Points deposit / usage order

[sandkastle4966]

Gosh - I started all this....and all I really want to figure out is:
should I book a "fake reservation" to use all my "this year points" - to force using my "pooled/pushed" points for what I WILL use, then cancel the fake, so I have points to RCI deposit or push ...at the end of the year !

 

[Braindead]

Gosh - I started all this....and all I really want to figure out is:
should I book a "fake reservation" to use all my "this year points" - to force using my "pooled/pushed" points for what I WILL use, then cancel the fake, so I have points to RCI deposit or push ...at the end of the year !

If you’re talking about current use year points. An easy test for you is to look at the amount of points that are available for deposit. Then make a random reservation & then see if the points that are available for deposit are still there.

 

[raygo123]

Gosh - I started all this....and all I really want to figure out is:
should I book a "fake reservation" to use all my "this year points" - to force using my "pooled/pushed" points for what I WILL use, then cancel the fake, so I have points to RCI deposit or push ...at the end of the year !

No.

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[raygo123]

Gosh - I started all this....and all I really want to figure out is:
should I book a "fake reservation" to use all my "this year points" - to force using my "pooled/pushed" points for what I WILL use, then cancel the fake, so I have points to RCI deposit or push ...at the end of the year !

I booked a reservation for February for two weeks in Florida. I booked it with a RARP. It was for 200,000 points.since the RARP will use any points, when I finally deposit 262,000 points into 2021 even though they're not deposited yet it will use my deposit forward points first even though they were not in my account prior to making the reservation. Why? Because I used no benefit. RARP is based on how many points I bought not what kind of points it is.

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[capital city]

So is Arp, so dont we all agree that points are allocations not buckets? I'm sorry but it feels like we keep talking in circles and your only thing against that is what someone has told you instead of the proof the system has shown.

 

[dgalati]

Gosh - I started all this....and all I really want to figure out is:
should I book a "fake reservation" to use all my "this year points" - to force using my "pooled/pushed" points for what I WILL use, then cancel the fake, so I have points to RCI deposit or push ...at the end of the year !

I like the use of this strategy. Please post the results so we all can utilize this loophole if needed.

 

[dgalati]

You should NOT be able to save More than your annual allotment, if you can then there is an error in the logic in the system.

Loophole not logic.

 

[Sandy VDH]

Loophole not logic.

Unintended Loophole then, if you can save more than your annual allotment. I never end up saving my entire amount so I have never try to verify the logic or the numbers.

 

[Braindead]

Loophole not logic.

Unintended Loophole then, if you can save more than your annual allotment.

No one has claimed that you can deposit more than your ownership total points for the current use year into a future use year.
There is no loophole, it’s just his typical stirring of the pot trying to cause conflict & confusion. Especially troubling when dgalati is NOT even a Wyndham owner

 

[raygo123]

Dale, I think you can only use them for standard reservations. Which is after the 10 month booking window. So if it’s for a reservation in the ARP period you would have to use unbanked, non-borrowed, current year points.

Taken from Wyndham timeshare users group

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[raygo123]

Raymond Gonsowski no. My response is to 'unless explicitly requested otherwise. You can no longer do that, but they simply determine by math since all expire on same date. If you have used all 154,000 for ARP, you would need to use your banked points this year. If you only used 100,000 points during ARP, and you used 54,000 points for another reservation after 10 months you would be able to bank the remainder points before the last date that your ownership allows you to do so. If y

That's all I could get it to copy.

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[capital city]

Ok first a recap of what I own
All are July 1 - June 30th use year

CWA 500,000
Panama City Beach 520,000
Royal Vista 269,000

I cancelled a Nashville reservation for June that I had booked within the 10 month window so no arp was used when I made the reservation. I pushed these points to my next use year July 1 2020. I had zero points available before this deposit

I then tried to book Great Smokies lodge and Bonnett Creek. Over 10 months it said not enough points but within 10 months obviously it allowed with my deposited points. I thought well I was wrong. Then remembered that I had used all my CWA points for arp next year. So I went back and tried arp for Royal Vista- IT ALLOWED. I thought well maybe they were coded Royal Vista so I tried Panama City- IT ALLOWED. I have no use for these points right now so I will likely have them July 1 when I will see if I can points deposit them again since I obviously havent deposited any from next year yet since I'm not allowed yet it should allow me since I haven't used my allotment.

Summary- We are solely dealing with allotments, No more buckets. With this virus stopping all vacations, if done properly you will be able to push all points to next year. Use all the arp you are allowed and redeposit the deposited points. I personally love this and see nothing wrong with and dont see how it hurts Wyndham at all so hopefully when they release another website it stays.

 

[raygo123]

Ok first a recap of what I own
All are July 1 - June 30th use year

CWA 500,000
Panama City Beach 520,000
Royal Vista 269,000

I cancelled a Nashville reservation for June that I had booked within the 10 month window so no arp was used when I made the reservation. I pushed these points to my next use year July 1 2020. I had zero points available before this deposit

I then tried to book Great Smokies lodge and Bonnett Creek. Over 10 months it said not enough points but within 10 months obviously it allowed with my deposited points. I thought well I was wrong. Then remembered that I had used all my CWA points for arp next year. So I went back and tried arp for Royal Vista- IT ALLOWED. I thought well maybe they were coded Royal Vista so I tried Panama City- IT ALLOWED. I have no use for these points right now so I will likely have them July 1 when I will see if I can points deposit them again since I obviously havent deposited any from next year yet since I'm not allowed yet it should allow me since I haven't used my allotment.

