RCI Suspended Eagle Village Tamiment

[slarney77]

I agree why throw good money after bad

 

[SalonJ]

1) I just checked the Concord accounts website and my account shows $0 due for maintenance fees, so the POA is not actively collecting.
2) I wrote a letter to the POA office asking for information that was delivered, according to USPS, but of course I have heard nothing.
3) I have done some searching on the internet and have found a few tidbits but nothing revealing real information. Linked In lists 4 names associated with Eagle Village POA including an owner but it is not clear if the information is current or not. ZoomInfo, a business database, shows action on the part of EV POA in Nov and Dec 2023 but one has to have a business account to get data access. The Pike County land records are not much help, they show a lot of entries covering many different assortments of names including the words Eagle Village, Tamiment, Wayne Newton, Resort. Lastly, the PA Pike County property tax records are not available to the public.

My conclusion is there is not much to be gained by searching the internet. If there are no maintenance fees, they will default on property taxes, which leads to a long term legal mess that will take years. So maybe it is a blessing that they are not charging fees and owners can let Eagle Village RIP.

Hi did you get a bill for 2024 maintenance fees? I did receive one, but I am very reluctant to pay it since I lost my week last year and everything that's going on and they never get back to you.

 

[slarney77]

I did receive a bill in January I did not get points for RCI for this year if you read the thread the threads like seven pages long a lot of people are going through the same things and questioning is it worth paying since they never communicate to you you'll never see anything come out that says owners we did repairs or owners we put a new roof on you'll never see anything come out from them they just basically take your money and pay people for all we know the people who work there are friends and family of the board of directors like there's no communication at all but yeah if you read this whole thread you'll see a bunch of people are saying the same things

 

[Sammy1234]

Can’t we all just insist the board put it up for sale with the profit used to pay all debts then anything left decided among us? We have owned there since early 1980’s and it is a disgrace what has happened there, but it happens all over so just pull the plug already and put us out of our misery

I think the writing is on the wall too. That's why it surprises me that the developer, John Oakes is trying to revitalize the Poconos. He built some theater up there, but when I checked it out, there were only 3 shows scheduled for this year. Back in the 80's there was a lot of potential for it to be a big travel area, but when the casino's didn't happen, that hurt. Originally Wayne Newton owned Tanament which is now Eagle Village. It was really nice then and it would be packed. In the summer, you had to get down to the pool early, if you wanted a seat. Then they played bingo by the pool and the greased watermelon races which were very competitive lol. There were also a couple of nice restaurants to go to in the evening. Too bad they let it go downhill and did not keep up with the maintenance on the units. I don't know if it was bad management or what, but its just sad that what was once a nice relaxing place to go to, is now a run down roach infested place.

 

[Sammy1234]

I did receive a bill in January I did not get points for RCI for this year if you read the thread the threads like seven pages long a lot of people are going through the same things and questioning is it worth paying since they never communicate to you you'll never see anything come out that says owners we did repairs or owners we put a new roof on you'll never see anything come out from them they just basically take your money and pay people for all we know the people who work there are friends and family of the board of directors like there's no communication at all but yeah if you read this whole thread you'll see a bunch of people are saying the same things

Good point, why didn't the board do something. Why did they let it get this bad? Even if they had to increase the maintenance fees a little bit and kept it nice, we would have still wanted to use our week there.
That's why I mentioned taking legal action against them, which someone said, they don't have any money, which I agree with. But just legal action to let us off the hook for this place and not have to pay maintenance fees anymore. They took our money and did not use it properly, so in my opinion, they did not legally keep their end of the deal which was to provide a place for us to stay and I mean a place that would be properly maintained.

 

[LisaC]

Good point, why didn't the board do something. Why did they let it get this bad? Even if they had to increase the maintenance fees a little bit and kept it nice, we would have still wanted to use our week there.
That's why I mentioned taking legal action against them, which someone said, they don't have any money, which I agree with. But just legal action to let us off the hook for this place and not have to pay maintenance fees anymore. They took our money and did not use it properly, so in my opinion, they did not legally keep their end of the deal which was to provide a place for us to stay and I mean a place that would be properly maintained.

I feel the same way and refuse to pay maintenance fees on something we have not been communicated with and can't trade with RCI anymore.

 

[LisaC]

I peronally think its just a lost cause.

 

[SalonJ]

This is another good reason why I think we should look into a class action lawsuit. Eagle Village is not even answering phone calls so how is anyone suppose to get reservations??
Again, is anybody interest in looking into a class action lawsuit. If so, I'll start making some phone calls. But I have to know their is an interest.

Also, I mentioned in a prior post that starting tomorrow, everyone should start calling the state representative for that area. I supplied all the info. in an above post.

I think we should . No response from them for months. I'm not paying and loosing another week.

