Survey on new points program: Are you going to sign up?

[scrapngen]

1. Are you going to join the new system
NOT
Not when my fixed Plat Plus is valued identically to a float Plat at the same resort - and significantly lower than what it would take to trade into or rent!!
Also even with two plat plus HI weeks, I'd still only get to use points for 7 days or more at 13 or 12 months, so I get nothing better and pay another fee! No way will I give up great weeks to Marriott for nothing. (I don't qualify for Premier Plus membership level) Not when I lose voting rights. Not when my points can be changed at will and whim.

2. if so, did you buy a developer week
yes

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many bedrooms
2 fixed weeks Waiohai 51, 52 2 bedrooms

4. If you are not going to join, how will you use your week
Mostly to use, occasionally to trade - maybe with SFX since I'm pretty sure the inventory we'd like will be skimmed from II

 

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[JimC]

1. Are you going to join the new system

Don't know, but unlikely. Don't see much benefit (see #4 below) and plenty of long term costs.

2. if so, did you buy a developer week

Both developer and resale

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many bedrooms

Shadow Ridge EEY Platinum 2 bdrm
Canyon Villas EOY Platinum 2 bdrm
Cypress Harbour EY Sport 2 bdrm

4. If you are not going to join, how will you use your week

We usually stay at our resorts in our seasons. We have locked-off the efficiency units at SR and CV, then deposited into II. Most of those were given to family. We will probably do less of that in the future.

 

[Terpy]

1. Are you going to join the new system
Yes!!

2. if so, did you buy a developer week
2 weeks developer and 2 weeks resale

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many bedrooms
Developer: EOY 3BDR Grand Chateau Platinum, EY 2BDR Standard Lakeshore Reserve Platinum

Resale: EY 2BDR Cypress Harbour Summer and Sport

4. If you are not going to join, how will you use your week
N/A

4a. Why?

To gain the ability to exchange the resale weeks for MRPs. I want to reach lifetime Marriott Rewards Gold Elite. I travel a lot for work, so nights won't be the problem. I'm short on points. The ability to exchange for points will help me reach the lifetime status. I'll also benefit from the frequent flyer miles with the packages.

To extend my stays from 7 nights to 9 or 10 nights. The lower nightly rate of points for Sunday-Thursday stays is too good to resist.

Travel pattens: turns out I travel in shoulder season, so even with the Marriott skim or breakage, I'll have leftover points without changing my travel patterns. There will be one change, I'll get more nights for the same number of trips at the same resorts!

 

[hotcoffee]

1. Are you going to join the new system

Yes.

2. if so, did you buy a developer week

No. Resale.

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many bedrooms

KBC, float, 2BR OF, float

4. If you are not going to join, how will you use your week

N/A

 

[catharsis]

1. No

2. Developer

3. Grande Vists Gold & Plat, both EOY

4. I will continue to seek exchanges in II, and will exchange to non-Marriott's if II Marriott inventory disappears.

(I would also now expect to move my anticipated additional weeks purchase to Westin or HGVC or possibly even 4 Seasons as I am so irritated by Marriott's 'theft' from the OWNERS of the properties they manage on our behalf.

 

[TheTimeTraveler]

1. Are you going to join the new system
Yes!!

2. if so, did you buy a developer week
2 weeks developer and 2 weeks resale

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many bedrooms
Developer: EOY 3BDR Grand Chateau Platinum, EY 2BDR Standard Lakeshore Reserve Platinum

Resale: EY 2BDR Cypress Harbour Summer and Sport

4. If you are not going to join, how will you use your week
N/A

4a. Why?

To gain the ability to exchange the resale weeks for MRPs. I want to reach lifetime Marriott Rewards Gold Elite. I travel a lot for work, so nights won't be the problem. I'm short on points. The ability to exchange for points will help me reach the lifetime status. I'll also benefit from the frequent flyer miles with the packages.

To extend my stays from 7 nights to 9 or 10 nights. The lower nightly rate of points for Sunday-Thursday stays is too good to resist.

Travel pattens: turns out I travel in shoulder season, so even with the Marriott skim or breakage, I'll have leftover points without changing my travel patterns. There will be one change, I'll get more nights for the same number of trips at the same resorts!

