RCI Suspended Eagle Village Tamiment

[Sammy1234]

I filed a complaint with the attorney general and I just received an email that says they forwarded to consumer protection. I doubt it will go anywhere maybe owners should just call the partner company and see if they would rather just buy shares from the owner's directly and not eagle village.

Thanks for filing a complaint. I still feel if everyone would also file a complaint, especially if everyone started now and got it filed within the next week, and especially make sure to mention about them getting suspended from RCI , I really think they would take notice and do something. Really, its worth a try and less expensive than hiring an attorney to file a class action lawsuit. Filing a complaint with the Attorney General's Office is easy, just go to their website and you can file it right online and there is no cost.

 

[Saworkman01]

Hoping Saworkman01 got to the meeting and will inform us all on what was said.

Hello all,

I just got home from vacation. I did attend the meeting. Notably the Board President did not attend the meeting. The short version is that John Oakes is interested in heavily investing in Eagle Village in return for the usage rights to our delinquent owner weeks. His company owns the Pocono Park venue nearby and aims to revitalize the area. EV currently manages and attempts to rent out delinquent owner weeks. It is one of the ways we have stayed afloat. He stated his company would be interested in eventually acquiring those weeks but for now the right to manage those weeks (and the revenue) is being negotiated. Each unit and each week is a legal mess when heirs and/or unreachable owners are involved. It could take years to work through. We did not receive a spreadsheet showing current detailed financials so it's hard to say how in the red we are but it is clear without an injection of cash EV will not survive on the current trajectory. John discussed plans to renovate a percentage of units and spruce up all the others while those await further renovations. This plan would allow EV to get back in good graces with RCI in the very near future. Ideally by Spring we'd be reinstated while EV works through the corrective action plan. Many owners spoke up about the lack of communication and failing to return our calls. Stephanie Mills blamed it on staffing not being able to handle the call volume. I complained about the lack of updates to our website and Facebook account because in the modern world you must have an online presence to attract guests and new owners. Stephanie recommended owners email her instead of calling. I emailed her on 2/13 and have yet to receive a reply. Hope this helps.

 

[mcara00]

Hello all,

I just got home from vacation. I did attend the meeting. Notably the Board President did not attend the meeting. The short version is that John Oakes is interested in heavily investing in Eagle Village in return for the usage rights to our delinquent owner weeks. His company owns the Pocono Park venue nearby and aims to revitalize the area. EV currently manages and attempts to rent out delinquent owner weeks. It is one of the ways we have stayed afloat. He stated his company would be interested in eventually acquiring those weeks but for now the right to manage those weeks (and the revenue) is being negotiated. Each unit and each week is a legal mess when heirs and/or unreachable owners are involved. It could take years to work through. We did not receive a spreadsheet showing current detailed financials so it's hard to say how in the red we are but it is clear without an injection of cash EV will not survive on the current trajectory. John discussed plans to renovate a percentage of units and spruce up all the others while those await further renovations. This plan would allow EV to get back in good graces with RCI in the very near future. Ideally by Spring we'd be reinstated while EV works through the corrective action plan. Many owners spoke up about the lack of communication and failing to return our calls. Stephanie Mills blamed it on staffing not being able to handle the call volume. I complained about the lack of updates to our website and Facebook account because in the modern world you must have an online presence to attract guests and new owners. Stephanie recommended owners email her instead of calling. I emailed her on 2/13 and have yet to receive a reply. Hope this helps.

Thanks for attending and reporting back to us.
How does one email Stephanie?
Was there any mention of an option to give the unit back to EV or Pocono Park?

