Survey on new points program: Are you going to sign up?

[puckmanfl]

good afternoon

perhaps there should be question 4a...

If you enroll, will you actually convert your units to the "points bucket"?

As a developer multi-week purchaser ($695 entry fee +$195) who mostly exchanges (3-5 transactions yearly including lock off's). The enrollment would pay for itself within a few years, even If I just do what I have always done (trade with II). I spend about $500 yearly in these fees

With the points "bucket",I see grabbing primo units (ski etc even with adequate points very difficult as I don't see these owners converting), like for like acquisitions possible but costly with skimming. The real advantage is mixing matching with short stays at shoulder seasons or prime seasons (sun-thurs). This will be easier for the Premier Plus crowd...

 

[eileenpat]

Question for Brenda

Thank you for your detailed response but I have a question: you said the enrollment fee for ALL your units was $695.00? How? When I called Marriott yesterday they quoted $595 to $695 PER unit. They thought (because between 2 reps they did not really know) that the maximium enrollment fee was ~$2000.00
If it was only $695 for my three weeks, I would be happy!

 

[Brenda]

Enrollment Fee

Thank you for your detailed response but I have a question: you said the enrollment fee for ALL your units was $695.00? How? When I called Marriott yesterday they quoted $595 to $695 PER unit. They thought (because between 2 reps they did not really know) that the maximium enrollment fee was ~$2000.00
If it was only $695 for my three weeks, I would be happy!

The enrollment fee for developer weeks only is $595 for the first one and $100 extra for all the others; not each. The total for 2 weeks to infinity weeks is $695. At least 3 reps quoted that number to me. Call again.

 

[m61376]

The enrollment fee for developer weeks only is $595 for the first one and $100 extra for all the others; not each. The total for 2 weeks to infinity weeks is $695. At least 3 reps quoted that number to me. Call again.

That is also in writing.
Resale weeks are 1495 for 1 and 1995 for 2 or more. If you own both resale and developer weeks you will have to call, but the total will be capped at 1995.

 

[icydog]

1. Are you going to join the new system
YES ALREADY ENROLLED
2. if so, did you buy a developer week MIXED BAG. TWO DEVELOPER AND THREE RESALE

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many bedrooms
TWO LAKESHORE RESERVE PLAT
ONE NEWPORT COAST PLAT
ONE FRENCHMAN'S COVE PLAT
ONE BARONY BEACH GOLD

How I'll use the new system

To book at 13 months (albeit only for 7 night stays)
For flexibility for short stays at Fairways
To get into new resorts
To trade resale weeks for MRP
To save on the II fees
To save the lock off fees
To save on fees to deposit my weeks into MRP
To give me the ability to add timeshare and hotel nights together for longer vacations

 

[camachinist]

1. Are you going to join the new system

When pigs fly.

2. if so, did you buy a developer week

If *no*, yes I did, two in fact.

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many bedrooms

Newport Coast; both seasons; 2 BR non-lockoff

4. If you are not going to join, how will you use your week

Rent swap, direct exchange, rare II/SFX/Ownertrades exchange; occupy. Historically, I mainly rent swap.

 

[2disneydads]

We're Going to Join

1. Are you going to join the new system - Yes

2. if so, did you buy a developer week - Yes (5, including 2 EOY)

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many bedrooms - Oceana Palms (2 weeks, one Platinum 2 Br and one Platinum Preferred 2 Br (New Years Week); Lakeshore Reserve (Platinum 3 Br); Grande Vista 2 Br (Platinum EOY); and Newport Coast 2 Br (Platinum EOY)

4. If you are not going to join, how will you use your week - N/A

I am disappointed in some aspects of the plan (especially the "skimming") but the only other conversion with which I am familiar (the Orange Lake Country Club conversion to Global Points) saw a lot more skimming than Marriott is doing here. And the skimming, at least for our weeks, only involves certain portions of what had been our seasons. I am more than willing to trade the seemingly modest skimming for the increased flexibility. And we get to reserve 13 months out - that is a big benefit, especially for desirable locations. Plus we no longer are locked into season that have not kept up with our usage. So there are lots of benefits for us. My question now is whether to bump up our points somewhat at the $9.20 rate.

Lots of good ideas and analysis out there, though.

 

[mpizza]

1. Are you going to join the new system - Probably.

2. if so, did you buy a developer week - One developer, four resale.

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many bedrooms - Platinum MFV 2 bed, non-lockoff, Silver MMC 2 bed non-lockoff

4. If you are not going to join, how will you use your week - If I don't join, I'll continue to use my weeks as I have been for the last twelve years, either at my home resort or trading thru II.

