Points deposit / usage order

[CCdad]

With so many points being pushed forward, there's likely to massive oversupply next year resulting in a mad scramble to book reservations at 12 AM.

It might be best to use those points in the current use year if possible.

I agree only if your talking booking at 12am at the ten month booking window or at the 11 month RARP window (if there’s no summer beach or holiday block preventing the RARP booking).

Remember the Points Deposit will not impact an already high demand holiday or summer beach location ARP booking; or perhaps any ARP reservation demand if the programming is set up properly.


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[dgalati]

With so many points being pushed forward, there's likely to massive oversupply next year resulting in a mad scramble to book reservations at 12 AM.

It might be best to use those points in the current use year if possible.

I agree. The rental prices should reflect the over supply of points. Next year the cost to rent should be less then actual cost of maintenance fees. IMHO

 

[capital city]

I have 0 points right now so I cant test anything right now. I have 3 reservations coming up in May that may end up being cancelled. Originally they were CWA points that used for a Arp reservation but that shouldnt matter. If I have to cancel the hope is Wyndham will allow me to push until July 2020 use year even though I'm clearly pass the Sept 30th deadline to do so.

Then July 1st I will attempt to book a Panama City arp booking for june sometime that is nearly 12 months out. I own at Panama city but those points have been used. If I can it proves what I think I already have that points are blind for arp it only matters if you have used your allotment or not. I will then also attempt to deposit those same points forward to July 2021 use year even though those points are obviously the same points I just pushed forward since I currently have 0 points available for July 2020. If it will allow it then points are blind for points deposit feature as well which most of us believe to be true as long as you haven't already used your allotment.

I own Panama City 520,000
CWA 500,000
Royal Vista 269,000

 

[capital city]

Sorry I basically repeated what I said earlier but I'm honestly not sure what I'm being told i could test now. I obviously am seeing this differently than others

 

[raygo123]

I agree only if your talking booking at 12am at the ten month booking window or at the 11 month RARP window (if there’s no summer beach or holiday block preventing the RARP booking).

Remember the Points Deposit will not impact an already high demand holiday or summer beach location ARP booking; or perhaps any ARP reservation demand if the programming is set up properly.


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There is a block in place for Myrtle Beach during summer months.

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[raygo123]

I agree. The rental prices should reflect the over supply of points. Next year the cost to rent should be less then actual cost of maintenance fees. IMHO

Except for the pent up demand from this year.

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[raygo123]

Sorry I basically repeated what I said earlier but I'm honestly not sure what I'm being told i could test now. I obviously am seeing this differently than others

I can see that. It does matter that you have zero points. Some of the points you get back would have to deposit forward points. It doesn't sound like it will be since you used all your points during the ARP WINDOW. What we are looking to see is if you had a combination of points deposit forward and use year, , and the belief is that no matter what kind of points, use year or deposit forward, will all your remaining points deposit forward, or will you loose them use them. The question is, does it matter what kind of points they are as long as you don't exceed your total use year points or it matters and Wyndham subtracts your use year points when used for ARP thus reducing the number of points that can be deposited.

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[capital city]

I'm sorry can someone tell me if were on the same page, is Raygo using common core and I'm using the old school basic approach?

 

[raygo123]

I'm sorry can someone tell me if were on the same page but Raygo is using common core and I'm using the old school basic approach?

For your 2019 use year do you have any deposit forward points?

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[capital city]

I have 0 points for 2019 and 0 points for 2020 right now. If I have to cancel May reservations I'm hoping Wyndham will allow me deposit those points forward to July 2020

 

[spackler]

Really hope Wyndham changes the 3/31 deadline (for us lowly non-VIP folks) for depositing points into 2021. Everything is just a big question mark at this point.

 

[raygo123]

Really hope Wyndham changes the 3/31 deadline (for us lowly non-VIP folks) for depositing points into 2021. Everything is just a big question mark at this point.

The answer to this question affect the"lowly non-VIP" owners to a larger degree than the million point Platium owner. If you are saving up to take that big family vacation, you have a greater chance of loosing some or most of those points if you planned a get away and book half your points under ARP move the other half forward with the thought of booking half under ARP NEXT YEAR AND MOVING ALL YOUR POINTS FORWARD THE FOLLOWING YEAR. For that great family vacation only to find out you cannot move forward any of those points.

