You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[DrQ]

aha !!! Many people have a gas can in their garage. lol.

Bill

And some people have solar panels with batteries too. I'd rather charge my car off solar than put year(s?) old stale gas in my expensive automobile.

And you, the one concerned about fire hazards, storing gasoline and propane in the garage are high risk.

 

[Ken555]

aha !!! Many people have a gas can in their garage. lol.

Bill

Really? I don't know anyone who has a gas can in their garage.

 

[Elan]

Really? I don't know anyone who has a gas can in their garage.

Almost anyone that does their own yardwork will likely have a gas can in their garage. I have an EGO electric mower, blower and string trimmer, but my pressure washer is gas. I would venture that at least 80% of my subdivision has a gas can in their garage.

 

[Ken555]

Almost anyone that does their own yardwork will likely have a gas can in their garage. I have an EGO electric mower, blower and string trimmer, but my pressure washer is gas. I would venture that at least 80% of my subdivision has a gas can in their garage.

I’m sure many have them. I just don't know anyone who does. My neighbors don't have equipment like that… they have gardeners who do.

 

[Elan]

I’m sure many have them. I just don't know anyone who does. My neighbors don't have equipment like that… they have gardeners who do.

Yeah, maybe some day when I can't do it anymore. But hired help doesn't quite meet my quality expectations when it comes to yard work.

 

[Ken555]

Yeah, maybe some day when I can't do it anymore. But hired help doesn't quite meet my quality expectations when it comes to yard work.

Regardless, this explains why I don't know anyone personally who has a gas can in their garage.

 

[Elan]

Regardless, this explains why I don't know anyone personally who has a gas can in their garage.

Thanks for letting everyone know

 

[Ken555]

Thanks for letting everyone know

And thanks for telling everyone about your yard work and anticipation of hiring someone to do it for you in the future.

/sigh

 

[easyrider]

Really? I don't know anyone who has a gas can in their garage.

Actually, since Californians can't buy new gas operated tools anymore it kind of makes sense that you don't personally know anyone with a gas can in their garage. I keep a couple of large gas cans in the shop and a couple in the shed mostly for the lawn tractor and toys.

Bill

 

[Rjbeach2003]

I wonder what EV owners do while charging their EV in cold weather. From what I see , most EV chargers are out in the open and most gas stations have a canopy over the gas pump. From what I have read, it takes longer to charge an EV than to fill a gas tank and also the charging time increases in the cold because the chemical reaction in the battery is impacted by the cold temps.

If it's a cold & crappy day, with a little moisture and wind, charging an EV outdoors for 30 minutes seem like 25 minutes more than filling up my SUV.

Bill

I guess you might decide to stand outside in the cold watching the charging. I prefer to get in the warm car, listen to music or a podcast or read a book. My son who has a Tesla will watch a movie or TV show on Netflix. Oh what an awful experience. The time spent outside the car hooking up, then unhooking is less than the 5 minutes you spend outside pumping gas. Besides most EV owners eventually install home chargers and hook up at night and unhook in the morning, generally in their garage. It's awful.

 

[easyrider]

It's awful.

I agree, lol. Especially if you don't already have the proper app to pay.

Bill

 

[CalGalTraveler]

We are considering buying a second longer range EV or hybrid to replace an aging ICE vehicle that has become unreliable..

Now that there is inventory and deals we are thinking of leasing before tariffs hit and EV credits are eliminated

Has anyone evaluated the Honda Prologue? Any other brands to research? We want > 250 range because our current EV has only 130 range which makes it an around town vehicle.

 

[Ken555]

We are considering buying a second longer range EV or hybrid to replace an aging ICE vehicle that has become unreliable..

Now that there is inventory and deals we are thinking of leasing before tariffs hit and EV credits are eliminated

Has anyone evaluated the Honda Prologue? Any other brands to research? We want > 250 range because our current EV has only 130 range which makes it an around town vehicle.

You may want to also consider a used EV. The market is currently very soft, and you will find lots of reasonable deals, even for a long-range model.

 

[emeryjre]

We are considering buying a second longer range EV or hybrid to replace an aging ICE vehicle that has become unreliable..