 

[potchak]

1. Are you going to join the new system - Undecided

2. if so, did you buy a developer week - 1 EY developer, 2 EOY developer, and 1 resale

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many bedrooms -Plat 2 bd Waiohai EOY, 2 bd Plat summer Timberlodge EOY, Plat MMC 2bd, plat MSE 2bd

4. If you are not going to join, how will you use your week - probably continue trading into MR pts and interval international trades. If not, selling them all. DH is very upset about this.

 

[tlwmkw]

I had posted that I was not sure about enrolling- thinking more about doing so now. Reason for this is that the new system accounts for view- we paid a premium for our view but interval negated that if we traded- this system does allow more points for view and we can reserve a certain view (if available) at another resort. The stumbling block is whether there will be availability and the "skim" that Marriott is taking. The big unknown is future resales- my feeling is that the market will flood with cheap points in about 6 months or so. The only way this won't happen is if Marriott props up the price like DVC but given past history I don't see that happening.

Bottom line is I'm now leaning towards enrolling.

tlwmkw

 

[judys19058]

I will not be joining the new program.
I own MOC, DSVI, Aruba Ocean Club and Aruba Surf Club.
I bought all from Marriott.

What is wrong with you people? Why are you not angry about this? Your deeds are now worthless, and your trading power is diminished. You no longer have priority at your home resort. You are in competition with anyone with the right number of points. If you thought it was hard getting your home resort in prime time, wait until you see what happens now!

 

[tlwmkw]

judys,

I think everyone is upset but what can you do? As far as competing they are saying that your week is only released to the points pool if you elect to do so for that year so if you don't elect to take points they have to honor your deed. The skim that e eryone is talking about also gives the actual week owners a slight advantage because it costs more for points owners to get what we are deeded to own. We'll all have to see how this pans out- at this point I don't even think Marriott knows whatwill happen!

tlwmkw

 

[judys19058]

What week are they holding for me? MOC is open season all year. So far I have called Owner Services twice and have 2 different answers to the booking at your home resort issue. 1 person told me that Marriott will put weeks into different "buckets".. 1 for deeded owners to book, and 1 for points owners to book. Who knows what weeks will go into each "bucket"? Another person in Owner Services tells me that deeded owners can book 12-13 months in advance, but point owners can only book at the 10 month level. Then, again, according to the Marriott disclosures on their website, anyone with enough points can book my resort 13 months in advance. Who are we to believe?

 

[brigechols]

I had posted that I was not sure about enrolling- thinking more about doing so now. Reason for this is that the new system accounts for view- we paid a premium for our view but interval negated that if we traded- this system does allow more points for view and we can reserve a certain view (if available) at another resort. The stumbling block is whether there will be availability and the "skim" that Marriott is taking. The big unknown is future resales- my feeling is that the market will flood with cheap points in about 6 months or so. The only way this won't happen is if Marriott props up the price like DVC but given past history I don't see that happening.

Bottom line is I'm now leaning towards enrolling.

tlwmkw

Did you ever consider a direct trade with another Marriott owner? In that case, there is certainty regarding the view.

 

[Slakk]

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[Beverley]

1. We are going to join

2. We bought all developer

3. 2 platinum ski weeks Timberlogde, 2 platinum Shadow Ridge

4. n/a


One thing to remember: You are not giving up your deeded week! Everything is the same except you have this additional option, that you DONT have to use, to trade for Destination points.

I'm not sure i'll ever use that option but we are going to join since they consolidate fees and it will come out less expensive for us. We typically pay II fees, lock off fees and trading fees every year so the $169 to $199 annual fee will come out cheaper.

When we do join, it will be at the very last minute too.

We are also joining.

We have 6 developer weeks and ditto the comment on not giving up our ability to reserve at our home resorts.

We will likely reserve our two HHI platinums and use points to extend 1 - 2 weeks and also use points to take one or two days on the way down and back to and from HHI.

If the system doesn't work out we've only lost the 695 which by the time we find the system not working we will have saved the equivalent on trades, locking off, and trading in for MR points. Currently we run 2 separate II accounts, trade for MR points one or two time a year and trade at least 3 times ... We will recover the 695 relatively soon.

Beverley

 

[Beverley]

I will not be joining the new program.
I own MOC, DSVI, Aruba Ocean Club and Aruba Surf Club.
I bought all from Marriott.

What is wrong with you people? Why are you not angry about this? Your deeds are now worthless, and your trading power is diminished. You no longer have priority at your home resort. You are in competition with anyone with the right number of points. If you thought it was hard getting your home resort in prime time, wait until you see what happens now!

