Points deposit / usage order

[sandkastle4966]

Know this has been discussed, can't find in directory.

What is the points usage order if you have used the points deposit feature?

Is it "usage year first" then "rolled forward points" or the other way around?

(I had it down for the credit pool usage...)

thanks,
sandkastle

 

[raygo123]

Benefit points first at ten months deposit points first. Unless gold using RARP then. Deposit first or resale.

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[tschwa2]

They don't really have buckets. You can't use more than your annual points for ARP and you can't deposit more than your annual points to the following year. Other than that it doesn't really matter. So if you get 200,000 points per year and deposit them into the following year, you would still only have 200,000 you could use for arp (not 400,000) and you could only deposit forward 200,000 points into the next year.

 

[Braindead]

Simply put, you can deposit up to your total use year points no matter what.
Example:
A VIP Platinum has 1,000,000 points Annually with a use year starting January 1.
1,000,000 2019 points & didn’t use any points in 2019 so on December 30,1019 they deposited all 1,000,000 points into 2020
Before January 1, 2020 they have already used all 1,000,000 2020 points for reservations before depositing the 2019 points.
January 2, 2020 they can deposit 1,000,000 to 2021.
Technically they’re depositing the same 1,000,000 points from 2019 points again.
So now the 2019 points were deposited to 2020 & yet the same points are eligible to be deposited again from 2020 to 2021.
If it wasn’t this way the VIPP benefit of being able to deposit points until December 31 in the example would be greatly diminished.

 

[Sandy VDH]

They got rid of the concept of using the "right" points, and now thankfully they just look at total points.

So by that rule the deposited points will always be the ones used first. For example you have 500K in points per year. last year you saved 300K into this year. So now you have 800K. You book reservations. The system will know at the end of the year you can only save A MAX of 500K points into the next year. If you have more left then you will lose those. If you have less then that is the max you can save.

The system is blind to which points you are using.

 

[raygo123]

They got rid of the concept of using the "right" points, and now thankfully they just look at total points.

So by that rule the deposited points will always be the ones used first. For example you have 500K in points per year. last year you saved 300K into this year. So now you have 800K. You book reservations. The system will know at the end of the year you can only save A MAX of 500K points into the next year. If you have more left then you will lose those. If you have less then that is the max you can save.

The system is blind to which points you are using.

So you saying if you have 1000000 pointd say half CWA. Anf half select snd also deposited forward point of 500000 and you book with ARP all your CWA POINTS. AND ALSO booked the other 500000 select points at your home resort at 13 months you will still be anle to deposit forward 500000 points? I dont think so.

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[capital city]

So you saying if you have 1000000 pointd say half CWA. Anf half select snd also deposited forward point of 500000 and you book with ARP all your CWA POINTS. AND ALSO booked the other 500000 select points at your home resort at 13 months you will still be anle to deposit forward 500000 points? I dont think so.

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Yes, that's how it works now. That's why I've said all along that once everyone gets use to pushing points forward it will be better then the credit pool because the credit pool knew where points belonged. If I have 300,000 Panama city points and push them to next year then I also arp 4th of july my next use year points of 300,000. You would think that I couldnt push the other points next year because they are obviously the points I've already pushed once but I can up to 300,000.

IMO it is a great system because it really doesnt cost Wyndham anything, if anything it makes it less confusing on the system and owner care reps. It makes it good for us because we dont have to keep up with it either and in the end once you get ahead it will feel much better going on vacation that you already paid for a year ago then to go on one knowing your paying for it the next year or 2 as it was with credit pool.

 

[raygo123]

Yes, that's how it works now. That's why I've said all along that once everyone gets use to pushing points forward it will be better then the credit pool because the credit pool knew where points belonged. If I have 300,000 Panama city points and push them to next year then I also arp 4th of july my next use year points of 300,000. You would think that I couldnt push the other points next year because they are obviously the points I've already pushed once but I can up to 300,000.

IMO it is a great system because it really doesnt cost Wyndham anything, if anything it makes it less confusing on the system and owner care reps. It makes it good for us because we dont have to keep up with it either and in the end once you get ahead it will feel much better going on vacation that you already paid for a year ago then to go on one knowing your paying for it the next year or 2 as it was with credit pool.