Now that there is inventory and deals we are thinking of leasing before tariffs hit and EV credits are eliminated

Has anyone evaluated the Honda Prologue? Any other brands to research? We want > 250 range because our current EV has only 130 range which makes it an around town vehicle.

This group was an original promoter of EV's before mainstream media began to follow
They have many articles on the prologue
This is their initial reaction to the prologue

First drive: 2024 Honda Prologue EV gets to something greater

The Prologue doesn’t radically remake Honda vehicles for the EV era, but it’s a technology gateway to them.

www.greencarreports.com

 

[CalGalTraveler]

You may want to also consider a used EV. The market is currently very soft, and you will find lots of reasonable deals, even for a long-range model.

Good thought. What models to consider? Good hybrids? We want a wagon hatchback or SUV with good cargo to haul pet cages, but not too big because we already own a suburban.

A downside is that we wouldn't get the EV credits AFAIK.

We would also need to increase our solar panels to accommodate the new EV in addition to our old one. We can add 10% or 3 panels to our existing rooftop system without losing our better grandfathered rate to the local utility. That would add significant cost to the vehicle.

Alternatively, we could sell the other EV or buy a used ICE or hybrid and avoid adding to the roof. Lots to consider.

 

[Ken555]

Good thought. What models to consider? Good hybrids? We want a wagon hatchback or SUV with good cargo to haul per cages, but not too big because we already own a suburban.

A downside is that we wouldn't get the EV credits AFAIK.

We would also need to imcrease our solar panels to accommodate the new EV in addition to our old one. We can add 10% or 3 panels to our existing rooftop system without losing our better grandfathered rate to the local utility. That would add significant cost to the vehicle.

Alternatively, we could sell the other EV or buy a used ICE or hybrid and avoid adding to the roof. Lots to consider.

Do the math.

In your situation, I'd only consider an EV.

 

[HitchHiker71]

We are considering buying a second longer range EV or hybrid to replace an aging ICE vehicle that has become unreliable..

Now that there is inventory and deals we are thinking of leasing before tariffs hit and EV credits are eliminated

Has anyone evaluated the Honda Prologue? Any other brands to research? We want > 250 range because our current EV has only 130 range which makes it an around town vehicle.

The Honda Prologue is not a Honda - it’s built by GM and is basically a Chevy Blazer EV rebadged. It is literally built in Mexico in the same GM plant alongside the Blazer EV. Slightly different exterior bodywork and interior design - but the core EV components are all GM designed and built (electric motors, battery packs, electronics, etc). This may or may not influence your decision process, but figured it would be worth pointing out.


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[HitchHiker71]

I agree, lol. Especially if you don't already have the proper app to pay.

Bill

For Tesla owners that use the Tesla SC network for L3 public fast charging - there’s no app required for charging. It’s plug and play - thanks to the vertical integration offered by Tesla - you simply park, plug in, charge, unplug and leave. You never touch the app for any of this.


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[HitchHiker71]

Good thought. What models to consider? Good hybrids? We want a wagon hatchback or SUV with good cargo to haul per cages, but not too big because we already own a suburban.

A downside is that we wouldn't get the EV credits AFAIK.

We would also need to imcrease our solar panels to accommodate the new EV in addition to our old one. We can add 10% or 3 panels to our existing rooftop system without losing our better grandfathered rate to the local utility. That would add significant cost to the vehicle.

Alternatively, we could sell the other EV or buy a used ICE or hybrid and avoid adding to the roof. Lots to consider.

Are there any EV/PHEV/HEV brands you would not consider for whatever reason?

If you can find a used EV for under $25k there’s still the $4k federal tax rebate available.


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[CalGalTraveler]

The Honda Prologue is not a Honda - it’s built by GM and is basically a Chevy Blazer EV rebadged. It is literally built in Mexico in the same GM plant alongside the Blazer EV. Slightly different exterior bodywork and interior design - but the core EV components are all GM designed and built (electric motors, battery packs, electronics, etc). This may or may not influence your decision process, but figured it would be worth pointing out.


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Good to know! A family member just bought one and that's what got me thinking about buying one. We will compare the two for pricing/financing terms for sure.

