Points deposit / usage order

[Braindead]

If you make more 10 months reservations than you plan to deposit forward you will never run into a problem. As you deposit points will be used first.

That’s just not true. Deposited points can’t be used before they’re deposited. In my own case or anyone with a VIPP using a January 1 use year that has deposited points in December have seen those same points available again for deposit in January.

 

[raygo123]

That’s just not true. Deposited points can’t be used before they’re deposited. In my own case or anyone with a VIPP using a January 1 use year that has deposited points in December have seen those same points available again for deposit in January.

Umm how did you read into that i said that? Your reference much earlier said something to the extent that you deposit before Jan one and those points were used first. In that case your "benefit" was used. At that point it is yet to be determined what points you can deposit forward.

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[Braindead]

Umm how did you read into that i said that? Your reference much earlier said something to the extent that you deposit before Jan one and those points were used first. In that case your "benefit" was used. At that point it is yet to be determined what points you can deposit forward.

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I give up

 

[raygo123]

I give up

And we'll you should. Lol.

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[CCdad]

I’m not so sure. We need to leave this unresolved until someone post what the result was using most of their points for ARP reservations prior to depositing points into the same use year of the ARP reservations.

In my experience the Points page doesn’t effect the allocation on Exchanges page with Depositing points. Depositing allocation is set at your ownership total.
Has anyone else noticed on the Points page after depositing points that it increases your total use year points for the year the deposited points were put in?

I agree with Cyprus24.

If you own X points for 2020 but have used them all for 2020 ARP(/RARP) reservations, that exhausts your 2020 points allotment to either PDF or even book RARP if that’s available to you as a reciprocal deeded or VIP owner.

It doesn’t matter when the 2020 ARP reservations we’re booked or whether PDF occurs before/after the 2020 ARP/RARP got booked.

The only way around this is if you cancel those 2020 ARP/RARP reservations prior to their scheduled check in. If any ARPs get cancelled, that should reset your 2020 points allotment to be able to be used for a PDF.

In the absence of having used 2020 owned (non-PIC) for ARP/RARP, then it doesn’t matter when the PDF into 2020 occurs or when non-ARP/RARP 2020 reservations got booked. Wyndham is programming the system such that all 2020 non-ARP/RARP reservations will exhaust the 2020 PDF points first.

FYI. The Points page also shows a running subtotal of your points transactions for each use year before the bottom of the page which lists each separate transaction. It starts with owned / contract award points, PIC points additions or PDF points, subtracts points used for reservations, etc. While it’s not perfect to be able to nail down PDF eligibility (unless they show separate line for ARP/RARP reservations), it’s somewhat useful.

 

[capital city]

I thought we already tested this a year or so ago and everyone was in agreement we were working with allotments now instead of buckets. It wouldnt be all the hard to prove and dont think it necessary needs to be a points deposit that settles it. If someone has used a good portion of next years points but not by using arp then they can if they have multiple contracts test to see if they still have full arp points for each contract. If they do then were dealing with allotments not buckets because those points would have had to been pulled out of one of those buckets to make the non arp reservation.

 

[paxsarah]

I thought we already tested this a year or so ago and everyone was in agreement we were working with allotments now instead of buckets. It wouldnt be all the hard to prove and dont think it necessary needs to be a points deposit that settles it. If someone has used a good portion of next years points but not by using arp then they can if they have multiple contracts test to see if they still have full arp points for each contract. If they do then were dealing with allotments not buckets because those points would have had to been pulled out of one of those buckets to make the non arp reservation.

I think that's not exactly the question at this point, though I agree with you that I think we're functioning in terms of allotments instead of buckets. The question seems to be, if I've used some or all of my use year points for ARP in a year where I also have some deposited points from a prior year, how many points can I then deposit to a future year or deposit to RCI? There seems to be some question if, say, I have 200,000 UY points and 100,000 deposited into this year from a prior year, and I made an ARP reservation using 200,000 UY points, can I deposit any of the remaining points forward? The policy says no, but I'm not sure if the system allows it or not. And even if the system correctly prohibits it, I don't think it has to be in terms of buckets - it can still prohibit it based on adding all of the possible uses requiring UY points together to determine whether the allotment has been used up.

 

[capital city]

I actually just tried what I mentioned above. Thought I couldnt cause I used so many arp points for next year already but I think this works. I have 650,000 or so points left for next year. I have a 520,000 point Panama city contract and a 269,000 point Royal Vista contract that I have not used arp on. The system will allow me to still arp up those amounts at both places. Obviously I have pulled points for a regular reservation from at least 1 of those contracts yet the system doesnt care as it only sees allotments.

