im not an electrician.

I did have an electrician tell me a customer manually alter his charging above the 80% draw (24 amps on a 30 amp breaker) and it did start smoking but that’s user error not the car’s fault.

 

[youppi]

That’s why I went with Tesla because the charging network was not just an afterthought.

I finally got my 10-30 adapter from Tesla and had my electrician neighbor inspect and invert my receptacle so the cord hangs down. Getting to 80% between midnight and 6 is no problem.

Did you order the 10-30 adapter after you saw my post ?

 

[Carolinian]

One of the points made by the star of Wheeler Dealers was the rapid depreciation of the value of both his Mercedes and then Porsche EV's.

Wheeler Dealers is a popular British TV show, where they buy a dilapidated classic car, restore it and sell it, always at a profit. They go through all the work that is done, parts located, etc. I have seen current episodes once or twice in the UK, but mostly watched reruns on an English language sattelite channel in eastern Europe.

 

[DrQ]

One of the points made by the star of Wheeler Dealers was the rapid depreciation of the value of both his Mercedes and then Porsche

Uh... Luxury brands value always plummet - that's a given. I would ONLY lease these brands.

 

[buzglyd]

Did you order the 10-30 adapter after you saw my post ?

No I had ordered it prior to that. Took me awhile to realize Tesla sold several different adapters.

 

[Carolinian]

Nearly one-third of EV charging attempts fail, report finds

A newly released report by ChargerHelp! shows that while 64% of Americans now live within two miles of an electric vehicle charging station, nearly

www.freightwaves.com

 

[HitchHiker71]

Nearly one-third of EV charging attempts fail, report finds

A newly released report by ChargerHelp! shows that while 64% of Americans now live within two miles of an electric vehicle charging station, nearly

www.freightwaves.com

Not with Tesla though, as the article itself clearly states (excerpted below for direct reference):

“Unlike Tesla’s vertically integrated system, most charging infrastructure involves multiple companies developing separate software components for vehicles, hardware, charge management systems, payment processing and connectors. This fragmentation creates interoperability challenges that directly impact consumers.”


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[buzglyd]

Not with Tesla though, as the article itself clearly states (excerpted below for direct reference):

“Unlike Tesla’s vertically integrated system, most charging infrastructure involves multiple companies developing separate software components for vehicles, hardware, charge management systems, payment processing and connectors. This fragmentation creates interoperability challenges that directly impact consumers.”


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That is specifically why I bought the Tesla. I had a pug in Hybrid for a couple of years and the charging networks are a nightmare.

 

[Brett]

That is specifically why I bought the Tesla. I had a pug in Hybrid for a couple of years and the charging networks are a nightmare.

But in China ............

https://www.newsweek.com/china-electric-vehicle-network-2119225

 

[Greg G]

That is specifically why I bought the Tesla. I had a pug in Hybrid for a couple of years and the charging networks are a nightmare.

The use case for a Plug In Hybrid is you typically recharge it at home overnight (Level 1) and use it for normal daily/commute driving where the EV range is sufficient to cover that. Current Toyota Plugin Hybrids are spec'd at 42 miles EV range which per my understanding (although i could be wrong) was chosen as it was at least enough to cover the Average daily commute/driving in the US per day. Any trips longer than that you use it as a normal hybrid and don't need to worry about charging infrastructure. Possibly your use case didn't fit the use case for a Plug In Hybrid or the range of the Plug in Hybrid you had.

 

[buzglyd]

The use case for a Plug In Hybrid is you typically recharge it at home overnight (Level 1) and use it for normal daily/commute driving where the EV range is sufficient to cover that. Current Toyota Plugin Hybrids are spec'd at 42 miles EV range which per my understanding (although i could be wrong) was chosen as it was at least enough to cover the Average daily commute/driving in the US per day. Any trips longer than that you use it as a normal hybrid and don't need to worry about charging infrastructure. Possibly your use case didn't fit the use case for a Plug In Hybrid or the range of the Plug in Hybrid you had.

I understand that but I wanted to try the various charging networks to educate myself about the convenience of having a full electric. I also had a Mercedes electric rental in Houston and learned Level 2 is way too slow if it's not at your hotel and when you go to the Level 3 stations there is always a line. I'm comfortable enough with Tesla's network to take a road trip in the car. I would never do that with a random electric, too many unknowns.

 

[Carolinian]

I'd like to test drive the BYD Seagull and the self-driving technology "God's Eye" but unfortunately it's not available in the US
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We Drove The BYD Seagull - Here's Why This $10K EV Is Dominating Everywhere (except in the U.S.)​

The Chinese believe in merchantilism. They undercut competitors until they wipe out competition, then raise prices. It is not surprising that they would do this with EV's, too. They have done it with other things. But having a viable motor industry is also tied to having a viable defense industry, so the risks here are more than economic.

 

[easyrider]

I saw that the New Tesla model Y is coming out on October 7th. It's a bit different and maybe $20,000 less than the previous model Y is what it looks like. I'm not sure about the financing options but I bet it's going to be good.

Bill

 

[buzglyd]

I saw that the New Tesla model Y is coming out on October 7th. It's a bit different and maybe $20,000 less than the previous model Y is what it looks like. I'm not sure about the financing options but I bet it's going to be good.

Bill

The new model Y has been out for a while. It was refreshed for the 2025 model year.

 

[easyrider]

The new model Y has been out for a while. It was refreshed for the 2025 model year.

I'm thinking the model Y I saw is a cheaper version made for the loss of the incentives.

Bill

https://www.cars.com/articles/cheaper-tesla-model-y-expected-to-debut-oct-7-516876/

 

[TUGBrian]

Nearly one-third of EV charging attempts fail, report finds

A newly released report by ChargerHelp! shows that while 64% of Americans now live within two miles of an electric vehicle charging station, nearly

www.freightwaves.com

thats a wild claim, my experience with public charging has been extremely limited (less than a dozen times) but its worked every time. that said I always tend to verify the status of a charger via google maps and plugshare before I bother to navigate to it for a charge.

id be pretty shocked (ha, see what I did there) if 1 out of every 3 people were pulling into ev chargers and not being able to charge. does that mean they couldnt charge at all, or just that particular charger they pulled up to wasnt working and instead they just plugged into an adjacent one? those are two very different things!

Also doesnt indicate if they include people who pull into the wrong type of charger, or dont have an account for the charger they pull up to and simply expect to just use a credit card to pay and go?

I mean I see little yellow bags over gas pump handles all the time, I wouldnt categorize that as "not being able to fill up" when I could simply pull up to another pump.

 

[Brett]

The Chinese believe in merchantilism. They undercut competitors until they wipe out competition, then raise prices. It is not surprising that they would do this with EV's, too. They have done it with other things. But having a viable motor industry is also tied to having a viable defense industry, so the risks here are more than economic.

Henry Ford believed in "merchantilism" - (and he had an electric car)

Fortunately we don't have those cheap Chinese EV's !!

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/07/cars/china-evs-global-intl-hnk