Are you suggesting that deposit forward points are used for ARP? Because points are points? Makes no sense. Otherwise the statement you can only use deposit forward points at ten months. Or use year points. It would say you can only deposit forward points up to the amount you own. You may not see the buckets believe me they still exist.

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[capital city]

Yes, essentially we are either using deposited points for arp or depositing predeposited points. Pick which one you prefer, that is the way it works now

 

[Braindead]

Are you suggesting that deposit forward points are used for ARP? Because points are points? Makes no sense. Otherwise the statement you can only use deposit forward points at ten months. Or use year points. It would say you can only deposit forward points up to the amount you own. You may not see the buckets believe me they still exist.

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Look at this way:
On December 1, 2019 a VIP Platinum owner with a January 1 use year could’ve used all 2020 use year points making reservations for January 2020 to September 2020. No ARP reservations were made so all ARP Allocations are still available.

Then December 15, 2019 deposit their unused 2019 points into 2020. On December 20, 2019 they could use those deposited points for a December 2020 ARP reservation. How could that be possible? The ARP allocation wasn’t used previously so it was still available to be used with deposited points.

I agree with capital city that it’s a great system the way it is!!

 

[raygo123]

Look at this way:
On December 1,2019 a VIP Platinum owner with a January 1 use year could’ve used all 2020 use year points making reservations for January 2020 to September 2020. No ARP reservations were made so all ARP Allocations are still available.

Then December 15, 2019 deposit their unused 2019 points into 2020. On December 20, 2019 they could use those deposited points for an ARP reservation in December 2020. The ARP allocation wasn’t used previously so it was still available to be used with deposited points.

I agree with capital city that it’s a great system the way it is!!

Say he owns 200,000 CWA. and deposit forward 100,000 points so I 2020 he has 300,000oints. He makes two 105,000 point reservations during ARP. How many points can he deposit forward at the end of the use year? None.

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[Braindead]

Say he owns 200,000 CWA. and deposit forward 100,000 points so I 2020 he has 300,000oints. He makes two 105,000 point reservations during ARP. How many points can he deposit forward at the end of the use year? None.

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You could deposit up to your annual ownership of 200,000. You couldn’t make 210,000 worth of ARP reservations due to your ARP allocation is 200,000. But say you made two 100,000 point ARP reservations in your example you’d have 100,000 points left & could deposit all 100,000 points to 2021 or 2022

 

[raygo123]

You could deposit up to your annual ownership of 200,000. In your example you’d have 90,000 points left & could deposit all 90,000 points to 2021 or 2022

Ok so same 200,000 points. And 100,000. A third reservation during ARP for 45,000 points is attempted does it go through? Or are those buckets now called benefit points designated per use year?

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[Braindead]

Ok so same 200,000 points. And 100,000. A third reservation during ARP for 45,000 points is attempted does it go through? Or are those buckets now called benefit points designated per use year?

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I corrected what you quoted. In either case the third ARP reservation for 45,000 points is denied as you’ve already used all 200,000 points ARP allocation.

 

[Braindead]

Ok so same 200,000 points. And 100,000. A third reservation during ARP for 45,000 points is attempted does it go through? Or are those buckets now called benefit points designated per use year?

I can tell you that all of my unused 2019 points that were deposited in December 2019 to 2020 were eligible to be deposited again on January 1, 2020 for deposit to 2021 or 2022 & are still available for deposit now. Every point I currently have available for 2020 is available for the points deposit also. Unless you want to get cute asking about points available for borrowing

 

[Sandy VDH]

Instead of using the right points, at the right time, there are NOW point totals maximums that you can hit each year. I like this way better then using the right points, because that was a struggle.

In a given year you have X points, lets assume all CWA (not PIC points). You are allowed to ARP up to that max each year. You can't ARP for more points than you are allocated in a single year. But the system NO longer cares if they are this years points or saved points from another year. You can ARP your max ONLY.

