Wyndham limiting access by non-owners during most sought-after dates/locations

[paxsarah]

But isn’t it clear that Wyndham uses EH to move its own holdings at a high price?

I don't think that's a conspiracy theory at all. It's spelled out in the VOA excerpt that I posted above that they can do what they want with their points as an owner. It's also spelled out that they can take a percentage of availability inside 60 and 30 days for their own purposes if they compensate for it. I don't dispute that Wyndham would like to make as much $$ as they can through EH - and they're fully allowed to do so. What's not spelled out (and I consider a conspiracy) is Wyndham intentionally driving people to cancel so that Wyndham can take those reservations for rental.

Wyndham making it difficult for owner-renters while doing their best to rake in big bucks through EH by renting Wyndham's owned inventory? Like it or not, yes, I'm sure that's a big part of their business strategy. Wyndham making it difficult for owner-renters while stealing their cancelled reservations (outside of what's allowed for in the trust docs) to rent on EH? I haven't seen any evidence of that.

 

[dgalati]

Maybe I should go buy an aluminum foil (tin foil for my fellow Boomers) hat. But isn’t it clear that Wyndham uses EH to move its own holdings at a high price? When Clearwater first opened, the front desk man told me more than half the rooms were occupied by EH renters. And those rooms came from Wyndham directly.

Sales told me (I know you can’t believe sales) that Wyndham holds billions of annual points and uses EH to bolster their bottom line. And that’s why the “can’t use your points for commercial ventures” would never be legally enforceable, as Wyndham’s use of its points for rental purposes would easily be exposed if it ever came to court. And they would make a lot of bluster about the clause but never dare try to enforce it legally.

While “protecting the little owner” from the mega renter sounds galant, it’s simply not true. Wyndham is using all its resources to monopolize the rental market. I would love to be wrong as I’d like to have more access for our extended family ownership, but the facts lead me to other realities. Wyndham is the mafia folks.

Ok. I’ll take my hat off now.

Wes.

Yea but at least the Mafia protected your turf in exchange for a weekly donation which they kindly asked for.

 

[Braindead]

But isn’t it clear that Wyndham uses EH to move its own holdings at a high price? When Clearwater first opened, the front desk man told me more than half the rooms were occupied by EH renters. And those rooms came from Wyndham directly.

EH also has a list of resorts that they will take owners reservations.
Clearwater was not on the list around a year ago.
All Clearwater availability on EH is not owner reservations unless you count Wyndham as an owner.

 

[joestein]

So glad I gave back all my points right before COVID.

Happy to renting a week at Marriot Ocean Watch this August for around $300 more than my annual maintenance.

 

[Ty1on]

So glad I gave back all my points right before COVID.

Happy to renting a week at Marriot Ocean Watch this August for around $300 more than my annual maintenance.

What does this have to do with the topic of the thread?

 

[rickandcindy23]

So glad I gave back all my points right before COVID.

Happy to renting a week at Marriot Ocean Watch this August for around $300 more than my annual maintenance.

That was good timing. I think it will be tougher to use Ovations in the future. A lot of "mega renters" will want to divest of the points that don't have status attached to them. I hope Wyndham continues to take them back. And of course your post is appropriate for this thread.

I am thinking of getting rid of 2/3 of our points (which aren't Founders/ Platinum) and moving toward Marriott for our vacation dollars.

 

[steve_solo]

On the thread topic - I have Sun-Friday reserved at Ocean Boulevard in July. I was going to give it to my daughter with a GC so she and my grandkids could go to the beach.
Will Wyndham cancel this out, or does it only do that if Friday and Sat nights are involved?

 

[Ty1on]

On the thread topic - I have Sun-Friday reserved at Ocean Boulevard in July. I was going to give it to my daughter with a GC so she and my grandkids could go to the beach.
Will Wyndham cancel this out, or does it only do that if Friday and Sat nights are involved?

Ocean Blvd isn't on the list, so I think you're okay?

 

[Jan M.]

Ocean Blvd isn't on the list, so I think you're okay?

Ocean Boulevard IS on the list for weekends in July and August!

 

[dgalati]

Ocean Boulevard IS on the list for weekends in July and August!

Ocean Blvd isn't on the list, so I think you're okay?

So sad Wyndham has made it impossible to know what is allowable to rent.

 

[55plus]

On the thread topic - I have Sun-Friday reserved at Ocean Boulevard in July. I was going to give it to my daughter with a GC so she and my grandkids could go to the beach.
Will Wyndham cancel this out, or does it only do that if Friday and Sat nights are involved?

I would think if a guest has the same last name as an owner Wyndham would make an exception. That would help with this issue. But not all children have the same last name, especially the married daughters. It would be almost impossible to rent only to people who have the same last name as the owner. This can help Wyndham control the commercial venture issue during the restricted timeframes.

 

[Ty1on]

Ocean Boulevard IS on the list for weekends in July and August!