 

[nellevad]

Hello all,

I just got home from vacation. I did attend the meeting. Notably the Board President did not attend the meeting. The short version is that John Oakes is interested in heavily investing in Eagle Village in return for the usage rights to our delinquent owner weeks. His company owns the Pocono Park venue nearby and aims to revitalize the area. EV currently manages and attempts to rent out delinquent owner weeks. It is one of the ways we have stayed afloat. He stated his company would be interested in eventually acquiring those weeks but for now the right to manage those weeks (and the revenue) is being negotiated. Each unit and each week is a legal mess when heirs and/or unreachable owners are involved. It could take years to work through. We did not receive a spreadsheet showing current detailed financials so it's hard to say how in the red we are but it is clear without an injection of cash EV will not survive on the current trajectory. John discussed plans to renovate a percentage of units and spruce up all the others while those await further renovations. This plan would allow EV to get back in good graces with RCI in the very near future. Ideally by Spring we'd be reinstated while EV works through the corrective action plan. Many owners spoke up about the lack of communication and failing to return our calls. Stephanie Mills blamed it on staffing not being able to handle the call volume. I complained about the lack of updates to our website and Facebook account because in the modern world you must have an online presence to attract guests and new owners. Stephanie recommended owners email her instead of calling. I emailed her on 2/13 and have yet to receive a reply. Hope this helps.

Thankyou! This is exactly what I thought was happening. John Oakes is NCSC Highland, LLC. They own everything around EV except for the residential The Glen at Tamiment. They even own the lake. I can't stress that enough. They also own on the other side of Bushkill Falls Rd, which would allow them to widen the road with turn lanes. IMO, which is really just a guess, his company will eventually buy out EV and Eagle Point, next door. He is spending big, and we are in the way, and he will not want to wait for years to get his money's worth while our BOD just offers excuses. The real problem is our board, and he probably is way ahead of them. So, he will probably invest in the units close to the recreation center first, and whichever other units are not that bad so he can rent out this year. Watch for ads about EV on Poconos Park website. They already have 3 big venues scheduled this year and more to come. Many current owners are probably in the dark because they have not been on this website. And of course there is no communication from our board. So there will be more delinquent Maintenance fees. But, maybe with his interest in this property, there will be a buyout offered to delinquent owners that will not end in legal forfeitures and credit hits. So, I'm thinking we are seeing the death throes of EV. I'm also thinking John Oakes is hoping for delinquent owners. After all, his company is a Recovery Company that scoops up bad debt. And EV is a bad debt. He is a master at this game.

 

[SpaceCoastFlorida]

Thank you to all above for the EV information. Long time owner (1981!). Haven't been back since we moved away 20 years ago. We haven't paid our Maintenance fee yet because we were waiting for the info from the meeting. I think(?) good news came out of it? All the Lawyer talk scares me a bit... John Oakes can just have my week if he wants... Should we pay? Hold out? We own a fixed Xmas Treehouse week. Have people actually been 'showing up' for their timeshare week vacations? Or is Eagle Village closed down? So confusing with no information available. Expedia is showing $145- per night but calls it a 'campground'.

 

[nellevad]

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Thank you to all above for the EV information. Long time owner (1981!). Haven't been back since we moved away 20 years ago. We haven't paid our Maintenance fee yet because we were waiting for the info from the meeting. I think(?) good news came out of it? All the Lawyer talk scares me a bit... John Oakes can just have my week if he wants... Should we pay? Hold out? We own a fixed Xmas Treehouse week. Have people actually been 'showing up' for their timeshare week vacations? Or is Eagle Village closed down? So confusing with no information available. Expedia is showing $145- per night but calls it a 'campground'.

Yes, I have been there as recently as 2021. If you go on AirBnB. Search places to stay in Bushkill Tamiment you will see recent pictures. I have 2 listing, a tree house and a townhouse that I rent every year.

 

[nellevad]

Correction. Only my pictures are recent. The other 2 listing are from 1985, judging from the size of the trees.

 

[LisaC]

Thank you to all above for the EV information. Long time owner (1981!). Haven't been back since we moved away 20 years ago. We haven't paid our Maintenance fee yet because we were waiting for the info from the meeting. I think(?) good news came out of it? All the Lawyer talk scares me a bit... John Oakes can just have my week if he wants... Should we pay? Hold out? We own a fixed Xmas Treehouse week. Have people actually been 'showing up' for their timeshare week vacations? Or is Eagle Village closed down? So confusing with no information available. Expedia is showing $145- per night but calls it a 'campground'.