You are allowed to save up to the max amount you own each year, and move them into a future year (+1 or +2 years). If you have less points left than that is the amount you are allowed to save. But you have to remember when your timing window to do this is based on your level (ranges from use year start date +3 months for everyone, to end of use year for VIPP levels).

Now the system is completely blind on where the points originate. You can ARP up to the max you have for that resort or CWA, and you can save either the amount of points you have remaining or your annual allotment, which ever is lower.

Much easier now.

 

[Sandy VDH]

I can tell you that all of my unused 2019 points that were deposited in December 2019 to 2020 were eligible to be deposited again on January 1, 2020 for deposit to 2021 or 2022 & are still available for deposit now. Every point I currently have available for 2020 is available for the points deposit also. Unless you want to get cute asking about points available for borrowing

You should NOT be able to save More than your annual allotment, if you can then there is an error in the logic in the system.

 

[Cyrus24]

Let me weigh in with a different example using a more 'normal' scenario.

Owner has a 200,000 point annual CWA allotment with a January 1 account. No VIP, no PIC, just 200,000 CWA points.

- On March 1 of 2020, the owner has 100,000 points left for 2020 and no plans for using them.
- On March 1 of 2020, the owner moves those 100,000 2020 points to 2021.
- On March 2 of 2020, the owner attempts to book a 300,000 point Spring Break March 2021 vacation. The system says not enough points.
- So, on March 2 of 2020, the owner scales back the vacation plan and books a 200,000 point Spring Break March 2021 vacation. All is good. The CWA ARP for 2021 has been used for the Spring Break March 2021 vacation and the account has 100,000 points remaining in it for non-ARP vacations in 2021 (and express vacations in 2020)..
- Now, March 2021 rolls around. The 100,000 points moved into 2021 from 2020 are still available for use in 2021. But, the owner says, 'no more plans for 2021' and tries to move them to 2022. I don't think they can be moved.

The 200,000 2021 points allotment were used for a 2021 ARP reservation. While I agree that points are points for reservation purposes, I have to believe that the system knows that this user has used the entire 2021 points allotment benefit. I do not believe the the 100,000 points remaining in the account March of 2021 can be moved forward.

Like many others here, I'm VIPP with PICS. I take advantage of my discounts and seldom book use the ARP benefit. I probably will never run into a PDF problem. Those with accounts who really have to manage point use, could, if my assumption on how PDF works is correct. All this discussion on the PDF is one reason why I liked the Credit Pool, it was easy to use and understand.

 

[raygo123]

Let me weigh in with a different example using a more 'normal' scenario.

Owner has a 200,000 point annual CWA allotment with a January 1 account. No VIP, no PIC, just 200,000 CWA points.

- On March 1 of 2020, the owner has 100,000 points left for 2020 and no plans for using them.
- On March 1 of 2020, the owner moves those 100,000 2020 points to 2021.
- On March 2 of 2020, the owner attempts to book a 300,000 point Spring Break March 2021 vacation. The system says not enough points.
- So, on March 2 of 2020, the owner scales back the vacation plan and books a 200,000 point Spring Break March 2021 vacation. All is good. The CWA ARP for 2021 has been used for the Spring Break March 2021 vacation and the account has 100,000 points remaining in it for non-ARP vacations in 2021 (and express vacations in 2020)..
- Now, March 2021 rolls around. The 100,000 points moved into 2021 from 2020 are still available for use in 2021. But, the owner says, 'no more plans for 2021' and tries to move them to 2022. I don't think they can be moved.

The 200,000 2021 points allotment were used for a 2021 ARP reservation. While I agree that points are points for reservation purposes, I have to believe that the system knows that this user has used the entire 2021 points allotment benefit. I do not believe the the 100,000 points remaining in the account March of 2021 can be moved forward.

Like many others here, I'm VIPP with PICS. I take advantage of my discounts and seldom book use the ARP benefit. I probably will never run into a PDF problem. Those with accounts who really have to manage point use, could, if my assumption on how PDF works is correct. All this discussion on the PDF is one reason why I liked the Credit Pool, it was easy to use and understand.