If it matters my other contract is a 500,000 CWA that I have used arp for
St. Thomas
Mardi Gras
Daytona 500
and have used a non arp for Bonnett Creek which should have drawn from one of the above contracts.

 

[raygo123]

I think that's not exactly the question at this point, though I agree with you that I think we're functioning in terms of allotments instead of buckets. The question seems to be, if I've used some or all of my use year points for ARP in a year where I also have some deposited points from a prior year, how many points can I then deposit to a future year or deposit to RCI? There seems to be some question if, say, I have 200,000 UY points and 100,000 deposited into this year from a prior year, and I made an ARP reservation using 200,000 UY points, can I deposit any of the remaining points forward? The policy says no, but I'm not sure if the system allows it or not. And even if the system correctly prohibits it, I don't think it has to be in terms of buckets - it can still prohibit it based on adding all of the possible uses requiring UY points together to determine whether the allotment has been used up.

Agreed. And I believe if your use points are used, access at 13 to 10 months your using use year points. And deeded at your home resort 13 or at 12 months still use year points. Now if you have VIP GOLD and at 11 months the system will use deposit forward points, and even resale points. ( Monkey wrench). And preserve your use year points. Another VIP gold could even steal your week. (RARP). That is what muddies the waters. In the end if you use all your use year points on ARP your left with zero points at the end of the year unless you deposit into RCI. IF YOU USE RARP at 11 months you maintain the use year points. It is that simple.

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[capital city]

Is it really that simple? I dont think Wyndham uses buckets for some areas and allotments for others. To me it's at least 90% likely that they use one or the other and with my test it shows arp is used for allotment not buckets and would be surprised to learn they use buckets for point deposits and Rci deposits.

 

[raygo123]

Is it really that simple? I dont think Wyndham uses buckets for some areas and allotments for others. To me it's at least 90% likely that they use one or the other and with my test it shows arp is used for allotment not buckets and would be surprised to learn they use buckets for point deposits and Rci deposits.

As I said in an earlier post buckets allotments Wyndham tracks points internally. Benifits determine if your using use year points. Use all your points on benefits and you have points leftover your only option will be RCI.

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[capital city]

I didnt think you could deposit into Rci points that were previously pushed forward.

Your saying that they internally have buckets for use year but not for arp?

 

[raygo123]

They don't really have buckets. You can't use more than your annual points for ARP and you can't deposit more than your annual points to the following year. Other than that it doesn't really matter. So if you get 200,000 points per year and deposit them into the following year, you would still only have 200,000 you could use for arp (not 400,000) and you could only deposit forward 200,000 points into the next year.

In the case in which an owner has 154,000 and 50,000 deposit forward points, if he uses the 154,000 points for ARP even though he has 154,000 use year points, has has zero points he can deposit forward. They really do have buckets, benefit buckets.

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[raygo123]

Yes, essentially we are either using deposited points for arp or depositing predeposited points. Pick which one you prefer, that is the way it works now

I wish you would stop saying that. It is not true!

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[paxsarah]

In the case in which an owner has 154,000 and 50,000 deposit forward points, if he uses the 154,000 points for ARP even though he has 154,000 use year points, has has zero points he can deposit forward. They really do have buckets, benefit buckets.

It still doesn't make it a bucket. It's very possible for them to simply do the math to see how many points have been used for actions requiring regular use year points (e.g. ARP, RCI deposit, points deposit, etc.), and stop allowing any additional actions once the number of regular UY points have been used. It's not a bucket - it's arithmetic.

 

[raygo123]

It still doesn't make it a bucket. It's very possible for them to simply do the math to see how many points have been used for actions requiring regular use year points (e.g. ARP, RCI deposit, points deposit, etc.), and stop allowing any additional actions once the number of regular UY points have been used. It's not a bucket - it's arithmetic.

Not buckets. Non relevant. You could say that about using the term before last May. Yet every one called them buckets. If you real further you would noticed another post I called them benefit points. I don't care for buckets either but what are you going to do? Then they were called buckets. All of this before and after May was nothing but math.thevfact remains points are being tracked. Simple if you use all your benefits before ten months you have nothing to deposit forward. Those are point related benefits. Now, there is a major exception. RARP at 11 months. It is not a benefit tied to the type of points you have available. With a RARP it is related to your VIP status, not to points. That said any points will work which means deposit forward points work first along with resale points and CWA points. By using RARPs rather than CWA-ARP you assure being able to move 100% of your use year points. The RARP does make it more than math as it is your choice as to what bucket you choose the use, doesn't it?