Terpy or anyone: What qualifies for Lifetime Marriott Gold Elite which is referred to in the above post? Anyone know what is required to reach that status? Just curious....


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[Excelon]

1. Are you going to join the new system No

2. if so, did you buy a developer week Both

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many bedrooms Aruba Ocean Club 3 weeks one bedroom Platinum
4. If you are not going to join, how will you use your week Same as past

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[Cobra1950]

1. Absolutely Not. I am extremely disappointed in Marriott with their new points system for acting like a low end used car dealer with way too much fine print in their financing documents with nothing but increasing their own cash flow at the expense of their customer base. The confusion they have generated on the TUG site, before they even gave loyal owners like me an email bothering to tell us we were getting shafted. is amazing.
Whatever Marriott executive that dreamed this up deserves the proper reward.
2. All are basically developer weeks as all were purchased through Marriott
3. (1) Platinum Plus Week 51 (Christmas) at Summittwatch; (1) Bronze Week Summittwatch; (1) Legends Edge (Panama City) 2br. Both the Summittwatch weeks are 2br lockouts that we often lock out and that feature is worthless with the new system.
4. We will continue to use II unless we find out their is collusion with Marriott on cutting off all inventory to "legacy owners", then we will switch to RCI.:annoyed:

 

[brigechols]

1. Are you going to join the new system No

2. if so, did you buy a developer week

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many bedrooms Grande Vista, Platinum, 3 BR l/o and Ko Olina, Platinum 2 BR penthouse mountain view

4. If you are not going to join, how will you use your week use the Ko Olina week or rent it, use the Grande Vista 2 BR l/o within the Florida Club or exchange through SFX, and use the Grande Vista studio to pickup a week during Flexchange.

 

[irish]

1- highly unlikely UNLESS drastic changes are made to the program

2-developer

3-ocean club/gold 1/1 cypress harbor/ special2/2

4-external exchanges, look into other avenues of exchange, use(IF I CAN EVEN GET A WEEK) rent

 

[ilene13]

I agree!!

I will not be joining the new program.
I own MOC, DSVI, Aruba Ocean Club and Aruba Surf Club.
I bought all from Marriott.

What is wrong with you people? Why are you not angry about this? Your deeds are now worthless, and your trading power is diminished. You no longer have priority at your home resort. You are in competition with anyone with the right number of points. If you thought it was hard getting your home resort in prime time, wait until you see what happens now!

touche!!

 

[ilene13]

Survey

1. Are you going to join the new system

2. if so, did you buy a developer week

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many bedrooms

4. If you are not going to join, how will you use your week

1. I am not sure--but we are leaning towards NO. We go to Surfwatch next week and I am anxious to go to a presentation.
2. All my weeks are developer weeks

3. 3 platinum weeks, 1 bedroom OV at the Aruba Ocean Club and 1 platinum week, 3 bedroom GV at Surfwatch

4.We use our weeks at our home resorts

My biggest concerns are whether or not I will have to compete with points owners to get weeks 50-52 in Aruba and July 4th in HH. Also, will I need a second II membership for my 3 weeks at the Royal Resorts.[/COLOR]

 

[Frisbeeace]

1. Are you going to join the new system
No

2. if so, did you buy a developer week
Yes

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many bedrooms 3 weeks at Sabal Palms, 2BR, Red (Platinum) Season

4. If you are not going to join, how will you use your week I will sell them asap. In the meantime, will trade for MRP or interchange through II

In 17 years as an owner I've seen Marriott heavily devaluating the Rewards Points program and hurting owners that rely on the trade-for-points option. I don't know why we shouldn't expect same behaviour with this new points system. Talking about skimming points, it also was around 15% when I bought and now it is 67% (I get 110,000 points for each week and Marriott gives them away for 180,000 points). So, you know what to expect... you will gradually lose trading power, for sure.