Thats basicly what they told me when i called and asked. The so called buckets are still there. When braindead said his December 19 points were used for 2020. He forgot that the use year is 13 months booking ARP has 13 months to book. Even though he booked in December he was using 2020 points and benefits. If braindead moved all his 2020 points in january of 2020 because he had did that with 2019 points he would still have all his benefits. And could book ARP? I think he could based on my conversation.

Likewise if he used all his benefits which also totaled his use year points and he had points left over he has no use year points to deposit forward.

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[Xcalibur]

One thing to keep in mind is that pooled points can't be moved to rci if they don't get used in time. For that reason, it may be better to request to use the pooled points before the regular use year points.

 

[raygo123]

One thing to keep in mind is that pooled points can't be moved to rci if they don't get used in time. For that reason, it may be better to request to use the pooled points before the regular use year points.

I use RCI ALOT. I have cape cod band Quebec City booked this year and the fountains booked for spring break for my daughter. Being Platium I receive 63,000 points for every 35,000 I deposit?

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[Braindead]

You should NOT be able to save More than your annual allotment, if you can then there is an error in the logic in the system.

You are correct. I had already made 2020 reservations using more 2020 points than the 2019 points I deposited to 2020. So it didn’t put me over my 2020 use year points making them all eligible for the points deposit.

 

[Braindead]

Let me weigh in with a different example using a more 'normal' scenario.

Owner has a 200,000 point annual CWA allotment with a January 1 account. No VIP, no PIC, just 200,000 CWA points.

- On March 1 of 2020, the owner has 100,000 points left for 2020 and no plans for using them.
- On March 1 of 2020, the owner moves those 100,000 2020 points to 2021.
- On March 2 of 2020, the owner attempts to book a 300,000 point Spring Break March 2021 vacation. The system says not enough points.
- So, on March 2 of 2020, the owner scales back the vacation plan and books a 200,000 point Spring Break March 2021 vacation. All is good. The CWA ARP for 2021 has been used for the Spring Break March 2021 vacation and the account has 100,000 points remaining in it for non-ARP vacations in 2021 (and express vacations in 2020)..
- Now, March 2021 rolls around. The 100,000 points moved into 2021 from 2020 are still available for use in 2021. But, the owner says, 'no more plans for 2021' and tries to move them to 2022. I don't think they can be moved.

The 200,000 2021 points allotment were used for a 2021 ARP reservation. While I agree that points are points for reservation purposes, I have to believe that the system knows that this user has used the entire 2021 points allotment benefit. I do not believe the the 100,000 points remaining in the account March of 2021 can be moved forward.

Like many others here, I'm VIPP with PICS. I take advantage of my discounts and seldom book use the ARP benefit. I probably will never run into a PDF problem. Those with accounts who really have to manage point use, could, if my assumption on how PDF works is correct. All this discussion on the PDF is one reason why I liked the Credit Pool, it was easy to use and understand.

I’m not so sure. We need to leave this unresolved until someone post what the result was using most of their points for ARP reservations prior to depositing points into the same use year of the ARP reservations.

In my experience the Points page doesn’t effect the allocation on Exchanges page with Depositing points. Depositing allocation is set at your ownership total.
Has anyone else noticed on the Points page after depositing points that it increases your total use year points for the year the deposited points were put in?

 

[raygo123]

I’m not so sure. We need to leave this unresolved until someone post what the result was using most of their points for ARP reservations prior to depositing points into the same use year of the ARP reservations.

In my experience the Points page doesn’t effect the allocation on Exchanges page with Depositing points. Depositing allocation is set at your ownership total.
Has anyone else noticed on the Points page after depositing points that it increases your total use year points for the year the deposited points were put in?

If you look on the points page at the right top corner it tells you how many points you have for the year. If you deposited points it will be higher than your use year total.

I have seen on other WYNDHAM sites where owners have said that they were not able to deposit forward all their remaining point balance. If you make more 10 months reservations than you plan to deposit forward you will never run into a problem. As you deposit points will be used first.

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[Sandy VDH]

I likely am never going to get into the scenario to test saving points from previous year into a given year and then ARP all my points in that same year, can I still save that years allotment. But since I will NEVER ARP my whole allotment of points in any year, I can't test it out. Someone else will have to try.