I will say I hope you are incorrect. If you are right, I believe Marriott will have many many complaints.

I don't see the deeds as becoming worthless. I can still book my time at my resort without doing anything with points. Only if I want to trade to another resort will there be question as to whether I can get what I want. Frankly, there was always the risk that I would not get whatever trade request I made, so I do not see that as changing either.

It is my understanding the "funding" of weeks available to trade is from the owners that deposit their weeks for a trade (as it is today) and the funding for the points is from unsold inventory, weeks deposited for points, and perhaps weeks traded for Marriott Reward points.

I don't think we have to worry as much as I see some are worrying. The only risk seems to be the $695. If the system doesn't work, I suppose I can always dis-enroll.

Beverley

 

[CatJ114683]

1. Are you going to join the new system: We have put our 2011 up through II so we do not have any point value at this time.

2. if so, did you buy a developer week/Developer

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many bedrooms/Grande Vista 2 br/Gold

4. If you are not going to join, how will you use your week . I don't know. We bought in Orlando when we lived closer, now we are not within driving distance, sooooo. We will continue to try to trade through II. If that just doesn't work out, we will either reconsider or sell. It's a wait and see type of thing, I think.

 

[kjd]

I'm not sure whether I'll join or not. Maybe someone could give me some advice. I have six units but four of them are EOY. Four of the six are platinum, one is gold and one is silver. Three of the six are resale. Three were purchased direct.

Generally, I use one of the EOYs for my own use and either trade the others or turn one of them in for points. I also give a couple of weeks away to relatives. I'm unclear what they would charge to put all of my units into the points program. That $1,995 entry fee is a little confusing. Then there is talk of $695 as a promotion fee for joining now but their example is only for two weeks.

Since I have not received anything from Marriott it is impossible to make any final decision until then. I am concerned about II inventory and other disadvantages that people have mentioned. I joined SFX today after reading the thread and it looks promising. However, $300 to join without any real idea of how it will work is not a good option. Anyone have any ideas about this?

 

[judys19058]

[Message deleted. Please stay on track with the survey when posting in this thread. Dave M, BBS moderator]

 

[iamnotshopgirl]

1. Are you going to join the new system

2. if so, did you buy a developer week

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many bedrooms

4. If you are not going to join, how will you use your week

Yes, I have enrolled

Own 2 developer weeks and 1 resale week

Surf Club 2 Gold 2bd & 2ba OS, Sabal Palms white week (resale)

What pushed me into joining? I bought Sabal Palms resale at a good price with the point system in mind. Tonight I confirmed with Marriott that I will be given 90,000 MRP if I choose the option. Got nothing before and coupled with the vacation points I can get some decent trades into a lot of 1Bd resorts by using 1 Surf Club week combined with Sabal Palm week into most seasons here on the east coast. I can then used the left over Surf Club week as I normally do every year.

bob

 

[Dave M]

Moderator note:

As I have previously posted in this thread, this is a survey thread. Posts should be responsive to the title question.

To aid those seeking information on this topic, related discussions should be posted elsewhere or via Private Messages. Questions should neither be asked nor responded to in this thread.

My ruthless hand will continue to delete most posts that do not observe this requirement.

 

[dioxide45]

Moderator note:

As I have previously posted in this thread, this is a survey thread. Posts should be responsive to the title question.

To aid those seeking information on this topic, related discussions should be posted elsewhere or via Private Messages. Questions should neither be asked nor responded to in this thread.

My ruthless hand will continue to delete most posts that do not observe this requirement.

Can we actually get this thread setup with a poll? Having a poll with the following options may be helpful.

• Already Enrolled
• Definitely Yes
• Definitely Not
• Yes, but waiting until just before Aug 31
• Yes, but waiting until just before Dec 31
• More details needed, not sure.

 

[Dave M]

At this point, I think there are too many possible polls to have them all at the top of the forum. It's something that we will likely do - eventually.

Let's continue with this thread, as it gets to the essence of what you seek, even though not in summary form. Including reasons for choices, as many have done here, has significant value.

Further, please follow my above request: "As I have previously posted in this thread, this is a survey thread. Posts should be responsive to the title question."

 

[CMF]

1. Are you going to join the new system - maybe

2. if so, did you buy a developer week - no

3. What timeshare do you own, what season, how many bedrooms - BB Gold and Manor Club Plat. Both two bedrooms.

4. If you are not going to join, how will you use your week - I will stay at these resorts but will consider trading if there is Marriott inventory available through II, or exchanges with other owners.

Charles