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[capital city]

I wish you would stop saying that. It is not true!

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How is it not true?

 

[raygo123]

How is it not true?

For ARP only use year points can be used. No others. That's the way it has been and will be.

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[capital city]

For ARP only use year points can be used. No others. That's the way it has been and will be.

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What proof do you have that your right? Everyone else seems to think your wrong including me and I dont know why you keep bringing up Rarp, what % of people do you think actually use that?

 

[raygo123]

What proof do you have that your right? Everyone else seems to think your wrong including me and I dont know why you keep bringing up Rarp, what % of people do you think actually use that?

Simple I called Wyndham. I suggest you do the same. This isn't d
Facebook. Those who come here want the right answer.

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[tschwa2]

Simple I called Wyndham. I suggest you do the same. This isn't d
Facebook. Those who come here want the right answer.

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Agents give out incorrect information all the time. If you want a correct answer, you have a better chance to get it in writing but even that doesn't guarantee that the agent is giving correct information. I know I have had many agents say there are no buckets. I have had many parking pass people say it isn't a sales meeting. Hmm. Lies, incorrect information from a wyndham employee. What never you say?

I would rather at this point take some antidotal data, the more the better.

Has anyone used all their ARP, had points moved into that year and then either were able or not able to move points into the next year or deposited into rci or book club pass or something else that shouldn't be allowed having used all the regular annual points?

 

[raygo123]

Yes there are cases where owners could not deposit forward points even though the amount was below allocated use year points.

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[Sandy VDH]

Simple I called Wyndham. I suggest you do the same. This isn't d
Facebook. Those who come here want the right answer.

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I would not be taking the word of the person who answers the call as how the system works. It may be how they think it works but it does not prove that is ACTUALLY HOW IT IS WORKING.

I know that it test the limits on making a reservation during ARP. It is checking 1) what your ARP limit is and 2) do you want the points. I do not think it is testing that those points are actually ONLY from your one ARP eligible contract.

Don't tell me that someone told you, TEST it. It may be a good time for a regular member to test it. You are coming up on the Mar 31 to deposit into next year date. As a VIPP I have NO reason to deposit points into 2021 right now.

So is there anybody out there who can test this.

You need to have the following conditions.
1) you need to have saved some 2020 points into 2021 already.
2) you need to have points available to ARP up to your contract amount.
3) you then need to ARP your ENTIRE (added emphasis since some readers missed this) contract amount.
4) you need to then check how many 2021 points THE SYSTEM is showing you can deposit into either 2022 or 2023. (Can you even do this now, what is the window for saving points?? If not set all the dates back by 1 year, and if you did all those things check the facts.)

Then Answer the question:
it is 0 or is it some other points value. It if is anything other than 0, then the system is point blind. It is 0, then it is keeping track of saved points.

 

[Sandy VDH]

Yes there are cases where owners could not deposit forward points even though the amount was below allocated use year points.

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Do we know that this is the reason or was the points pool hangover impacting this? I don't know definitively. Does anyone, or is it just speculation.

I have a tendency to believe what the system does not what people think it does. But then again I am an IT person and a Business Analyst and TESTER.

 

[raygo123]

I would not be taking the word of the person who answers the call as how the system works. It may be how they think it works but it does not prove that is ACTUALLY HOW IT IS WORKING.

I know that it test the limits on making a reservation during ARP. It is checking 1) what your ARP limit is and 2) do you want the points. I do not think it is testing that those points are actually ONLY from your one ARP eligible contract.

Don't tell me that someone told you, TEST it. It may be a good time for a regular member to test it. You are coming up on the Mar 31 to deposit into next year date. As a VIPP I have NO reason to deposit points into 2021 right now.

So is there anybody out there who can test this.

You need to have the following conditions.
1) you need to have saved some 2020 points into 2021 already.
2) you need to have points available to ARP up to your contract amount.
3) you then need to ARP your entire contract amount.
4) you need to then check how many 2021 points THE SYSTEM is showing you can deposit into either 2022 or 2023. (Can you even do this now, what is the window for saving points?? If not set all the dates back by 1 year, and if you did all those things check the facts.)

Then Answer the question:
it is 0 or is it some other points value. It if is anything other than 0, then the system is point blind. It is 0, then it is keeping track of saved points.

It would be zero if all points were CWA and used for ARP. IF in the example of an owner with 154,000 points all CWA with 50,000 points deposit forward uses 100,000 points during ARP the most that owner could deposit forward would be 54,000 points even though he has 104,000 points left under hisntotal use year points. So, it is not all or none, I'm actually surprised that was your conclusion given the variables and the inability to actually test the system.

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