Summary- We are solely dealing with allotments, No more buckets. With this virus stopping all vacations, if done properly you will be able to push all points to next year. Use all the arp you are allowed and redeposit the deposited points. I personally love this and see nothing wrong with and dont see how it hurts Wyndham at all so hopefully when they release another website it stays.

Did you buy from Wyndham or resale? Are you VIP and what level? Last how far in advance did you book Royal Vista and Panama City Beach?

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[capital city]

All resale, and it allowed me anything over 10 months up to 13 months out

 

[raygo123]

All resale, and it allowed me anything over 10 months up to 13 months out

But you own what you said you booked. You used benefit points for both . Try that with something you don't own at.

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[capital city]

WTF

 

[Sandy VDH]

Summary- We are solely dealing with allotments, No more buckets. With this virus stopping all vacations, if done properly you will be able to push all points to next year. Use all the arp you are allowed and redeposit the deposited points. I personally love this and see nothing wrong with and dont see how it hurts Wyndham at all so hopefully when they release another website it stays.

You are likely in a good position to answer this question definitively.

My assumption on how they implemented it appears to works based on math and allocation of points in a year. It is blind to the type of points that it is. What the intended rule is and what was systematically implemented it two completely different things.

There are limits that it calculates on if you use ARP in a year. There are limits it calculates if you save. I suspect, but have yet to prove that currently the system is NOT smart enough to know if you ARP then it should remove that total from the amount you can save, but I don't think it was implemented with the AND logic when it checks totals. Save and ARP are checking the limits, but Save is not removing the ARP from the calculation. If that is the case then you can save this year. ARP next year and still save.

Doesn't mean that Wyndham, once they read. this figures out their error in logic and fixes it, but it would nice to understand exactly how the system functions now.

 

[capital city]

I'm not sure why Wynhdam would actually care. To me this makes their accounting so much simpler for them and also to explain and help us. Make everyone have the same use year and have allotments instead of buckets. That way when someone cancels who cares where the points go back as long as they go back at all the allotments still allow the proper arp and points deposit that they deserve.

 

[Sandy VDH]

I'm not sure why Wyndham would actually care. To me this makes their accounting so much simpler for them and also to explain and help us. Make everyone have the same use year and have allotments instead of buckets. That way when someone cancels who cares where the points go back as long as they go back at all the allotments still allow the proper arp and points deposit that they deserve.

They may not care, but it was never intended that you save point from last year, book ARP this year and then also save your allotment for next year just because the logic allows it. The logic should be to take Max Points less ARP with the balance as the total that should be what is available for saving.

There are the rules and then there is what is systematically enforced. Those are two completely different things. But we have yet to prove what the system logic is that was really implemented. As a Business Analyst I can tell you that understanding requirements can be tricky and interpreted wrong and then implemented wrong.

There was a loophole in the logic at HGVC that I exploited for years, they finally a few years ago corrected that logic.

 

[dgalati]

They may not care, but it was never intended that you save point from last year, book ARP this year and then also save your allotment for next year just because the logic allows it. The logic should be to take Max Points less ARP with the balance as the total that should be what is available for saving.

There are the rules and then there is what is systematically enforced. Those are two completely different things. But we have yet to prove what the system logic is that was really implemented. As a Business I can tell you that understanding requirements can be tricky and interpreted wrong and then implemented wrong.

There was a loophole in the logic at HGVC that I exploited for years, they finally a few years ago corrected that logic.

Well said. I would recommend using any loophole you can to your advantage.

 

[capital city]

Were on the same page, hope you dont think I'm arguing with you. I'm pretty sure I remember VC's telling us in the beginning that we were dealing with allotments or allocations instead of buckets now. It is a simple system for them to manage and explain to owners and I dont know how it hurts anyone. Essentially your just prepaying for a year in a advance to maintain your arp and to have the flexibility. And their rules I think for the most part hold true. I cant deposit royal vista points for next year and then add them to that years royal vista points to make a bigger reservation.

 

[raygo123]

Were on the same page, hope you dont think I'm arguing with you. I'm pretty sure I remember VC's telling us in the beginning that we were dealing with allotments or allocations instead of buckets now. It is a simple system for them to manage and explain to owners and I dont know how it hurts anyone. Essentially your just prepaying for a year in a advance to maintain your arp and to have the flexibility. And their rules I think for the most part hold true. I cant deposit royal vista points for next year and then add them to that years royal vista points to make a bigger reservation.

Not me! Call it buckets or a simple math equation or allotments. Your all wrong. If you use your bucket points or simple math points or alloted points during arp it takes away from your ability to deposit forward use year points.

No way can you have the ability to deposit forward up to the number of use year points you own no matter how you use them. If you use all your use year points during ARP you will end up with the inability to deposit any points forward. Wyndham is tracking points. Points are not points it does matter you just will not see it. Im going to remain calling them buckets. You can call it what ever.

The only way to ensure you can deposit all your points left over is by using a RARP which uses deposit points and resale points first or book during the ten month window.


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[bnoble]

There may be joint accounting between ARP and forward depost; I have a converted fixed week that I never anticipate using for ARP so I don't particularly care. There is at least one other combination that is *not* jointly accounted-for (even though my reading of the rules suggest it should be.)

 

[raygo123]

There may be joint accounting between ARP and forward depost; I have a converted fixed week that I never anticipate using for ARP so I don't particularly care. There is at least one other combination that is *not* jointly accounted-for (even though my reading of the rules suggest it should be.)

When you use your ARP isn't that done outside the club? I owned at FoxRun and when I converted that's when I was told that. Sorta like using a PIC.

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[bnoble]

I have no idea, because it's a week I don't expect to personally use given my own work schedule.