I am feeling if they have no contact with us, why should we pay?

 

[LisaC]

I am feeling if they have no contact with us, why should we pay?

Does anyone really think that RCI will reinstate us?

 

[Sammy1234]

Does anyone really think that RCI will reinstate us?

Good question and one I was thinking about too. Do we really think RCI is going to reinstate them just because they fix up a couple of units. What about amenities? Last I heard the pool was in bad shape and same with the rec. center. Who is going to want to stay somewhere with no amenities. Plus does this John Oakes really have the ability to revive the Pocono's? Wayne Newton could not do it. All the big plans for the Pocono's were hinged on casinos opening and that never happened. So what's up in the area now? The doll Museum? That probably isn't even there anymore. Last time I was up about 10 years ago, it was nothing but closed up hotels.

 

[slarney77]

I think John Oakes is looking to get a hotel rooms for his venue for the least amount of money to spend or invest what does he really care either way if RCI does not reinstate eagle village. Does anybody know the percentage of weeks that have been abandoned is it more than 50%

 

[nellevad]

I think John Oakes is looking to get a hotel rooms for his venue for the least amount of money to spend or invest what does he really care either way if RCI does not reinstate eagle village. Does anybody know the percentage of weeks that have been abandoned is it more than 50%

Looks quite different now. There is a huge Adventure center with ziplines on rte 209. Many restaurants too. The letter said less than 50 % are owned now.

 

[Sammy1234]

I thought maybe the Pocono is making a comeback, so I googled things to do in the Poconos. Camelback for skiing came up, a tour of the Delaware Water Gap, candle making and a water park that got terrible reviews like - outdated, cockroaches, rude staff. The Pocono Park venue that John Oakes developed has three events listed in May, July and September and they are mostly punk and heavy metal bands. Sounds like a dream destination vacation spot.

 

[Saworkman01]

Thanks for attending and reporting back to us.
How does one email Stephanie?
Was there any mention of an option to give the unit back to EV or Pocono Park?

Well, I still have not received a response so best of luck. Her email is smills@eaglevillagepoa.com
They accepted names at the meeting of owners that wanted to be contacted to work on giving back their weeks to EV. They mentioned the amount is negotiated case by case and has run between $2000-$3000.

 

[slarney77]

When I spoke to somebody at eagle village as a person at the desk this is a while ago they gave me a number of somebody in East Stroudsburg that they do deal with for buying and selling timeshares I can't remember the guy's name but he was saying it was 1500 during the pandemic and they sent out notices to all the owners I can't remember if they did or didn't send me a notice I would like to know where they're getting their figures of value I saw people selling eagle village timeshares for a dollar online

 

[mcara00]

I know I did not receive anything from EV about selling or giving back my timeshare before or during Covid. I wrote them two years ago about giving it back saying that they were going to get it eventually anyway as I have no children and my will says to give it to EV and absolutely not to anyone else. I am in my early 70s so it won’t be long and I don’t have much to lose by defaulting anyway. I got no reply.
I am assuming the 2000-3000 figure is what EV would charge owners to take the TS back and not a sales price - correct? Seems like a lot of money to give them just to transfer a deed back to a developer - in fact, it sounds like a scam.

 

[slarney77]

I know I did not receive anything from EV about selling or giving back my timeshare before or during Covid. I wrote them two years ago about giving it back saying that they were going to get it eventually anyway as I have no children and my will says to give it to EV and absolutely not to anyone else. I am in my early 70s so it won’t be long and I don’t have much to lose by defaulting anyway. I got no reply.
I am assuming the 2000-3000 figure is what EV would charge owners to take the TS back and not a sales price - correct? Seems like a lot of money to give them just to transfer a deed back to a developer - in fact, it sounds like a scam.

Or a last ditch money grab the fee to record a deed is 150 I believe

 

[nellevad]

There is no developer anymore. That fee goes to the exit compan y. EV gets nothing but the deed .