I finally found the post with the link to Geoff Richards' communication. It's on the list for weekends only (July is all I'm looking at), so it seems like steve_solo is still okay sending his daughter sun-fri.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I would think if a guest has the same last name as an owner Wyndham would make an exception. That would help with this issue. But not all children have the same last name, especially the married daughters. It would be almost impossible to rent only to people who have the same last name as the owner. This can help Wyndham control the commercial venture issue during the restricted timeframes.

I don't think so. I think your name has to match exactly. That is why our kids are on our deeds for Wyndham. They count as owners, too, and there is the ability to put their name on the reservation as an owner with no guest fee. It's a very good thing that we insisted they be on the platinum ownership because our son goes to Bali Hai this Saturday without a guest certificate fee, and our daughter will be at Bonnet Creek in October as an owner of record. So it works out great for us. It's something one should consider before buying Wyndham.

 

[wjappraise]

I would think if a guest has the same last name as an owner Wyndham would make an exception. That would help with this issue. But not all children have the same last name, especially the married daughters. It would be almost impossible to rent only to people who have the same last name as the owner. This can help Wyndham control the commercial venture issue during the restricted timeframes.

No. They won’t make an exception.
If Steve wants the weekend - he will need to rent a room from the largest mega renter out there - Extra Holidays.

 

[wjappraise]

And ... Extra Holidays has weekends available for July.

Double standards. Should we be surprised?

 

[joestein]

What does this have to do with the topic of the thread?

Because of all the limitations and issues that Wyndham is imposing.

 

[dgalati]

On the thread topic - I have Sun-Friday reserved at Ocean Boulevard in July. I was going to give it to my daughter with a GC so she and my grandkids could go to the beach.
Will Wyndham cancel this out, or does it only do that if Friday and Sat nights are involved?

Ocean Blvd isn't on the list, so I think you're okay?

No. They won’t make an exception.
If Steve wants the weekend - he will need to rent a room from the largest mega renter out there - Extra Holidays.

Can anyone say for sure what the GC policy is during the black out dates?

 

[wjappraise]

Because of all the limitations and issues that Wyndham is imposing.

It’s interesting that many of us have wondered how Wyndham will market their product to the Gen Z and millennial potential buyers.

I’m wondering if it will be an entirely new dynamic involving prepaid or discounted reservations through EH? Many consumers of those ages balk at the costs and commitment involved with true timeshare purchases or even the hybrid form (points based) that Wyndham uses. Perhaps the next generation of “owners” will only have the option of procurement of rooms through EH.

The only impediment to that new strategy would be the existing “owners” who hold rights of ownership. By systematically, but slowly, eroding those rights of ownership, those owners would willingly relinquish their holdings. But they won’t appeal to the courts or antitrust agencies to investigate Wyndham’s actions, just like the proverbial frog who will sit in a pot that is slowly warmed until he dies.

Wes

 

[paxsarah]

As I read it, the weekends in July are Friday and Saturday nights only. I would think a guest checking in on Sunday and checking out on Friday (i.e. the last night being Thursday) is safe. What am I missing?

 

[Ty1on]

Can anyone say for sure what the GC policy is during the black out dates?

You already know the answer....we can't. Even if we find the latest list and recite it to you, it says "may be cancelled," not "will be cancelled." That seems intentionally vague.

 

[CO skier]

And ... Extra Holidays has weekends available for July.

Double standards. Should we be surprised?

Could you post a screenshot of the Ocean Blvd availability and how you are searching for it, because when I search Extra Holidays for Ocean Blvd in July, I do not see anything available. (Screenshot attached.)

With Bigfoot "sightings", there are at least some pictures.

 

[wjappraise]

Could you post a screenshot of the Ocean Blvd availability and how you are searching for it, because when I search Extra Holidays for Ocean Blvd in July, I do not see anything available. (Screenshot attached.)

With Bigfoot "sightings", there are at least some pictures.

It isn’t now but it was earlier. I forget that you’re a Wyndham apologist. I’ll upload photos of plenty of resorts that shouldn’t have available rooms but do.

In the meantime keep your head in the sand. And do you need photos of the moon landing? You probably think that’s a hoax too.

Wes.

 

[CO skier]

It isn’t now but it was earlier...

Wes.

Oh, yeah, sure. Well, the next time you find a 4 Bedroom Presidential that Wyndham apparently does not accept into Extra Holiday, or Ocean Blvd in July, or any other "instantly vanishing Bigfoot sighting," please include at least a shred of evidence.

 

[wjappraise]

Oh, yeah, sure. Well, the next time you find a 4 Bedroom Presidential that Wyndham apparently does not accept into Extra Holiday, or Ocean Blvd in July, or any other "instantly vanishing Bigfoot sighting," please include at least a shred of evidence.

I noticed you conveniently went silent when Cindy reported the Easter availability at Bonnet Creek. Must have killed you.

We notice your duplicity. Just admit you were wrong. We understand.

Wes.

 

[CO skier]

I noticed you conveniently went silent when Cindy reported the Easter availability at Bonnet Creek. Must have killed you.

We notice your duplicity. Just admit you were wrong. We understand.

Wes.

Show us the picture of Bigfoot that you seem to find so easily, but no one else can. Then ...