FWIW we tend to avoid American brands for reliability reasons (I had a Chevy Tahoe in the 1990s that died (engine & trans) at 90k miles - so bad taste.) But that may have changed. Our 2004 Suburban has been going strong at 150k miles but is showing issues. American trucks are still the best for towing.

Do not want a Tesla.

Want a stable/established brand for warranty because we tend to hold onto our cars.

Considering the Audi EV and the Volvo 40 EV but those are higher priced. I would like something more status oriented because I still meet clients for work on occasion. But may retire in a few years.

Honda has very easy finance pricing so owning for 3 years does not commit us which I also like. This auto would replace our BMW 325i wagon which we have had for years (and loved). So something not too big and not too small.

This car is not a must have but we know the BMW ICE car is reaching the point of unreliability and will fail in the next few years.

 

[easyrider]

Good to know! A family member just bought one and that's what got me thinking about buying one. We will compare the two for pricing/financing terms for sure.

FWIW we tend to avoid American brands for reliability reasons (I had a Chevy Tahoe in the 1990s that died (engine & trans) at 90k miles - so bad taste.) But that may have changed. Our 2004 Suburban has been going strong at 150k miles but is showing issues. American trucks are still the best for towing.

Do not want a Tesla for quality reasons.

Considering the Audi EV and the Volvo 40 EV but those are higher priced. I would like something more status oriented because I still meet clients for work on occasion. But may retire in a few years.

Honda has very easy finance pricing so owning for 3 years does not commit us which I also like. This auto would replace our BMW 325i wagon which we have had for years (and loved).

This car is not a must have but we know the BMW ICE car is reaching the point of unreliability and will fail in the next few years.

We are looking for a new vehicle for 2025 for my wife. We have been out test driving a few models and so far it's the Lexus RX SUV and Lexus ES sedan that has her interest. The problem is they weigh less than 6000 pounds. Lexus RX450h qualifies for section 179 so we could write it off but we haven't test drove one yet. The 4Runner and Tahoe are still being considered. The Tahoe looks better but the engine seems to have problems with the cylinder management system. 4Runner's with the turbo 4 cylinder are having issues so finding a 6 cylinder mated to the 6 speed transmission is what we would want but no is longer available in 2025.

Bill

 

[CalGalTraveler]

Still need to go out and test drive to check out cargo space for pets and handling.

I don't plan to put the auto on my business - too much paperwork to track miles given how my business mileage has dwindled with remote work and doesn't save that much. My accountant said instead to reimburse myself from the business for business use.

Is the Lexus a hybrid? I am open to hybrids but I do not believe they get the EV credit.

 

[easyrider]

Is the Lexus a hybrid?

Yes, Lexus has a line of hybrids and was said to be adding a plug in hybrid RX 450 that weighs over 6000 pounds in 2025. There are other Lexus Hybrids including the ES sedan we test drove and didn't like. The regular ES sedan with the 6 cylinder engine was a better ride, imo. We are looking at low mile and two to three years old used vehicles. Lexus depreciates about 30 - 40 percent within three years. It's odd that the Lexus may depreciate faster than a Toyota.

Bill

 

[HitchHiker71]

Still need to go out and test drive to check out cargo space for pets and handling.

I don't plan to put the auto on my business - too much paperwork to track miles given how my business mileage has dwindled with remote work and doesn't save that much. My accountant said instead to reimburse myself from the business for business use.

Is the Lexus a hybrid? I am open to hybrids but I do not believe they get the EV credit.

Some new PHEVs are still eligible for tax credits though you would have to check on the fuel economy.gov site to be sure: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/tax2023.shtml

I don’t see any Lexus or Toyota models on the list though.


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[HitchHiker71]

Yes, Lexus has a line of hybrids and was said to be adding a plug in hybrid RX 450 that weighs over 6000 pounds in 2025. There are other Lexus Hybrids including the ES sedan we test drove and didn't like. The regular ES sedan with the 6 cylinder engine was a better ride, imo. We are looking at low mile and two to three years old used vehicles. Lexus depreciates about 30 - 40 percent within three years. It's odd that the Lexus may depreciate faster than a Toyota.

Bill

Is it the actual vehicle weight or is it the GVWR? I was under the impression it’s the latter - which includes maximum vehicle payload capacity, not the actual vehicle weight itself.


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