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[Braindead]

Really hope Wyndham changes the 3/31 deadline (for us lowly non-VIP folks) for depositing points into 2021. Everything is just a big question mark at this point.

I would deposit the points to 2021 or 2022. My thinking is odds are you’ll be able to get what you want at 90 days for the remainder of 2020.
Deposit & plan on borrowing from 2021 for now

 

[Braindead]

I will add a lot of your decision depends on your willingness to travel.
It‘s a very high probably that all resorts will be open from June 1st on.

 

[paxsarah]

The answer to this question affect the"lowly non-VIP" owners to a larger degree than the million point Platium owner. If you are saving up to take that big family vacation, you have a greater chance of loosing some or most of those points if you planned a get away and book half your points under ARP move the other half forward with the thought of booking half under ARP NEXT YEAR AND MOVING ALL YOUR POINTS FORWARD THE FOLLOWING YEAR. For that great family vacation only to find out you cannot move forward any of those points.

That's a good point. Fortunately, I'm not currently planning to use ARP in 2021 and I have about 50% more points in 2021 than I'll probably deposit from 2020, so even if I simply recreate our June 2020 plans for June 2021 (non-ARP), I can deposit anything I don't use in 2021 to 2022. But the point about depositing a large number of points while also using ARP (which can only come from the UY allocation) is a good one.

 

[OutSkiing]

I agree. The rental prices should reflect the over supply of points. Next year the cost to rent should be less then actual cost of maintenance fees. IMHO

I believe that is backwards.

Next year the over supply of points will cause excess DEMAND for the units. Same supply + higher demand = price goes up (if available at all).

Bob

 

[Cyrus24]

I believe that is backwards.

Next year the over supply of points will cause excess DEMAND for the units. Same supply + higher demand = price goes up (if available at all).

Bob

I agree with your assessment. The average owner will be wanting to TRAVEL on those points as soon as we get to where we can travel, again. As well, those who run a business renting points will not be getting upgrades at prime time in prime locations. Rental rates will go up.

 

[raygo123]

That's a good point. Fortunately, I'm not currently planning to use ARP in 2021 and I have about 50% more points in 2021 than I'll probably deposit from 2020, so even if I simply recreate our June 2020 plans for June 2021 (non-ARP), I can deposit anything I don't use in 2021 to 2022. But the point about depositing a large number of points while also using ARP (which can only come from the UY allocation) is a good one.

I don't know if you're VIP GOLD i use RARPs alot. Example I booked two weeks at 13 months in Florida for next year. Then at 11 months I booked it and cancelled the other. What that does is uses my deposit forward points first. That was important because I get back my use year points.p as it doesn't matter what kind of points they are it will takes deposited points because they expire first. At 60 days it starts all over again.

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[paxsarah]

I don't know if you're VIP GOLD

Just a lowly non-VIP.

 

[raygo123]

Just a lowly non-VIP.

No no it works for the peasant as well. Simple. You.use ARP AT 13 months then again at 10 months. That way it guantees your deposit forward points are used first.

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[Braindead]

No no it works for the peasant as well. Simple. You.use ARP AT 13 months then again at 10 months. That way it guantees your deposit forward points are used first.

On behalf of all the rest of us, I’d wave the white flag emoji but I don’t have one. Please think I’m waving the white flag for all

 

[dgalati]

Just a lowly non-VIP.

I hope all resale?

 

[dgalati]

I agree with your assessment. The average owner will be wanting to TRAVEL on those points as soon as we get to where we can travel, again. As well, those who run a business renting points will not be getting upgrades at prime time in prime locations. Rental rates will go up.

Thats if we are not in a full recession. Then its a whole different ball game.

 

[dgalati]

I believe that is backwards.

Next year the over supply of points will cause excess DEMAND for the units. Same supply + higher demand = price goes up (if available at all).

Bob

Many VIP owners need to rent to offset the burden of paying maintenance fees. It will be very difficult to rent vacations to people just trying to buy groceries and pay utilities. I get what you are saying but only in a good economy that will apply. IMHO

 

[paxsarah]

No no it works for the peasant as well. Simple. You.use ARP AT 13 months then again at 10 months. That way it guantees your deposit forward points are used first.

That only works if you didn’t actually need ARP in the first place, then, but just for peace of mind. If you get to 10 months (or your 11 months with RARP) and it’s not available, then you’re still stuck figuring out what to do with deposited points that year.

I hope all resale?

Absolutely!