 

[nellevad]

My timeshare resort is shutting down - what are my options? - RedWeek.com

I just got a notice that my timeshare resort in Reno, Nevada, is going out of business at the end of the year, too broke to continue. They want me to sign a deed-back where I just give up my timeshare, for no money. I have enjoyed vacationing at the Plaza Resort Club for a long time. Should I...

www.redweek.com

Here is an interesting article. It's long, but it's explains what might ultimately happen to EV.

 

[Arwen]

Hello, Just joined this forum. Own at EV. This is the only place I was able to get info about what is happening. I think I have another reason why they are in financial trouble. In 2013 we exchanged our home resort through RCI for a week in July at EV. We liked it. 11 years ago it was nice. We were approached about buying a week. We said we already had paid off 2 mortgages on 2 different timeshares and did not want another mortgage. It was explained to us that we could get a week if we agreed to just take over the maintenance fee for a unit and pay the one-time $150 for registering the deed. We could not believe this was true. Most timeshares resell units that are repossessed and thus make all that money over again along with the maintenance fee. The offer was true. We have a one page "cash contract" showing the maintenance fee for 2013 and the $150 for the deed. We have no actual purchase contract. For 11 years (we paid the 2024 fee in Sept. of last year) we have paid the fee and my husband has gone to the resort in the spring to go fishing with a group of friends. (We have floating time and did not ever bank EV with RCI as my husband uses it for his annual fishing trips.) I do not know how many units were let go for the cost of someone paying just the maintanance fee and not resold to make the resort more money. We were shown a list of about 12 units that were available for the offer we got in 2013. Did anyone else buy in in this manner?

 

[nellevad]

My timeshare resort is shutting down - what are my options? - RedWeek.com

I just got a notice that my timeshare resort in Reno, Nevada, is going out of business at the end of the year, too broke to continue. They want me to sign a deed-back where I just give up my timeshare, for no money. I have enjoyed vacationing at the Plaza Resort Club for a long time. Should I...

www.redweek.com

Here is an interesting article. It's long, but it's explains what might ultimately happen to EV

 

[nellevad]

Resorts like EV do not have managing companies who do the reselling and get the money. RCI used to have a representative on the property to sell their points system. They made money. Also, the developer transfered the ownership of the resort to the POA decades ago in the 1980's, so there is no developer anymore. They are long gone. EV' s POA cannot "sell" forclosed weeks because it is a not for profit entity. Their interest is in only reestablishing maintenance fees. They did well in getting new owners when they could, as you shared. But it appears they have given up on that. It all comes down to loss of maintenance fees. No MF's no upkeep. Then, there reaches a breaking point.

 

[Sammy1234]

So just wondering now that we have a little bit of an idea what is going on, what is everybody's thought about what we are going to do. Are you going to pay your maintenance fees or still continue riding it out and not paying them and see if they do anything.

 

[nellevad]

Mine is paid. I don't want a collection fee of 185.00 on top of the MF, and I sure don't want to pay forclosure fees. I really do believe this will be settled one way or another in a year. After all, not paying MF's only makes the situation worse. If they offer a free deed back, I will jump at it, but I'm not paying thousands to anyone to get out of the contract.

 

[slarney77]

So if eagle village is not for profit then where do they come up with two to $3,000 when you could register a deed with Pike county for $150 when I inherited my time share they gave a price I think it was about $2,000 to have it put in my name some of the fees were waived and I think it was $1,000 it was a while ago my question is in a deed back situation shouldn't the Price be only 150 dollars that you're signing it back to them who gets the rest of the money when they give the price of 2 to 3,000 is it the timeshare sales person that they use it just doesn't smell right to me the question of paying my maintenance fee I don't think I'll be paying it this year since I paid it all these years and it doesn't seem like they've done any maintenance on the properties the good reviews they get are few and far between and to be honest I think they're either paid for you see one set of people say all horrible it is and then some people say it's the most wonderful place on Earth even if you split the difference the bad reviews outweigh the good reviews you can't get a hold of anybody in the office if they really cared about the owners they would have made it a point to keep people abreast of the situation and giving people a choice either and the timeshare ownership or continue did John Oakes do a cash contract for all the weeks that were abandoned he can take mine now I'll never use it I have a house in the Poconos