 

[nellevad]

Once again, who are you planning on sueing, and what do you plan on getting in return? The POA is not a business providing consumer services. It a a group of owners who are trying to manage a resort that does not have owners paying MFs. No MFs, no services. If enough people do not pay MFs this year, they will have to close. Already they don't have office personnel because they can no longer pay their wages. That is why there is no communication. They probable can't pay cleaning help either. Therefore no reservations. Just hang tight. They will need to ask for all our deeds back, free of charge. Group us all as tenants in common, no designated weeks. Then they can dissolve the resort, pay outstanding debts. Just hang tight and don't waste more money on lawyers who cannot do anything but make idle promises and take your money.

 

[Sammy1234]

Once again, who are you planning on sueing, and what do you plan on getting in return? The POA is not a business providing consumer services. It a a group of owners who are trying to manage a resort that does not have owners paying MFs. No MFs, no services. If enough people do not pay MFs this year, they will have to close. Already they don't have office personnel because they can no longer pay their wages. That is why there is no communication. They probable can't pay cleaning help either. Therefore no reservations. Just hang tight. They will need to ask for all our deeds back, free of charge. Group us all as tenants in common, no designated weeks. Then they can dissolve the resort, pay outstanding debts. Just hang tight and don't waste more money on lawyers who cannot do anything but make idle promises and take youaga

 

[Sammy1234]

Again, I said, I know they do not have any money and I said, the legal action would be that they just let us off the hook for any further maintenance fees and also remember these time share weeks will be left to our heirs, so let that stop too. But if you think its going to play out as you mentioned, then its imperative that everyone stop paying their maintenance fees.

 

[Patri]

Your heirs do not have to accept the ts, so they are safe. Unless their names are on the deed, heaven forbid.

 

[nellevad]

Your heirs do not have to accept the ts, so they are safe. Unless their names are on the deed, heaven forbid.

Yes, that is true. Heirs have not signed any documents, are not on deeds. Timeshare POA's must accept the deeds back so they can resell and get MFs. It is just a scare tactic of managing companies like Capital Vacations.

 

[Rhondita920]

Just wondering if anyone has heard from any collection agency or any response at all after not paying their MF's?

 

[mcara00]

Just wondering if anyone has heard from any collection agency or any response at all after not paying their MF's?

I have not. The last time I checked a few days ago (after March 1) my account with the company that collects MF’s still had my account only 30 days overdue. Probably a bit early for anything too serious as everyone who has not paid for 2024 is currently only about 40 days overdue. If the serious stuff starts, my guess is that it will occur around 60-90 days at least.

 

[slarney77]

I know last year I got locked out of my account and I had a call the company to make a payment and the guy was extremely rude if you call eagle village they can take a payment as it stands I do not believe I'll be making the payment this year there's just no benefit to it the eagle village has been run to the ground it would take more than all the maintenance fees in the world to bring it up to snuff

 

[nellevad]

Expect to receive a letter from Blackwell Recovery around May 1 asking for $945. There will be no other notice before then. At that point you will not be able to access your account and no one at Concord can help you. I don't know what the steps will be from this recovery company after you don't pay, past this first letter.

 

[LisaC]

Expect to receive a letter from Blackwell Recovery around May 1 asking for $945. There will be no other notice before then. At that point you will not be able to access your account and no one at Concord can help you. I don't know what the steps will be from this recovery company after you don't pay, past this first letter.

How did you find this out? Just curious.

 

[LisaC]

Just wondering if anyone has heard from any collection agency or any response at all after not paying their MF's?

I was wondering the same thing. Just crazy to accept payment when they are doing absolutely nothing.

 

[nellevad]

That is what happened to me last year. I have two account numbers because I have 2 weeks. I had made a double payment on one, leaving the other deliquent. I did not realize it. It didn't register that I had not recieved a payment confirmation in the mail for that account. I never checked the account. Just after May 1, I got this letter from Blackwell. I tried to go into my account to see what happened to my payment. I could see the double payment on that account, so I was paid a year in advance for that week. I called Concord. The man was very nice. He said he could not get into it either because my account had been sent over to their recovery department which is Blackwell. But he could see my other account and the double payment. He said he would if he could transfer the money over, but he could not access my account either. He said I needed to call Blackwell. I tried to explain this to the Blackwell guy. He said he didnt care. I was delinguent and that was all there was to it. Pay up. He wanted a payment right then and there. I hung up. I sent the payment by mail. Then my account was open again and I could see how they added the late fees month by month. They do not send you notices that you are late. They just hand you over to Blackwell. I am curious to what would have happened next if I didnt pay.

 

[Sammy1234]

That is what happened to me last year. I have two account numbers because I have 2 weeks. I had made a double payment on one, leaving the other deliquent. I did not realize it. It didn't register that I had not recieved a payment confirmation in the mail for that account. I never checked the account. Just after May 1, I got this letter from Blackwell. I tried to go into my account to see what happened to my payment. I could see the double payment on that account, so I was paid a year in advance for that week. I called Concord. The man was very nice. He said he could not get into it either because my account had been sent over to their recovery department which is Blackwell. But he could see my other account and the double payment. He said he would if he could transfer the money over, but he could not access my account either. He said I needed to call Blackwell. I tried to explain this to the Blackwell guy. He said he didnt care. I was delinguent and that was all there was to it. Pay up. He wanted a payment right then and there. I hung up. I sent the payment by mail. Then my account was open again and I could see how they added the late fees month by month. They do not send you notices that you are late. They just hand you over to Blackwell. I am curious to what would have happened next if I didnt pay.