 

[irish]

ilene13
make sure you write down all your questions and try to pin him down on his answers(not that that will help you in the end. it's whats in writing that counts)

 

[RBERR1]

1. Are you going to join the new system

2. if so, did you buy a developer week

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many bedrooms

4. If you are not going to join, how will you use your week

1)Maybe
2) Have one developer and 2 resale
3) Barony Gold OS, Sunset Pointe Summer, Cypres Harbour Special
4) Stay there, rent or II

 

[kjd]

1. Are you going to join the new system? No

2. if so, did you buy a developer week? yes--two developer, three resale

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many? 2br MGC PLAT, MGV PLAT, MGO SILVER, 3br MGC PLAT

4. If you are not going to join, how will you use your week?

Will continue to use II Gold membership through 2014. Will use SFX as alternative. Will continue to lock-off units for trading. Will personally use two home resort stays. With lock-offs will have up to 7 vacation weeks. That's why the points system makes little sense for my purposes. With lock-offs penalized severely with the new point system I would be nuts to give up three vacation weeks to save $500.

 

[Michigan Czar]

1. Are you going to join the new system - No!

2. if so, did you buy a developer week - No, resale

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many bedrooms - MMO, 2 bedrooms, OV

4. If you are not going to join, how will you use your week - Stay there like I always have with the exception of one week I rented and then I rented Ko Olina with that rental income.

 

[jimf41]

So far its 37% joining, 62% not. Considering TUG members are a tough audience I'd say the system is on its way to be very successful.

 

[DanCali]

So far its 37% joining, 62% not. Considering TUG members are a tough audience I'd say the system is on its way to be very successful.

I disagree - many of the Tuggers joining have 13K points or more. That's certainly not representative of the average owner. When you have 13K points, it probably matters less if you lose 5%-12% to skimming. To the 90%+ (estimate) of owners who own two weeks or less, the skimming makes a huge differnce and is very noticeable when you compare your options with points to prior usage patterns.

Moreover, even of the multi week owners enrolling in the points program some of them are actually joining the "weeks program" (i.e. joining points to just keep trading weeks in II and hopefully save fees), not the points program. I don't think this is what Marriott intended, and they will certainly not market this program and a "cheap II alternative" to the average owner. So when they present the points table to the average owner, the skimming will speak for itself.

The most flatterring definition I would give to this program is "alleged flexibility at a very high cost." If I were less diplomatic, I would just call it "terrible". IMO this points program will be a classic Harvard Business School case study on how NOT to change something that worked well.

 

[puckmanfl]

good morning

Dan...

You are 100% correct. I am joining as I have 13K + points. I am a trader that does 4-5 transactions (internal trades/lock offs) annually. Once in, I plan to dabble in the points to see if it actually works!!! I will report back with my results on 7/27 (opening day)....

For 2011, just booked my Hawaii weeks for the 25th anniversary trip with home usage. it was business as usual without limitation in inventory as I grabbed some June weeks at Koolina and Waiohai...

 

[JimIg23]

Dave M,

One suggestion:

If possible, can you consider making this thread a survey on the sticky points where we can see totals? I think it would be interesting and helpful if we get to really see what precentage of tuggers are going to join. I would ask 1) are you going to join, 2) if yes, are you resale or direct owner?

Thanks
Jim

 

[hipslo]

I intend to enroll, but do not like the new system and have no intention of ever using points. Given my ownership of 5 high cost resale weeks, the enrollment fee is a modest toll charge to keep my options open in the future, and ensure that I am on the same footing as direct purchase weeks owners, going forward.

I intend to continue to use my weeks as I always have - rent, occupy and (occasionally) trade via II.

 

[PerryM]

You Betcha....

Of course we will enroll our ONE Gold Summit Watch this week.

Payback from fees is 12 years.

We use MRPs, so we might turn in usage EOY for 100,000 MRPs.

2,150 Vacation Points if we Redeem the week - that's a lot of usage.

Prices of fees will never be lower.

We get $21,500 worth of Vacation Points for our cost of 1/3 of that.

Our MF is 47 cents per Point.


Plan to exploit the hell out of the new system.

What's not to like.

P.S.
I believe Marriott left the timeshare arena and entered the Destination Club arena on June, 21, 2010.

I'm looking for Marriott to morph into something completely different - they are selling destinations - in terms of a place to stay and things to do. That includes ALL their resorts and hotels around the world.

So as you ponder your decision you might consider you have the best of both worlds here - you retain a deed to a very nice Marriott resort and can put that deed up for one-year Vacation Points that allow you access to the world's largest Destination Club as of 6/21/10.

At least that's what I've deduced Marriott did - bye bye timeshares - hello Destination Club...