We did not pay last year because I kept calling Eagle Village to stay there a week last summer. Nobody ever answered the phone and when I tried to book online on their website, it didn't matter what date I put in, nothing was available. Then I noticed the very low rating on their reviews and thought there is no way we are paying the maintenance fees when they obviously have not been using them for maintenance. They sent us over to Blackwell Recovery. I can't say what's going on now because we have an attorney, but I can say, that we have been told not to worry about a credit hit. When we need to trade in our car and need a loan, the bank will see that you have been paying all your other obligations on time and you can send the bank a letter explaining why you have not paid your timeshare maintenance fees and some pictures of how bad it is and that RCI suspended them, and it should not be a problem getting a loan.
This part I read online so not sure if it is true, but supposedly if it does go to Blackwell and they start calling you, if you send them a letter saying to stop calling you and they still keep calling you, it's a violation of the FTC Act. Plus, if they contact your employer or other family members, its definitely a FTC Act violation.

 

[nellevad]

Not quite sure what you mean. You didn't pay your MF for last year and then tried to use your week? And why would you book online? Owners don't book online. And Eagle Village doesnt have a booking website. They use third parties like Booking.com to rent deliquent weeks. And then your lawyer said to not worry because you have met your financial obligations?? You just said you didn't pay last year's MFs. That is not fulfilling contractual obligations . How much are you paying this lawyer? I think you might be being told a line to string you along.

 

[Sammy1234]

Not quite sure what you mean. You didn't pay your MF for last year and then tried to use your week? And why would you book online? Owners don't book online. And Eagle Village doesnt have a booking website. They use third parties like Booking.com to rent deliquent weeks. And then your lawyer said to not worry because you have met your financial obligations?? You just said you didn't pay last year's MFs. That is not fulfilling contractual obligations . How much are you paying this lawyer? I think you might be being told a line to string you along.

I said I didn't pay AFTER I tried to book and no one answered the phone and I could not get any dates available online either and yes you can book online at Eagle Village. Right now they have an online booking for any Eagle Village timeshare member to stay there for a week for $320 which again I said after I read their horrible reviews is then when I decided not to pay the maintenance fees. There is no way I am sending money to people who are not using our money for what it is suppose to be used for, maintenance. I am not sending money to a resort where the people in the office are smoking pot in the office when families with young children could walk into at any time (at least go out back). i am not paying money to a resort that has a review saying, "honestly, it reminded me of a third world country. "Its time these people who are supposed to be taking care of the resort to be held liable for their actions or should I say lack of actions. Have you ever looked at the pictures people have posted on the reviews on Trip Advisor? Some of the pictures are absolutely disgusting. When a landlord does not do maintenance and a rental is deemed uninhabitable, the renter does not have to pay the landlord. These pictures on Trip Advisor look like these units should be uninhabitable, so why should we have to pay them. You mentioned in your post that I am not fulfilling contractual obligations is absurd. You want to talk about not fulfilling contractual obligations, you should be pointing your finger at Eagle Village.

 

[nellevad]

Let's start over. I apologize. I meant no disrespect. I am only trying to figure out why your experience is so different from mine. I am a weeks owner. Are you a points or weeks? Also, could you tell me the website you book through? I'm thinking you might be a floating points owner. I never have to book. I simple call them up at the office and tell them I am coming to use my week/unit. Last year, 2023, I had no problem contacting them and I actually rented out both my weeks and had no complaints from the renters. My units do not look like those pics on Trip Advisor. This year will obviously be different. I will not rent until I can visit again.it would help if we can sort this out, for I feel we are on the same side. I just don't understand your situation.

 

[Sammy1234]

Let's start over. I apologize. I meant no disrespect. I am only trying to figure out why your experience is so different from mine. I am a weeks owner. Are you a points or weeks? Also, could you tell me the website you book through? I'm thinking you might be a floating points owner. I never have to book. I simple call them up at the office and tell them I am coming to use my week/unit. Last year, 2023, I had no problem contacting them and I actually rented out both my weeks and had no complaints from the renters. My units do not look like those pics on Trip Advisor. This year will obviously be different. I will not rent until I can visit again.it would help if we can sort this out, for I feel we are on the same side. I just don't understand your situation.

Thank you, I actually thought at first that you were someone from Eagle Village posting. If you look through the post, several other people have tried calling the office and could not get anyone to answer.
I can't explain why you renters had no problems because if you Google Eagle Village reviews several sites come up like Yelp and Trip Advisor and its just complaint after complaint, but every once in awhile, you get a really good review which I cannot explain the reason for that unless they have a couple of units that they fixed up and use them for non members. There are reviews where the people said, they paid for a week but it was so bad that they packed up the next morning and went to a hotel. Numerous post about roaches and mice droppings and pictures of the heating vents inside with mold growing on them. Just got company and will finish it later.